i think big vladdy is an obvious #1 at HW,

but i feel if ibragimov KO's peter, he should be # 2

i also believe the winner of timor - brock should be top 10

i think toney should be dropped

if toney gets himself in shape i think he has a chance against anyone.the problem he has is that he thinks he knows everything so he does'nt bother to run or do much gym work for fights,he only spars

Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

i think big vladdy is an obvious #1 at HW,

but i feel if ibragimov KO's peter, he should be # 2

i also believe the winner of timor - brock should be top 10

i think toney should be dropped

Gotta disagree.

Yes I think that Wlad should be #1...but all of the other names above are not a factor...even if they do pull off upsets.

I think that the old crew should be culled out...by that I mean Ruiz, Rahman, Brewster, Lya, Valuev, Toney, Johnson, & the rest of those stains.

Then Wlad can be #1 & start wasting those other chumps.

He could clean out the division.

Originally Posted by leon9996

if toney gets himself in shape i think he has a chance against anyone.the problem he has is that he thinks he knows everything so he does'nt bother to run or do much gym work for fights,he only spars

Worst thing to ever happen to heavyweight boxing...who can take Toney seriously after the way he comes into fights lately.

Flush his bloated ass.

well if ibragimove beats peter then another top 15 guy hes gotta gain some recognition through that

Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

i think big vladdy is an obvious #1 at HW,

but i feel if ibragimov KO's peter, he should be # 2

i also believe the winner of timor - brock should be top 10

i think toney should be dropped

I'll roll with that....Toney is good at beating the lower tier HW's but avoids the big 5-10 like the plague....

Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

i think big vladdy is an obvious #1 at HW,

but i feel if ibragimov KO's peter, he should be # 2

i also believe the winner of timor - brock should be top 10

i think toney should be dropped

What?? Brock gets ko'd then beats a guy who's done nothing and he should move up in top 10 past Toney who in most peoples opinions beat 3 solid guys in the top ten in Ruiz/rahman/peters?? 90% of ringside observers had Towney winning the peters fight yet you think he should be dropped.. but if igbragimov beats him you think he should move to #2? sorry my esteemed friend and colleague i don't get it.

Originally Posted by landmine950

Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

i think big vladdy is an obvious #1 at HW,

but i feel if ibragimov KO's peter, he should be # 2

i also believe the winner of timor - brock should be top 10

i think toney should be dropped

What?? Brock gets ko'd then beats a guy who's done nothing and he should move up in top 10 past Toney who in most peoples opinions beat 3 solid guys in the top ten in Ruiz/rahman/peters?? 90% of ringside observers had Towney winning the peters fight yet you think he should be dropped.. but if igbragimov beats him you think he should move to #2? sorry my esteemed friend and colleague i don't get it.

this was posted long before brock got KOd, it was the fight before he fought big vladdy that i was referring to

Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

well if ibragimove beats peter then another top 15 guy hes gotta gain some recognition through that

Ibragomove is sloppy technically. I was not that impressed with his last outing. all heeey makers and no balance. just a sloppy division in general .

1. Wlad
2a. Peter
2b. Toney
4. Valuev

It's too bad Toney isn't 6 or 7 years younger. He's forgotten more about boxing than every other active heavyweight knows combined.

1.) Wlad
2.) Peter
3.) Toney
4.)Valuev
5.) Maskaev
6.) Liakhovich
7.) Ibrigmanov, Sultan
8.) Rahman
9.) Ruiz
10.) B-Hop just on potential

#1 Wladimir Klitschko ( IBF Champ)
#2 Samuel Peter
#3 James Toney
#4 Evander Holyfield
#5 David Tua
#6 Oleg Maskaev (WBC Champ)
#7 Chazz Witherspoon
#8 Nikolay Valuev ( WBA Champion)
#9 Ruslan Chagaev
#10 Ray Austin
#11 Chris Arreola

Let's be honest here the list looks like this basically

1. Wlad
2. An in shape james toney
3. Peter
4. Some american guy
5. Holyfield in another fight or two
6. Guy from who knows where that beat what's his name
7. yawn
8. blah
9. zzz
10. Some huge russian guy

Originally Posted by THE Bigragu

Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

i think big vladdy is an obvious #1 at HW,

but i feel if ibragimov KO's peter, he should be # 2

i also believe the winner of timor - brock should be top 10

i think toney should be dropped

I'll roll with that....Toney is good at beating the lower tier HW's but avoids the big 5-10 like the plague....

i think toney is gonna surprise a lot of people in this next fight with Shrek Peter. i hear he has finally gotten himself in good shape. i look for him to beat Shrek and get a title shot here soon against someone in the top 5. who knows though? toney is famous for lack of discipline.

Originally Posted by leon9996

if toney gets himself in shape i think he has a chance against anyone.the problem he has is that he thinks he knows everything so he does'nt bother to run or do much gym work for fights,he only spars

that is the biggest "IF" I have seen in a LONG time!!! He doesn't have that extra burst anymore....Wlad at #1....I really don't see anyone that stands out as a legit #2..Borck at #10 only because the HW division is sooooo poor now!!!

Heavyweights are not just that exciting anymore.