Thread: Is Marvin Hagler's Legacy Tarnished For The Way He Left The Sport??

Guys and Gals, IMO I feel Marvin even though he had an Illustrious and great career I always remember him for being a Baby Just cause Leonard didnt give him the rematch!!!! I feel for all the rough and ruggedness of Marvin coupled with being so Vain that he legally changed his name to "Marvelous Marvin" that it wuz no marvelous way he left the sport I lost alot of respect for him and feel is legacy is a tad bit tarnished...

No, he was not.

He was cheated against Leonard - there is no way Leonard won that fight.

He retired after umpteen defences, a legend of the ring, he really was 'marvelous' (just a shame he could not spell it properly) and never tainted himself by coming back.

Good luck to him.

I think he was older than 33, wasn't he??

Originally Posted by X

No, he was not.

He was cheated against Leonard - there is no way Leonard won that fight.

He retired after umpteen defences, a legend of the ring, he really was 'marvelous' (just a shame he could not spell it properly) and never tainted himself by coming back.

Good luck to him.

I think he was older than 33, wasn't he??

Nope born in 1954 retired in 1987

Originally Posted by jtrock

Guys and Gals, IMO I feel Marvin even though he had an Illustrious and great career I always remember him for being a Baby Just cause Leonard didnt give him the rematch!!!! I feel for all the rough and ruggedness of Marvin coupled with being so Vain that he legally changed his name to "Marvelous Marvin" that it wuz no marvelous way he left the sport I lost alot of respect for him...

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Originally Posted by Samson3000

Originally Posted by jtrock

Guys and Gals, IMO I feel Marvin even though he had an Illustrious and great career I always remember him for being a Baby Just cause Leonard didnt give him the rematch!!!! I feel for all the rough and ruggedness of Marvin coupled with being so Vain that he legally changed his name to "Marvelous Marvin" that it wuz no marvelous way he left the sport I lost alot of respect for him...

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Well this is a discussion board and a big ol sad click back to you to I liked Marvin alot but I think he could of gone out a little bit better than that

Maybe the Goddamn duplicate Thread I started is worded better for you if anything I should of gotten a sad click for technical diffuculties(computer problem)

Sugar Ray Leonard would've beat Hagler in a rematch and Hagler knew he couldn't beat him and that's the reason why he retired. He looked so slow against Leonard, it was embarrassing.

Originally Posted by eugepang

Sugar Ray Leonard would've beat Hagler in a rematch and Hagler knew he couldn't beat him and that's the reason why he retired. He looked so slow against Leonard, it was embarrassing.

Sorry, I don't agree.

Leonard's whole game plan was predicated on fooling the judges into seeing a prime Leonard who was long gone, he did this by posing and showboating and by tossing in eye-catching flurries at the end of the rounds. It was a natural progression from the tactice that he used to beat Duran, and for sheer nerve, I think it stands up there with Ali's rope-a-dope against Foreman.

BUT - I don't think that an objective viewing of the fight justifies the decision (look at Collazo/Hatton where aggression really seemed to count).

Moreover, if it had been a 15 round fight, Leonard would have been stopped (and he admitted it himself). It was a great con trick and Leonard would have given Hagler a rematch about as much as Ali would have given Foreman one!!!

How could his record be tarnished? He's an all-time great. One of the best 160 fighters ever.

However, he didn't get robbed v. Leonard. His problem was the same that Hopkins had in the first Taylor loss. He started fighting too late. Hagler practically gave away the first 4 rds to the crowd pleasing Leonard, and I felt the last 8 rds they split. He deserved to lose.

And he did congratulate Leonard afterwards, although he was extremely unhappy doing it.

Originally Posted by Mr. Nightmare

How could his record be tarnished? He's an all-time great. One of the best 160 fighters ever.

However, he didn't get robbed v. Leonard. His problem was the same that Hopkins had in the first Taylor loss. He started fighting too late. Hagler practically gave away the first 4 rds to the crowd pleasing Leonard, and I felt the last 8 rds they split. He deserved to lose.

And he did congratulate Leonard afterwards, although he was extremely unhappy doing it.

My point being that since Ray refused to give him a rematch he threw up his hands and said screw it I'm done....

Marvin had 66 fights going into the Leonard fight. I honestly think even if he won he would have retired. He had a long career and it wasnt cut short. Unfortunately most of the greats retired on a loss.

Originally Posted by BoomBoom

Marvin had 66 fights going into the Leonard fight. I honestly think even if he won he would have retired. He had a long career and it wasnt cut short. Unfortunately most of the greats retired on a loss.

Very well said....can't click you for another 24 hours....but I agree 100% with your post.

Also...nothing about Hagler was whining IWO.

I woulda been p!ssed off too that Leonard didn't give me a rematch...then again...I don't like Leonard. He's a prick IWO. Great fighter...total pre-maddona.

I think Leonard won that fight just. I think if it went Marvins way then it would have been more harsh on Leonard.

I think haglers legend would have been more tarnished had he comeback. The fact that unlike most fighters he stayed retired will stand him in good stead for his legacy. I think he lost the fight to Leonard but was not beaten out of sight. This was at a time when he was on the slide.

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Originally Posted by BoomBoom

Marvin had 66 fights going into the Leonard fight. I honestly think even if he won he would have retired. He had a long career and it wasnt cut short. Unfortunately most of the greats retired on a loss.

Very well said....can't click you for another 24 hours....but I agree 100% with your post.

Also...nothing about Hagler was whining IWO.

I woulda been p!ssed off too that Leonard didn't give me a rematch...then again...I don't like Leonard. He's a prick IWO. Great fighter...total pre-maddona.

Hee hee! Pre-maddona! It's prima donna, meaning 'first lady' in italian. And here come the "sad clicks"...