Thread: Peter Manfredo is the MAN!!!!

Not as bad as Lawhoops

Peter got rocked in rd1, but anybody would get rocked if Spina caught them with a lucky one. I was impressed by the way he shook it off, made adjustments, and proceded to absolutely humiliate Spina. I'm not convinced that Manfredo is top 10, but I gotta root for him. He's got skills, and as people pointed out already, it seems like he as more pop at 168. I thought he won both Mora fights anyway. Let Mora come to Providence and see what happens.

i think calzaghe would beat manfredo but i wont denie it. manfredo is good

peter is extremely popular in Providence and RI. you bring almost anyone here and Peter stands a good chance.

Originally Posted by SeanE

Peter got rocked in rd1, but anybody would get rocked if Spina caught them with a lucky one. I was impressed by the way he shook it off, made adjustments, and proceded to absolutely humiliate Spina. I'm not convinced that Manfredo is top 10, but I gotta root for him. He's got skills, and as people pointed out already, it seems like he as more pop at 168. I thought he won both Mora fights anyway. Let Mora come to Providence and see what happens.

How can you possibly think Manfredo won the first fight with Mora, he lost damn near every round, it was practically a clinic.

The rematch was much closer but again I felt Mora just about deserved to hold onto his belt, although it could have gone either way to be fair.

The point is Manfredo got all the chances in the world to get where he was. Lost in the first round, to a complete unknown in the first episode of the Contender, no problem, just bring him back a couple episodes later and give him another chance.

The fight with Espino was really close, even the allowing for the biased editing it looked like Miguel had beaten Peter but the judges gave him the fight anyway.

Then he scrapes past Joey gilbert a complete amatuer with around 8 pro fights at the time.

Then he gets his second chance at Alfonso, which he wins......just!

Then he gets beat down by Mora in the final so the Contender people decide,

'You know what Peter, that first fight with Mora, it wasn't even competative but we are going to give you a rematch anyway because we are in the habit of giving you extra chances. We also like your family, your little daughter is adorable and besides you are quite goofy looking and strike a kind of sympathetic resonance with our target audience, especially housewives and grandma's who just go 'Ahhh isn't he a little sweety', whenever you fight. So you can fight Mora again. To hell with Gomez, he may be more deserving of a fight with Mora having already beaten you and finished in third place. But it's the fight fans who appreciate him, he hasn't got a daughter and he's good looking and confident so grandma's don't go 'Ahhh' when they see him so he can fight Jesse Feliciano in the rubber match and you can have another go at Sergio.'

I really wouldn't mind any of this is Peter didn't go around running his mouth off how he is the real Contender champion.

Nope Mora rates above you, Ishe Smith rates above you, Alfonso Gomez, Joey Gilbert and Miguel Espino are on a par with you.

Juan De La Rosa will be better than you within a couple years too.

Spina is not top 10 at all he's not even top 100 and there's less then 100

Originally Posted by bilbo

Originally Posted by SeanE

Peter got rocked in rd1, but anybody would get rocked if Spina caught them with a lucky one. I was impressed by the way he shook it off, made adjustments, and proceded to absolutely humiliate Spina. I'm not convinced that Manfredo is top 10, but I gotta root for him. He's got skills, and as people pointed out already, it seems like he as more pop at 168. I thought he won both Mora fights anyway. Let Mora come to Providence and see what happens.

How can you possibly think Manfredo won the first fight with Mora, he lost damn near every round, it was practically a clinic.

The rematch was much closer but again I felt Mora just about deserved to hold onto his belt, although it could have gone either way to be fair.

The point is Manfredo got all the chances in the world to get where he was. Lost in the first round, to a complete unknown in the first episode of the Contender, no problem, just bring him back a couple episodes later and give him another chance.

The fight with Espino was really close, even the allowing for the biased editing it looked like Miguel had beaten Peter but the judges gave him the fight anyway.

Then he scrapes past Joey gilbert a complete amatuer with around 8 pro fights at the time.

Then he gets his second chance at Alfonso, which he wins......just!

Then he gets beat down by Mora in the final so the Contender people decide,

'You know what Peter, that first fight with Mora, it wasn't even competative but we are going to give you a rematch anyway because we are in the habit of giving you extra chances. We also like your family, your little daughter is adorable and besides you are quite goofy looking and strike a kind of sympathetic resonance with our target audience, especially housewives and grandma's who just go 'Ahhh isn't he a little sweety', whenever you fight. So you can fight Mora again. To hell with Gomez, he may be more deserving of a fight with Mora having already beaten you and finished in third place. But it's the fight fans who appreciate him, he hasn't got a daughter and he's good looking and confident so grandma's don't go 'Ahhh' when they see him so he can fight Jesse Feliciano in the rubber match and you can have another go at Sergio.'

I really wouldn't mind any of this is Peter didn't go around running his mouth off how he is the real Contender champion.

Nope Mora rates above you, Ishe Smith rates above you, Alfonso Gomez, Joey Gilbert and Miguel Espino are on a par with you.

Juan De La Rosa will be better than you within a couple years too.

Well said Bilbo.

I am going to cool click you for an entire 7 days starting today.

I could not have said this any better.

This is what angers me the most, these turds run around saying Peter won the first fight. How on earth were they ever going to admit that Sergio won the second fight? They did not see the first fight as a win for Mora who totally dominated Peter. Even Stevie Wonder gave every round to Sergio in that first fight. Then Peter improves from a F to a C in the second fight and they expect Peter to get the decision? Peter still did not do enough to win that fight and that is all there is to it.

I will however give Peter some props for improving. Both Sergio and Peter need to face some better caliber fighters to prove they belong.

Peace.

Originally Posted by bilbo

Originally Posted by SeanE

Peter got rocked in rd1, but anybody would get rocked if Spina caught them with a lucky one. I was impressed by the way he shook it off, made adjustments, and proceded to absolutely humiliate Spina. I'm not convinced that Manfredo is top 10, but I gotta root for him. He's got skills, and as people pointed out already, it seems like he as more pop at 168. I thought he won both Mora fights anyway. Let Mora come to Providence and see what happens.

How can you possibly think Manfredo won the first fight with Mora, he lost damn near every round, it was practically a clinic.

The rematch was much closer but again I felt Mora just about deserved to hold onto his belt, although it could have gone either way to be fair.

The point is Manfredo got all the chances in the world to get where he was. Lost in the first round, to a complete unknown in the first episode of the Contender, no problem, just bring him back a couple episodes later and give him another chance.

The fight with Espino was really close, even the allowing for the biased editing it looked like Miguel had beaten Peter but the judges gave him the fight anyway.

Then he scrapes past Joey gilbert a complete amatuer with around 8 pro fights at the time.

Then he gets his second chance at Alfonso, which he wins......just!

Then he gets beat down by Mora in the final so the Contender people decide,

'You know what Peter, that first fight with Mora, it wasn't even competative but we are going to give you a rematch anyway because we are in the habit of giving you extra chances. We also like your family, your little daughter is adorable and besides you are quite goofy looking and strike a kind of sympathetic resonance with our target audience, especially housewives and grandma's who just go 'Ahhh isn't he a little sweety', whenever you fight. So you can fight Mora again. To hell with Gomez, he may be more deserving of a fight with Mora having already beaten you and finished in third place. But it's the fight fans who appreciate him, he hasn't got a daughter and he's good looking and confident so grandma's don't go 'Ahhh' when they see him so he can fight Jesse Feliciano in the rubber match and you can have another go at Sergio.'

I really wouldn't mind any of this is Peter didn't go around running his mouth off how he is the real Contender champion.

Nope Mora rates above you, Ishe Smith rates above you, Alfonso Gomez, Joey Gilbert and Miguel Espino are on a par with you.

Juan De La Rosa will be better than you within a couple years too.

That's a just bull...you obvously don't like him and you are blinded by that fact. I guess you score rounds based on aggression as opposed to actual punches landed. OK. Let's say Mora one the first fight...he did not win every round. I would need to rewatch and rescore it, but you are cleary being incediary and overly dramatic to say Stevie Wonder would score it for Mora.

As for the second fight, I just flat out disagree. I wasn't a big Manfredo fan until that fight. In fact, I watched the second fight BEFORE I saw the first the first. I caught that one later. I was completely shocked by the decision, until I remembered it was in LA. I just don't see how anyone can't see it as a hometown decision. Mora was certainly more aggressive, but he didn't land. Manfredo waited for his spots and scored. Mora was bouncing punching off his elbows and arms. I guess if you credit him for those points, it's Mora's fight.

What Bilbo said

"'You know what Peter, that first fight with Mora, it wasn't even competative but we are going to give you a rematch anyway because we are in the habit of giving you extra chances. We also like your family, your little daughter is adorable and besides you are quite goofy looking and strike a kind of sympathetic resonance with our target audience, especially housewives and grandma's who just go 'Ahhh isn't he a little sweety', whenever you fight. So you can fight Mora again. To hell with Gomez, he may be more deserving of a fight with Mora having already beaten you and finished in third place. But it's the fight fans who appreciate him, he hasn't got a daughter and he's good looking and confident so grandma's don't go 'Ahhh' when they see him so he can fight Jesse Feliciano in the rubber match and you can have another go at Sergio.'"

IS why I don't like Manfredo, it's like he's being forced down out throats.

I thought Manfredo lost both Mora fights, I guess that makes me a Manfredo hater? Eventhough I said he would knock out the Sandman(who had his sleeping pills even before the Lacy fight) Manfredo should fight Omar Sheika next then. And see if he wins against someone who is actually ranked.

Originally Posted by SeanE

Originally Posted by bilbo

Originally Posted by SeanE

Peter got rocked in rd1, but anybody would get rocked if Spina caught them with a lucky one. I was impressed by the way he shook it off, made adjustments, and proceded to absolutely humiliate Spina. I'm not convinced that Manfredo is top 10, but I gotta root for him. He's got skills, and as people pointed out already, it seems like he as more pop at 168. I thought he won both Mora fights anyway. Let Mora come to Providence and see what happens.

How can you possibly think Manfredo won the first fight with Mora, he lost damn near every round, it was practically a clinic.

The rematch was much closer but again I felt Mora just about deserved to hold onto his belt, although it could have gone either way to be fair.

The point is Manfredo got all the chances in the world to get where he was. Lost in the first round, to a complete unknown in the first episode of the Contender, no problem, just bring him back a couple episodes later and give him another chance.

The fight with Espino was really close, even the allowing for the biased editing it looked like Miguel had beaten Peter but the judges gave him the fight anyway.

Then he scrapes past Joey gilbert a complete amatuer with around 8 pro fights at the time.

Then he gets his second chance at Alfonso, which he wins......just!

Then he gets beat down by Mora in the final so the Contender people decide,

'You know what Peter, that first fight with Mora, it wasn't even competative but we are going to give you a rematch anyway because we are in the habit of giving you extra chances. We also like your family, your little daughter is adorable and besides you are quite goofy looking and strike a kind of sympathetic resonance with our target audience, especially housewives and grandma's who just go 'Ahhh isn't he a little sweety', whenever you fight. So you can fight Mora again. To hell with Gomez, he may be more deserving of a fight with Mora having already beaten you and finished in third place. But it's the fight fans who appreciate him, he hasn't got a daughter and he's good looking and confident so grandma's don't go 'Ahhh' when they see him so he can fight Jesse Feliciano in the rubber match and you can have another go at Sergio.'

I really wouldn't mind any of this is Peter didn't go around running his mouth off how he is the real Contender champion.

Nope Mora rates above you, Ishe Smith rates above you, Alfonso Gomez, Joey Gilbert and Miguel Espino are on a par with you.

Juan De La Rosa will be better than you within a couple years too.

That's a just bull...you obvously don't like him and you are blinded by that fact. I guess you score rounds based on aggression as opposed to actual punches landed. OK. Let's say Mora one the first fight...he did not win every round. I would need to rewatch and rescore it, but you are cleary being incediary and overly dramatic to say Stevie Wonder would score it for Mora.

As for the second fight, I just flat out disagree. I wasn't a big Manfredo fan until that fight. In fact, I watched the second fight BEFORE I saw the first the first. I caught that one later. I was completely shocked by the decision, until I remembered it was in LA. I just don't see how anyone can't see it as a hometown decision. Mora was certainly more aggressive, but he didn't land. Manfredo waited for his spots and scored. Mora was bouncing punching off his elbows and arms. I guess if you credit him for those points, it's Mora's fight.

Actually I completely agree with you regarding effective aggression but it was Manfredo who just stumbled blindly forward in the first fight whilst Sergio tore him up on the inside.

The second fight was much closer, but only due to the fact that Sergio suffered an horrific cut over his eye caused by a headbutt. The butt was completely accidental but if you watch the the slow motion you can see exactly when it happens. Mora immediately paws at it and blood starts poring.

Given those circumstances Sergio struggled for a couple of rounds to regain his composure. I believe it was the third round where he slips and Manfredo lifts up his arms thinking he's hurt Mora only for Mora to smile and come right back at him.

I know it's easy for inexperienced fans to judge the blood and Manfredo's reaction to Mora slipping but neither of these factors score points. From about the 4th or 5th round on Sergio was back in the fight, landing the more effective shots and throwing some lovely combinations.

Manfredo, despite having such a dream start proved again unable to capitalise and couldn't take Sergio when he was at his weakest.

The two probably won't meet again but if they ever do, even if it's in Providence at 168 lb I still see Sergio getting the win.

Manfredo is a decent fighter, but who is completely unable to adapt to changing circumstances in the ring, Sergio is a far better boxer, faster, throws more, and most importantly of all is a smart fighter. He doesn't have much of a punch but he makes up for it in other areas.

Mark my words, you may think Manfredo is doing great now, but once he goes in with another great boxer, someone who takes away his gameplan he will lose, coming out round after round trying the exact same tactics each round getting nowhere before being broken down and dismantled.

He's a good fighter, probably fringe top 10 but he's not winning any world titles whilst Calzaghe and Kessler are around.

Originally Posted by Majesty

What Bilbo said

"'You know what Peter, that first fight with Mora, it wasn't even competative but we are going to give you a rematch anyway because we are in the habit of giving you extra chances. We also like your family, your little daughter is adorable and besides you are quite goofy looking and strike a kind of sympathetic resonance with our target audience, especially housewives and grandma's who just go 'Ahhh isn't he a little sweety', whenever you fight. So you can fight Mora again. To hell with Gomez, he may be more deserving of a fight with Mora having already beaten you and finished in third place. But it's the fight fans who appreciate him, he hasn't got a daughter and he's good looking and confident so grandma's don't go 'Ahhh' when they see him so he can fight Jesse Feliciano in the rubber match and you can have another go at Sergio.'"

IS why I don't like Manfredo, it's like he's being forced down out throats.

I thought Manfredo lost both Mora fights, I guess that makes me a Manfredo hater? Eventhough I said he would knock out the Sandman(who had his sleeping pills even before the Lacy fight) Manfredo should fight Omar Sheika next then. And see if he wins against someone who is actually ranked.

Nice to see a few people agree with me and to you Danny G

It's not that I don't like Peter I just feel and obviously am not alone in this that there were other Contenders on the show who showed just as much potential as Manfredo. Unfortunately because Peter fitted so well the kind of family orientated kid the Contender people needed to reach their target demographics he was promoted way above the others.

I'm not saying his return to the show was rigged, I'm not saying his many controversial wins on the show were fixed either, but I do feel that the Contender marketing people recognised that with Peter Manfredo they had a product that could target as many of the demographic audience as possible. Remember they wanted this show to be family orientated and by far he was the best example, trained by an over domineering dad, a young wife, his cute little daughter. Plus the fact he looked the least like a fighter and was softly spoken he was marketing dream.

Personally he didn't deserve a rematch with Mora, just like he didn't deserve a second chance on the show anyway. Alfonso should have got a shot at Mora but as I said Alfonso only targets the fight fan audience, not the fightfans girlfriends and mums.

I gave Spina the first round. After that, all he did was eat Manfredo's straight right hands. Spina is just to wide in his punches and keeps his hands down to far. And never laugh and tell the other fighter to hit you harder after eating a hard right. Any fighter who does that is a moron. You are on your last legs when you do that. Come on hit me!

first fight sergio won 2nd fight i feel manfredo won and believe me im not a an of any of them

Originally Posted by bilbo

Originally Posted by SeanE

Originally Posted by bilbo

Originally Posted by SeanE

Peter got rocked in rd1, but anybody would get rocked if Spina caught them with a lucky one. I was impressed by the way he shook it off, made adjustments, and proceded to absolutely humiliate Spina. I'm not convinced that Manfredo is top 10, but I gotta root for him. He's got skills, and as people pointed out already, it seems like he as more pop at 168. I thought he won both Mora fights anyway. Let Mora come to Providence and see what happens.

How can you possibly think Manfredo won the first fight with Mora, he lost damn near every round, it was practically a clinic.

The rematch was much closer but again I felt Mora just about deserved to hold onto his belt, although it could have gone either way to be fair.

The point is Manfredo got all the chances in the world to get where he was. Lost in the first round, to a complete unknown in the first episode of the Contender, no problem, just bring him back a couple episodes later and give him another chance.

The fight with Espino was really close, even the allowing for the biased editing it looked like Miguel had beaten Peter but the judges gave him the fight anyway.

Then he scrapes past Joey gilbert a complete amatuer with around 8 pro fights at the time.

Then he gets his second chance at Alfonso, which he wins......just!

Then he gets beat down by Mora in the final so the Contender people decide,

'You know what Peter, that first fight with Mora, it wasn't even competative but we are going to give you a rematch anyway because we are in the habit of giving you extra chances. We also like your family, your little daughter is adorable and besides you are quite goofy looking and strike a kind of sympathetic resonance with our target audience, especially housewives and grandma's who just go 'Ahhh isn't he a little sweety', whenever you fight. So you can fight Mora again. To hell with Gomez, he may be more deserving of a fight with Mora having already beaten you and finished in third place. But it's the fight fans who appreciate him, he hasn't got a daughter and he's good looking and confident so grandma's don't go 'Ahhh' when they see him so he can fight Jesse Feliciano in the rubber match and you can have another go at Sergio.'

I really wouldn't mind any of this is Peter didn't go around running his mouth off how he is the real Contender champion.

Nope Mora rates above you, Ishe Smith rates above you, Alfonso Gomez, Joey Gilbert and Miguel Espino are on a par with you.

Juan De La Rosa will be better than you within a couple years too.

That's a just bull...you obvously don't like him and you are blinded by that fact. I guess you score rounds based on aggression as opposed to actual punches landed. OK. Let's say Mora one the first fight...he did not win every round. I would need to rewatch and rescore it, but you are cleary being incediary and overly dramatic to say Stevie Wonder would score it for Mora.

As for the second fight, I just flat out disagree. I wasn't a big Manfredo fan until that fight. In fact, I watched the second fight BEFORE I saw the first the first. I caught that one later. I was completely shocked by the decision, until I remembered it was in LA. I just don't see how anyone can't see it as a hometown decision. Mora was certainly more aggressive, but he didn't land. Manfredo waited for his spots and scored. Mora was bouncing punching off his elbows and arms. I guess if you credit him for those points, it's Mora's fight.

Actually I completely agree with you regarding effective aggression but it was Manfredo who just stumbled blindly forward in the first fight whilst Sergio tore him up on the inside.

The second fight was much closer, but only due to the fact that Sergio suffered an horrific cut over his eye caused by a headbutt. The butt was completely accidental but if you watch the the slow motion you can see exactly when it happens. Mora immediately paws at it and blood starts poring.

Given those circumstances Sergio struggled for a couple of rounds to regain his composure. I believe it was the third round where he slips and Manfredo lifts up his arms thinking he's hurt Mora only for Mora to smile and come right back at him.

I know it's easy for inexperienced fans to judge the blood and Manfredo's reaction to Mora slipping but neither of these factors score points. From about the 4th or 5th round on Sergio was back in the fight, landing the more effective shots and throwing some lovely combinations.

Manfredo, despite having such a dream start proved again unable to capitalise and couldn't take Sergio when he was at his weakest.

The two probably won't meet again but if they ever do, even if it's in Providence at 168 lb I still see Sergio getting the win.

Manfredo is a decent fighter, but who is completely unable to adapt to changing circumstances in the ring, Sergio is a far better boxer, faster, throws more, and most importantly of all is a smart fighter. He doesn't have much of a punch but he makes up for it in other areas.

Mark my words, you may think Manfredo is doing great now, but once he goes in with another great boxer, someone who takes away his gameplan he will lose, coming out round after round trying the exact same tactics each round getting nowhere before being broken down and dismantled.

He's a good fighter, probably fringe top 10 but he's not winning any world titles whilst Calzaghe and Kessler are around.

I agree that he's not in the same class as Kessler or Calzaghe. Absolutely.

I rewatched and rescored the first fight. Here's the problem scoring fights at times. Peter is a local guy, and I was pulling for him. This time I was trying to give rounds to Mora. I give Peter 2 rounds definately. There were two other rounds which were borderline. I'll give this to Mora - He has very good handspeed and he knows how to be flashy and steal rounds. He's a pretty smart fighter like that. He dominated round 7. So he wins that fight. He didn't dominate. He didn't win every round, but he won. Since it was pretty entertaining, it made perfect sense to make a rematch from a business point of view.

OK, as for the second fight. You can't blame a thing on the cut or imply that I'm an inexperienced judge. Just because I have under 1000 posts doesn't mean I'm not an experienced boxing fan. I'm just an inexperienced poster. I'm not a big fan of boxers that "steal the round." He's a much flashier fighter than Manfredo. His speed and awkward style can make make him looked better than he really is at times. I wasn't STUNNED when he took the second decision, but that was only because the fight was in LA. In Manfredo's home town, it would have been a UD for Manfredo.

So how would Mora fair against Taylor or Wright? I suspect not much better than Manfredo would fair against Calzaghe or Kessler. Could Manfredo be Beyer? I think so. Could Sergio beat Quartey, Sturm, or Abraham? That might be a good topic for another thread.

I think Manfredo has made a ton of improvement. While he was on contender I kept thinking "did they tell this kid NOT to dodge or block any punches?" He's got a good chin, good conditioning, and a good attitude. Basically the main ingredients for a top fighter. Working with Roach he's now got a good defense and is able to slip punches and counterpunch. I think the first Mora fight was definitely entertaining and Mora won it clearly. The second fight Peter outboxed him and should have won the decision. He has showed alot of improvement since those two fights and he can compete in the top 10. I don't see him being an all time great, but the kid has a good work ethic and will make entertaining and competetive fights. I think he will win a title at some point. He's a fighter like Gatti, his skills and physical talents aren't great by themselves, but when you put the whole package together you've got a solid fighter.

Mora is in the same boat. As far as getting questionable decisions, Mora got a couple too. I think Mora gets extra credit for his bravado and showboating. He has also shown improvement and I think he will be a solid fighter. Again he's not gonna be an all time great, but he will put on exciting and competetive fights. In the end that's what I want to see. I don't want to see a p4p great take on a tomato can to pad his resume. I want to see guys at an equal skill level put on great fights, whether they are for titles or not doesn't really matter to me. Just be competetive and entertaining. Overall I haven't been a big fan of anyone since I was a child and watched Tyson. Since I have grown up and seen that everyone is human, I just like watching solid competetive fights, and I will pay to watch guys that consistently put them on. That being said both of these guys fit that bill for me. I don't think it's fair to expect them to be all time greats because of the show. They are selling a product, and so is everyone else, I just think that these guys are solid enough to be a good value, and no one is claiming they are all time greats. The show was called contender, that's someone who hasn't made it yet. They certainly fit that definition.