Thread: ** PBF: You make your desicion about his resume....**

k, lets examine the evidence, the following are key wins on PBF career:
(BTW this is NOT a hate thread of any kind, I have spend sometime putting this thread together trying to examine his career and his top competition at the time as he gathered his titles at 130, 135, 140 and 147..so please if you are going to reply, keep it to facts and analysis...not simple to stupid comments)



130 lbs:

Genaro Hernandez: dominating the far more experience Hernandez showed everyone that PBF was force to recken with…total dominance, now Hernandez was for all practical purpose at the end of his career in fact this was his last fight.

Angel Manfredy: a good fighter B type fighter that became champ, tough, but taylor made for PBF, and one that through out his career, lost to all A type fighters he face…

Ramon Rios: again a B type fighter, plenty of experience but not skills to deal with PBF

Juunku: tough FIGHTER FROM Uganda, in similar fashion to all African boxers tough, yet not enough talent to deal with PBF…..B type fighter, again never beat an A type fighter.

Gregorio Vargas: good solid win for PBF, Vargas was tough and PBF boxed the pants out of him….

Chico Corrales: the second feather on PBF cap, no doubt, Chico perhaps a little to wet behind the ears to face the mastery of PBF nevertheless an impressive win.

Carlos Hernandez: another good win for PBF, yet he got floored for the first time , easy win. Hernandez again not beating the A type boxers he faced on his carrer

Jesus Chavez: the 3rd feather on PBF cap, beat him easily dominating a good good fighter.

Now the question here is clear : what big JRLW names are missing here- Popo Freitas and El Cepillo …why not clean the division before moving to 135

135lbs:

Castillo I & II : 2 great fights second weightclass he claimed. Another feather on his cap…

Sosa: impressive record but against who…B type fighter at best….fought chumps before and after PBF..

Ndou: good fighter at the end of his career, PBF took care of business.

Again more of the same….Stevie Johnston…why not fight him, the division was depleated of talent that time and Castillo and Johnston was it!!

140lbs

Chop Chop: another cap on his feather, top competition

Brussels: not great competion, good record but against who…win the eliminator

Gatti: a shot B class fighter, who never beat an A type boxer, we all agree he overwhelm Gatti, to win 3rd title

Mitchell: a shot fighter, not even a fight….

Judah: beat a talented Judah, no doubt another feather on his cap….

Tata Baldomir: wins his 4th title, a tough fighter totally dominate Tata with ease….

Now, again who are the top 140lbs at the time: Hatton, Cotto, Tszyu

You can call me hater or what ever you would like but the evidence is listed above and it is hard refute..

PBF had a chance to become something very special in boxing, yes very special, but for some reason, he evaded the heavier road obstacles and opted for the money…He had greatness within his grasp at JRLW, LW and JRWW….yet he kept skipping…and now he wants the greatness handed to him on a silver platter against an aging ODLH and it is not going to happened….he will beat ODLH but that ATG recognition he wants will still elude him…

Originally Posted by Orishaman

k, lets examine the evidence, the following are key wins on PBF career:
(BTW this is NOT a hate thread of any kind, I have spend sometime putting this thread together trying to examine his career and his top competition at the time as he gathered his titles at 130, 135, 140 and 147..so please if you are going to reply, keep it to facts and analysis...not simple to stupid comments)



130 lbs:

Genaro Hernandez: dominating the far more experience Hernandez showed everyone that PBF was force to recken with…total dominance, now Hernandez was for all practical purpose at the end of his career in fact this was his last fight.

Angel Manfredy: a good fighter B type fighter that became champ, tough, but taylor made for PBF, and one that through out his career, lost to all A type fighters he face…

Ramon Rios: again a B type fighter, plenty of experience but not skills to deal with PBF

Juunku: tough FIGHTER FROM Uganda, in similar fashion to all African boxers tough, yet not enough talent to deal with PBF…..B type fighter, again never beat an A type fighter.

Gregorio Vargas: good solid win for PBF, Vargas was tough and PBF boxed the pants out of him….

Chico Corrales: the second feather on PBF cap, no doubt, Chico perhaps a little to wet behind the ears to face the mastery of PBF nevertheless an impressive win.

Carlos Hernandez: another good win for PBF, yet he got floored for the first time , easy win. Hernandez again not beating the A type boxers he faced on his carrer

Jesus Chavez: the 3rd feather on PBF cap, beat him easily dominating a good good fighter.

Now the question here is clear : what big JRLW names are missing here- Popo Freitas and El Cepillo …why not clean the division before moving to 135

135lbs:

Castillo I & II : 2 great fights second weightclass he claimed. Another feather on his cap…

Sosa: impressive record but against who…B type fighter at best….fought chumps before and after PBF..

Ndou: good fighter at the end of his career, PBF took care of business.

Again more of the same….Stevie Johnston…why not fight him, the division was depleated of talent that time and Castillo and Johnston was it!!

140lbs

Chop Chop: another cap on his feather, top competition

Brussels: not great competion, good record but against who…win the eliminator

Gatti: a shot B class fighter, who never beat an A type boxer, we all agree he overwhelm Gatti, to win 3rd title

Mitchell: a shot fighter, not even a fight….

Judah: beat a talented Judah, no doubt another feather on his cap….

Tata Baldomir: wins his 4th title, a tough fighter totally dominate Tata with ease….

Now, again who are the top 140lbs at the time: Hatton, Cotto, Tszyu

You can call me hater or what ever you would like but the evidence is listed above and it is hard refute..

PBF had a chance to become something very special in boxing, yes very special, but for some reason, he evaded the heavier road obstacles and opted for the money…He had greatness within his grasp at JRLW, LW and JRWW….yet he kept skipping…and now he wants the greatness handed to him on a silver platter against an aging ODLH and it is not going to happened….he will beat ODLH but that ATG recognition he wants will still elude him…

CC. Agree with you for the most part. BTW, Mayweather didn't get floored by Carlos Hernandez. Mayweather's hand hurt him so bad after hitting Hernandez that he touched the canvas.

This is the stupidest thread ever.

He fought alot of good and even some great fighters, and he's only had trouble(sort of) with one of them, and he was injured at the time.

Originally Posted by albsur2006

Originally Posted by Orishaman

k, lets examine the evidence, the following are key wins on PBF career:
(BTW this is NOT a hate thread of any kind, I have spend sometime putting this thread together trying to examine his career and his top competition at the time as he gathered his titles at 130, 135, 140 and 147..so please if you are going to reply, keep it to facts and analysis...not simple to stupid comments)



130 lbs:

Genaro Hernandez: dominating the far more experience Hernandez showed everyone that PBF was force to recken with…total dominance, now Hernandez was for all practical purpose at the end of his career in fact this was his last fight.

Angel Manfredy: a good fighter B type fighter that became champ, tough, but taylor made for PBF, and one that through out his career, lost to all A type fighters he face…

Ramon Rios: again a B type fighter, plenty of experience but not skills to deal with PBF

Juunku: tough FIGHTER FROM Uganda, in similar fashion to all African boxers tough, yet not enough talent to deal with PBF…..B type fighter, again never beat an A type fighter.

Gregorio Vargas: good solid win for PBF, Vargas was tough and PBF boxed the pants out of him….

Chico Corrales: the second feather on PBF cap, no doubt, Chico perhaps a little to wet behind the ears to face the mastery of PBF nevertheless an impressive win.

Carlos Hernandez: another good win for PBF, yet he got floored for the first time , easy win. Hernandez again not beating the A type boxers he faced on his carrer

Jesus Chavez: the 3rd feather on PBF cap, beat him easily dominating a good good fighter.

Now the question here is clear : what big JRLW names are missing here- Popo Freitas and El Cepillo …why not clean the division before moving to 135

135lbs:

Castillo I & II : 2 great fights second weightclass he claimed. Another feather on his cap…

Sosa: impressive record but against who…B type fighter at best….fought chumps before and after PBF..

Ndou: good fighter at the end of his career, PBF took care of business.

Again more of the same….Stevie Johnston…why not fight him, the division was depleated of talent that time and Castillo and Johnston was it!!

140lbs

Chop Chop: another cap on his feather, top competition

Brussels: not great competion, good record but against who…win the eliminator

Gatti: a shot B class fighter, who never beat an A type boxer, we all agree he overwhelm Gatti, to win 3rd title

Mitchell: a shot fighter, not even a fight….

Judah: beat a talented Judah, no doubt another feather on his cap….

Tata Baldomir: wins his 4th title, a tough fighter totally dominate Tata with ease….

Now, again who are the top 140lbs at the time: Hatton, Cotto, Tszyu

You can call me hater or what ever you would like but the evidence is listed above and it is hard refute..

PBF had a chance to become something very special in boxing, yes very special, but for some reason, he evaded the heavier road obstacles and opted for the money…He had greatness within his grasp at JRLW, LW and JRWW….yet he kept skipping…and now he wants the greatness handed to him on a silver platter against an aging ODLH and it is not going to happened….he will beat ODLH but that ATG recognition he wants will still elude him…

CC. Agree with you for the most part. BTW, Mayweather didn't get floored by Carlos Hernandez. Mayweather's hand hurt him so bad after hitting Hernandez that he touched the canvas.

Carlos Hernandez floored PBF:

Carlos Hernandez 128½ 33-2-1

Van Andel Arena, Grand Rapids, MI, USA W UD 12 12 Wiki Biography
~ Referee: Dale Grable | Judge: Peter Trematerra 119-109 | Judge: Robert Watson 117-109 | Judge: Marty Sammon 116-111 ~
~ WBC Super Featherweight Title ~
Mayweather suffered first knockdown of his career in the 6th rd; Hernandez penalized 1 point in Rd 12 for elbowing.

Originally Posted by Orishaman

Originally Posted by albsur2006

Originally Posted by Orishaman

k, lets examine the evidence, the following are key wins on PBF career:
(BTW this is NOT a hate thread of any kind, I have spend sometime putting this thread together trying to examine his career and his top competition at the time as he gathered his titles at 130, 135, 140 and 147..so please if you are going to reply, keep it to facts and analysis...not simple to stupid comments)



130 lbs:

Genaro Hernandez: dominating the far more experience Hernandez showed everyone that PBF was force to recken with…total dominance, now Hernandez was for all practical purpose at the end of his career in fact this was his last fight.

Angel Manfredy: a good fighter B type fighter that became champ, tough, but taylor made for PBF, and one that through out his career, lost to all A type fighters he face…

Ramon Rios: again a B type fighter, plenty of experience but not skills to deal with PBF

Juunku: tough FIGHTER FROM Uganda, in similar fashion to all African boxers tough, yet not enough talent to deal with PBF…..B type fighter, again never beat an A type fighter.

Gregorio Vargas: good solid win for PBF, Vargas was tough and PBF boxed the pants out of him….

Chico Corrales: the second feather on PBF cap, no doubt, Chico perhaps a little to wet behind the ears to face the mastery of PBF nevertheless an impressive win.

Carlos Hernandez: another good win for PBF, yet he got floored for the first time , easy win. Hernandez again not beating the A type boxers he faced on his carrer

Jesus Chavez: the 3rd feather on PBF cap, beat him easily dominating a good good fighter.

Now the question here is clear : what big JRLW names are missing here- Popo Freitas and El Cepillo …why not clean the division before moving to 135

135lbs:

Castillo I & II : 2 great fights second weightclass he claimed. Another feather on his cap…

Sosa: impressive record but against who…B type fighter at best….fought chumps before and after PBF..

Ndou: good fighter at the end of his career, PBF took care of business.

Again more of the same….Stevie Johnston…why not fight him, the division was depleated of talent that time and Castillo and Johnston was it!!

140lbs

Chop Chop: another cap on his feather, top competition

Brussels: not great competion, good record but against who…win the eliminator

Gatti: a shot B class fighter, who never beat an A type boxer, we all agree he overwhelm Gatti, to win 3rd title

Mitchell: a shot fighter, not even a fight….

Judah: beat a talented Judah, no doubt another feather on his cap….

Tata Baldomir: wins his 4th title, a tough fighter totally dominate Tata with ease….

Now, again who are the top 140lbs at the time: Hatton, Cotto, Tszyu

You can call me hater or what ever you would like but the evidence is listed above and it is hard refute..

PBF had a chance to become something very special in boxing, yes very special, but for some reason, he evaded the heavier road obstacles and opted for the money…He had greatness within his grasp at JRLW, LW and JRWW….yet he kept skipping…and now he wants the greatness handed to him on a silver platter against an aging ODLH and it is not going to happened….he will beat ODLH but that ATG recognition he wants will still elude him…

CC. Agree with you for the most part. BTW, Mayweather didn't get floored by Carlos Hernandez. Mayweather's hand hurt him so bad after hitting Hernandez that he touched the canvas.

Carlos Hernandez floored PBF:

Carlos Hernandez 128½ 33-2-1

Van Andel Arena, Grand Rapids, MI, USA W UD 12 12 Wiki Biography
~ Referee: Dale Grable | Judge: Peter Trematerra 119-109 | Judge: Robert Watson 117-109 | Judge: Marty Sammon 116-111 ~
~ WBC Super Featherweight Title ~
Mayweather suffered first knockdown of his career in the 6th rd; Hernandez penalized 1 point in Rd 12 for elbowing.

You see that's the problem with reading Boxrec summarys instead of actually watching the fight. You don't really knows the facts and you're trying to sit here and act like you know what you are talking about when you really don't.

Check this out please:

http://www.boxingtimes.com/analyses/...hernandez.html

I don;t need to go anywhere Iwatch the fight I simply reference you to BoxREC SINCE YOU WERE SO ENFATICALLY WRONG ON YOUR STATEMENT....

Name one great fighter Floyd has faced ?

Now name some fighters he could have faced and you get a resume that looks better than the rubbish hes peddling as p4p

Tszyu is the most obvious but even hatton and Cotto would have stunned us (if Floyd took the fights)

Originally Posted by Orishaman

I don;t need to go anywhere Iwatch the fight I simply reference you to BoxREC SINCE YOU WERE SO ENFATICALLY WRONG ON YOUR STATEMENT....

How was I wrong?? Carlos didn't floor Floyd with a punch or even a push. Floyd hit Carlos and his hand hurt him so bad after the hit, he touched the canvas on accident. The ref ruled it a knockdown which was correct but Carlos did not floor Floyd. Floyd floored himself. BTW, I hate to be a little prick, but it's emphatically. Enjoy the CC and leave it at that.

Originally Posted by ross

Name one great fighter Floyd has faced ?

Now name some fighters he could have faced and you get a resume that looks better than the rubbish hes peddling as p4p

Tszyu is the most obvious but even hatton and Cotto would have stunned us (if Floyd took the fights)

Chavez & Corrales & Castillo...all greats in the minds of boxing pundits & the media & the fans when Floyd outshined them.

Originally Posted by ross

Name one great fighter Floyd has faced ?

Now name some fighters he could have faced and you get a resume that looks better than the rubbish hes peddling as p4p

Tszyu is the most obvious but even hatton and Cotto would have stunned us (if Floyd took the fights)

Once again, Floyd tried to fight Hatton and Hatton came out and said that he wasn't ready yet but he would pursue the fight in the future. Both Graham and Hatton said this. When Floyd was at 140, you never even heard Cotto's name because Arum promoted both. Arum wanted to build Cotto up. Floyd fighting Cotto at 140 would have been career suicide for Cotto, Arum knew this. Cotto was too green anyway at the time. Now the fight looks a little better at 147.

Originally Posted by albsur2006

he touched the canvas on accident. The ref ruled it a knockdown which was correct

It was a knockdown, those are the rules, Carlos made Floyd have a knockdown, floyd didnt have to do it but he did, carlos forced him to

Chavez, Coralles and Castillo are good not great otherwise what do great fighters become ?

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Originally Posted by ross

Originally Posted by albsur2006

he touched the canvas on accident. The ref ruled it a knockdown which was correct

It was a knockdown, those are the rules, Carlos made Floyd have a knockdown, floyd didnt have to do it but he did, carlos forced him to

You're right. I'm just a little miffed at the word floored because it implies that Carlos landed some huge punch that put Floyd on the canvas. But yeah, that was Floyd's first and only knockdown.

Originally Posted by Taeth

This is the stupidest thread ever.

He fought alot of good and even some great fighters, and he's only had trouble(sort of) with one of them, and he was injured at the time.

He was injured when he fought Castillo the first time

I still think it's not too much to ask of the guy to fight Mosley and some other PROVEN great fighters before he calls it a career.

Chico wasn't really tested when he fought PBF

Floyd never fought Casamayor either....a tough customer with a slick style

Floyd has done well but his fight vs De la Hoya will have a HUGE say in how his career is viewed....he was either protected or always great, history can be very polarizing, I think honestly he's somewhere inbetween

The knockdown does not mean anything at all,he just went down from the shooting pain he got from breaking/damaging his hand from all the shots he was landing on Carlos head!