Thread: Valero Ready to face Pac

Originally Posted by BoxingGod

daxxkahn, you interviewed casamayor? that's kool mann, I think its because casamayor always wanted the style of career pac has now that's why.

but about valero vs pac, after k.oing another unknown fighter I am surely not sold on valero. so his calling out pacman now huh think his mister big shot, I`m not impress at all because what valero has done to the very weak oppenents he has I bet pac will do the same if not worst.

valero being a naturally bigger fighter I think will look good for pac after pac ends his hype, I have been saying valero should wait but since his talking shyt I hope pac grants him his wish and punish him soon, but I think its better for valeros career to wait til next year atleast because it`ll be a better fight then now.

valero may end up like vargas all the hype but once in with the elite hype over.

wow that article is sure making it seems pac is actually afraid of valero. I think once the philippines media starts looking at valero, pacman will tune in to valeros challenge and valero needs to be carefull with what he wish for.

Vincent Mosquera was is not a weak fighter. He was a very underrated fighter. That fact that Valero beat him in his own backyard was impressive. Your focusing to much on Valero's opponents. You need to look at his size and power. As well as Pac's tendency to get hit.

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Here's the thing...it's painfully obvious that I aint a Pac-Fan...so I think that I can unbiased offer up a fairly decent arguement here.

#1: Valero does not yet deserve a shot at Pac.

#2: Pacquiao deserves a break. He's fought Larios & Morales back to back...& honestly...let him fight someone of lesser caliber.

There's no one out there worth really fighting other than Harrison, JMM, Barrera, & I guess Guzman...another one on who I aint 100% sold.

Pac's doing fine.

If Klassen is being given a chance then why not Valero, I do think that with Valero's record alone proves that he is more worthy plus he's a WBO champ. I do think that Valero is not that green either I remember when PAC fought Barrera he was 24 years old.

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by BoxingGod

daxxkahn, you interviewed casamayor? that's kool mann, I think its because casamayor always wanted the style of career pac has now that's why.

but about valero vs pac, after k.oing another unknown fighter I am surely not sold on valero. so his calling out pacman now huh think his mister big shot, I`m not impress at all because what valero has done to the very weak oppenents he has I bet pac will do the same if not worst.

valero being a naturally bigger fighter I think will look good for pac after pac ends his hype, I have been saying valero should wait but since his talking shyt I hope pac grants him his wish and punish him soon, but I think its better for valeros career to wait til next year atleast because it`ll be a better fight then now.

valero may end up like vargas all the hype but once in with the elite hype over.

wow that article is sure making it seems pac is actually afraid of valero. I think once the philippines media starts looking at valero, pacman will tune in to valeros challenge and valero needs to be carefull with what he wish for.

Vincent Mosquera was is not a weak fighter. He was a very underrated fighter. That fact that Valero beat him in his own backyard was impressive. Your focusing to much on Valero's opponents. You need to look at his size and power. As well as Pac's tendency to get hit.

right on the button bro. PAC is highly hittable + VALERO is knockout king =
Sad to say but If PAC doesnt fight this guy this is what most people will be thinking.

Valero has a talent to improve. Has a great power but seem slow for Pac yet. Valero can sure be an impact boxer in future. But now, IMO theres no way he can beat Pac.

Originally Posted by Humble

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Here's the thing...it's painfully obvious that I aint a Pac-Fan...so I think that I can unbiased offer up a fairly decent arguement here.

#1: Valero does not yet deserve a shot at Pac.

#2: Pacquiao deserves a break. He's fought Larios & Morales back to back...& honestly...let him fight someone of lesser caliber.

There's no one out there worth really fighting other than Harrison, JMM, Barrera, & I guess Guzman...another one on who I aint 100% sold.

Pac's doing fine.

If Klassen is being given a chance then why not Valero, I do think that with Valero's record alone proves that he is more worthy plus he's a WBO champ. I do think that Valero is not that green either I remember when PAC fought Barrera he was 24 years old.

Humble.

Fair enough. Maybe he does deserve a shot. Maybe I'm just being a bit too harsh.

I really really want Valero to do a bit more building of his image...I suppose if someone like Velazquez or that Fahsan 3K Battery cat got their chance...Valero has the right.

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Originally Posted by Humble

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Here's the thing...it's painfully obvious that I aint a Pac-Fan...so I think that I can unbiased offer up a fairly decent arguement here.

#1: Valero does not yet deserve a shot at Pac.

#2: Pacquiao deserves a break. He's fought Larios & Morales back to back...& honestly...let him fight someone of lesser caliber.

There's no one out there worth really fighting other than Harrison, JMM, Barrera, & I guess Guzman...another one on who I aint 100% sold.

Pac's doing fine.

If Klassen is being given a chance then why not Valero, I do think that with Valero's record alone proves that he is more worthy plus he's a WBO champ. I do think that Valero is not that green either I remember when PAC fought Barrera he was 24 years old.

Humble.

Fair enough. Maybe he does deserve a shot. Maybe I'm just being a bit too harsh.

I really really want Valero to do a bit more building of his image...I suppose if someone like Velazquez or that Fahsan 3K Battery cat got their chance...Valero has the right.

Thanks Wacko cc you back!!! Honestly I'm also scared of Valero getting more time to improve He is already a threat imagine what a few more years can do PAC is in grave danger if he let's this monster peak.

Originally Posted by Humble

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by BoxingGod

daxxkahn, you interviewed casamayor? that's kool mann, I think its because casamayor always wanted the style of career pac has now that's why.

but about valero vs pac, after k.oing another unknown fighter I am surely not sold on valero. so his calling out pacman now huh think his mister big shot, I`m not impress at all because what valero has done to the very weak oppenents he has I bet pac will do the same if not worst.

valero being a naturally bigger fighter I think will look good for pac after pac ends his hype, I have been saying valero should wait but since his talking shyt I hope pac grants him his wish and punish him soon, but I think its better for valeros career to wait til next year atleast because it`ll be a better fight then now.

valero may end up like vargas all the hype but once in with the elite hype over.

wow that article is sure making it seems pac is actually afraid of valero. I think once the philippines media starts looking at valero, pacman will tune in to valeros challenge and valero needs to be carefull with what he wish for.

Vincent Mosquera was is not a weak fighter. He was a very underrated fighter. That fact that Valero beat him in his own backyard was impressive. Your focusing to much on Valero's opponents. You need to look at his size and power. As well as Pac's tendency to get hit.

right on the button bro. PAC is highly hittable + VALERO is knockout king =
Sad to say but If PAC doesnt fight this guy this is what most people will be thinking.

I think we do have to look at his oppenent. since people has been saying how he has been k.oing guys. we have to look at how commited and good the oppenents were.

Vincent Mosquera is valeros one and only decent oppenent. and vincent drop valero and took valero to ten rounds. people are saying pac is hittable and will just get k.o... valero is hittable too and hasn't prove he can take a big punch and pac has proven to take huge punches and keeps coming.

I hope to see valero get some better oppenent atleast someone we heard of already. maybe he really has power but how much power really? If his power is being overrated he will be in deep trouble for any elite. bums aren't as condition aren't as committed and they`re chins and legs fold much easier. I want to see valero demostrate his power against a very condition committed fighter for sure it will last more then 1 round just like vincent fight valero himself can get vulnerable to getting k.oed in the championship rounds.

a fight with pac can totally bring valero to the top or it can bring him to the bottom of death valley. is it wiser to just after 21 fights step up to the very best in the division and rely on his power and hope to k.o pac but is risking himself to get k.oed too...or valero can perfect his game allow the other contender weaken pac then dethrone him. I think he should take the wiser road, because right now pac will ruin him if he steps up.

but to be a selfish fan haha I would love to see this fight right now! but I think its wiser for valero to take his time perfecting his game then just risk it all and rely on a k.o that may turn on him.

Originally Posted by BoxingGod

Originally Posted by Humble

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by BoxingGod

daxxkahn, you interviewed casamayor? that's kool mann, I think its because casamayor always wanted the style of career pac has now that's why.

but about valero vs pac, after k.oing another unknown fighter I am surely not sold on valero. so his calling out pacman now huh think his mister big shot, I`m not impress at all because what valero has done to the very weak oppenents he has I bet pac will do the same if not worst.

valero being a naturally bigger fighter I think will look good for pac after pac ends his hype, I have been saying valero should wait but since his talking shyt I hope pac grants him his wish and punish him soon, but I think its better for valeros career to wait til next year atleast because it`ll be a better fight then now.

valero may end up like vargas all the hype but once in with the elite hype over.

wow that article is sure making it seems pac is actually afraid of valero. I think once the philippines media starts looking at valero, pacman will tune in to valeros challenge and valero needs to be carefull with what he wish for.

Vincent Mosquera was is not a weak fighter. He was a very underrated fighter. That fact that Valero beat him in his own backyard was impressive. Your focusing to much on Valero's opponents. You need to look at his size and power. As well as Pac's tendency to get hit.

right on the button bro. PAC is highly hittable + VALERO is knockout king =
Sad to say but If PAC doesnt fight this guy this is what most people will be thinking.

I think we do have to look at his oppenent. since people has been saying how he has been k.oing guys. we have to look at how commited and good the oppenents were.

Vincent Mosquera is valeros one and only decent oppenent. and vincent drop valero and took valero to ten rounds. people are saying pac is hittable and will just get k.o... valero is hittable too and hasn't prove he can take a big punch and pac has proven to take huge punches and keeps coming.

I hope to see valero get some better oppenent atleast someone we heard of already. maybe he really has power but how much power really? If his power is being overrated he will be in deep trouble for any elite. bums aren't as condition aren't as committed and they`re chins and legs fold much easier. I want to see valero demostrate his power against a very condition committed fighter for sure it will last more then 1 round just like vincent fight valero himself can get vulnerable to getting k.oed in the championship rounds.

a fight with pac can totally bring valero to the top or it can bring him to the bottom of death valley. is it wiser to just after 21 fights step up to the very best in the division and rely on his power and hope to k.o pac but is risking himself to get k.oed too...or valero can perfect his game allow the other contender weaken pac then dethrone him. I think he should take the wiser road, because right now pac will ruin him if he steps up.

but to be a selfish fan haha I would love to see this fight right now! but I think its wiser for valero to take his time perfecting his game then just risk it all and rely on a k.o that may turn on him.

What you not understanding is that Pac's token shot from guys his size or smaller. This guy is naturally bigger. His power looks to be real. Taking shots from this guy will be a lot different. And normally it wouldn't be wise for some one with only 21 fights to fight someone on Pac's level. But this is a little different. For two reasons. First of all Valero going into Mosquera's backyard in front of a hostile crowd is huge. Look at the fight. That was a rowdy ass crowd. Valero won't be over-whelmed in a pro Pac environment. And second of all Pac ain't no boxer. He's a puncher. No matter what he says his main purpose is looking for the knock out. And that is what gives Valero his chance. His only chance. Let's be realistic here. Valero is as ready as he's going to get. He's not going to learn anything else. His game is power and that's it. He ain't going to learn how to box and he ain't going to become no defensive wizard. He's one-dimensional and he's going to stay that way. Fighting better fighters than he already has ain't going to do much but put him at risk of losing. And that can't happen. Valero needs to stay undefeated to make a fight with Pac huge. If he loses than it's over for him. That's why this fight needs to happen now.

Originally Posted by BoxingGod

Originally Posted by Humble

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by BoxingGod

daxxkahn, you interviewed casamayor? that's kool mann, I think its because casamayor always wanted the style of career pac has now that's why.

but about valero vs pac, after k.oing another unknown fighter I am surely not sold on valero. so his calling out pacman now huh think his mister big shot, I`m not impress at all because what valero has done to the very weak oppenents he has I bet pac will do the same if not worst.

valero being a naturally bigger fighter I think will look good for pac after pac ends his hype, I have been saying valero should wait but since his talking shyt I hope pac grants him his wish and punish him soon, but I think its better for valeros career to wait til next year atleast because it`ll be a better fight then now.

valero may end up like vargas all the hype but once in with the elite hype over.

wow that article is sure making it seems pac is actually afraid of valero. I think once the philippines media starts looking at valero, pacman will tune in to valeros challenge and valero needs to be carefull with what he wish for.

Vincent Mosquera was is not a weak fighter. He was a very underrated fighter. That fact that Valero beat him in his own backyard was impressive. Your focusing to much on Valero's opponents. You need to look at his size and power. As well as Pac's tendency to get hit.

right on the button bro. PAC is highly hittable + VALERO is knockout king =
Sad to say but If PAC doesnt fight this guy this is what most people will be thinking.

I think we do have to look at his oppenent. since people has been saying how he has been k.oing guys. we have to look at how commited and good the oppenents were.

Vincent Mosquera is valeros one and only decent oppenent. and vincent drop valero and took valero to ten rounds. people are saying pac is hittable and will just get k.o... valero is hittable too and hasn't prove he can take a big punch and pac has proven to take huge punches and keeps coming.

I hope to see valero get some better oppenent atleast someone we heard of already. maybe he really has power but how much power really? If his power is being overrated he will be in deep trouble for any elite. bums aren't as condition aren't as committed and they`re chins and legs fold much easier. I want to see valero demostrate his power against a very condition committed fighter for sure it will last more then 1 round just like vincent fight valero himself can get vulnerable to getting k.oed in the championship rounds.

a fight with pac can totally bring valero to the top or it can bring him to the bottom of death valley. is it wiser to just after 21 fights step up to the very best in the division and rely on his power and hope to k.o pac but is risking himself to get k.oed too...or valero can perfect his game allow the other contender weaken pac then dethrone him. I think he should take the wiser road, because right now pac will ruin him if he steps up.

but to be a selfish fan haha I would love to see this fight right now! but I think its wiser for valero to take his time perfecting his game then just risk it all and rely on a k.o that may turn on him.

I'm a selfish fan too, cc you Bro This fight needs to happen soon. The longer it takes for this fight to take place the more suicidal it is for PAC.

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by BoxingGod

Originally Posted by Humble

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by BoxingGod

daxxkahn, you interviewed casamayor? that's kool mann, I think its because casamayor always wanted the style of career pac has now that's why.

but about valero vs pac, after k.oing another unknown fighter I am surely not sold on valero. so his calling out pacman now huh think his mister big shot, I`m not impress at all because what valero has done to the very weak oppenents he has I bet pac will do the same if not worst.

valero being a naturally bigger fighter I think will look good for pac after pac ends his hype, I have been saying valero should wait but since his talking shyt I hope pac grants him his wish and punish him soon, but I think its better for valeros career to wait til next year atleast because it`ll be a better fight then now.

valero may end up like vargas all the hype but once in with the elite hype over.

wow that article is sure making it seems pac is actually afraid of valero. I think once the philippines media starts looking at valero, pacman will tune in to valeros challenge and valero needs to be carefull with what he wish for.

Vincent Mosquera was is not a weak fighter. He was a very underrated fighter. That fact that Valero beat him in his own backyard was impressive. Your focusing to much on Valero's opponents. You need to look at his size and power. As well as Pac's tendency to get hit.

right on the button bro. PAC is highly hittable + VALERO is knockout king =
Sad to say but If PAC doesnt fight this guy this is what most people will be thinking.

I think we do have to look at his oppenent. since people has been saying how he has been k.oing guys. we have to look at how commited and good the oppenents were.

Vincent Mosquera is valeros one and only decent oppenent. and vincent drop valero and took valero to ten rounds. people are saying pac is hittable and will just get k.o... valero is hittable too and hasn't prove he can take a big punch and pac has proven to take huge punches and keeps coming.

I hope to see valero get some better oppenent atleast someone we heard of already. maybe he really has power but how much power really? If his power is being overrated he will be in deep trouble for any elite. bums aren't as condition aren't as committed and they`re chins and legs fold much easier. I want to see valero demostrate his power against a very condition committed fighter for sure it will last more then 1 round just like vincent fight valero himself can get vulnerable to getting k.oed in the championship rounds.

a fight with pac can totally bring valero to the top or it can bring him to the bottom of death valley. is it wiser to just after 21 fights step up to the very best in the division and rely on his power and hope to k.o pac but is risking himself to get k.oed too...or valero can perfect his game allow the other contender weaken pac then dethrone him. I think he should take the wiser road, because right now pac will ruin him if he steps up.

but to be a selfish fan haha I would love to see this fight right now! but I think its wiser for valero to take his time perfecting his game then just risk it all and rely on a k.o that may turn on him.

What you not understanding is that Pac's token shot from guys his size or smaller. This guy is naturally bigger. His power looks to be real. Taking shots from this guy will be a lot different. And normally it wouldn't be wise for some one with only 21 fights to fight someone on Pac's level. But this is a little different. For two reasons. First of all Valero going into Mosquera's backyard in front of a hostile crowd is huge. Look at the fight. That was a rowdy a** crowd. Valero won't be over-whelmed in a pro Pac environment. And second of all Pac ain't no boxer. He's a puncher. No matter what he says his main purpose is looking for the knock out. And that is what gives Valero his chance. His only chance. Let's be realistic here. Valero is as ready as he's going to get. He's not going to learn anything else. His game is power and that's it. He ain't going to learn how to box and he ain't going to become no defensive wizard. He's one-dimensional and he's going to stay that way. Fighting better fighters than he already has ain't going to do much but put him at risk of losing. And that can't happen. Valero needs to stay undefeated to make a fight with Pac huge. If he loses than it's over for him. That's why this fight needs to happen now.

I hope you're right that Valero is not going to evolve into a boxer-puncher or defensive counterpuncher of some sort with already superhuman punching power. He is already a handfull as it is.

Originally Posted by Humble

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by BoxingGod

Originally Posted by Humble

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by BoxingGod

daxxkahn, you interviewed casamayor? that's kool mann, I think its because casamayor always wanted the style of career pac has now that's why.

but about valero vs pac, after k.oing another unknown fighter I am surely not sold on valero. so his calling out pacman now huh think his mister big shot, I`m not impress at all because what valero has done to the very weak oppenents he has I bet pac will do the same if not worst.

valero being a naturally bigger fighter I think will look good for pac after pac ends his hype, I have been saying valero should wait but since his talking shyt I hope pac grants him his wish and punish him soon, but I think its better for valeros career to wait til next year atleast because it`ll be a better fight then now.

valero may end up like vargas all the hype but once in with the elite hype over.

wow that article is sure making it seems pac is actually afraid of valero. I think once the philippines media starts looking at valero, pacman will tune in to valeros challenge and valero needs to be carefull with what he wish for.

Vincent Mosquera was is not a weak fighter. He was a very underrated fighter. That fact that Valero beat him in his own backyard was impressive. Your focusing to much on Valero's opponents. You need to look at his size and power. As well as Pac's tendency to get hit.

right on the button bro. PAC is highly hittable + VALERO is knockout king =
Sad to say but If PAC doesnt fight this guy this is what most people will be thinking.

I think we do have to look at his oppenent. since people has been saying how he has been k.oing guys. we have to look at how commited and good the oppenents were.

Vincent Mosquera is valeros one and only decent oppenent. and vincent drop valero and took valero to ten rounds. people are saying pac is hittable and will just get k.o... valero is hittable too and hasn't prove he can take a big punch and pac has proven to take huge punches and keeps coming.

I hope to see valero get some better oppenent atleast someone we heard of already. maybe he really has power but how much power really? If his power is being overrated he will be in deep trouble for any elite. bums aren't as condition aren't as committed and they`re chins and legs fold much easier. I want to see valero demostrate his power against a very condition committed fighter for sure it will last more then 1 round just like vincent fight valero himself can get vulnerable to getting k.oed in the championship rounds.

a fight with pac can totally bring valero to the top or it can bring him to the bottom of death valley. is it wiser to just after 21 fights step up to the very best in the division and rely on his power and hope to k.o pac but is risking himself to get k.oed too...or valero can perfect his game allow the other contender weaken pac then dethrone him. I think he should take the wiser road, because right now pac will ruin him if he steps up.

but to be a selfish fan haha I would love to see this fight right now! but I think its wiser for valero to take his time perfecting his game then just risk it all and rely on a k.o that may turn on him.

What you not understanding is that Pac's token shot from guys his size or smaller. This guy is naturally bigger. His power looks to be real. Taking shots from this guy will be a lot different. And normally it wouldn't be wise for some one with only 21 fights to fight someone on Pac's level. But this is a little different. For two reasons. First of all Valero going into Mosquera's backyard in front of a hostile crowd is huge. Look at the fight. That was a rowdy a** crowd. Valero won't be over-whelmed in a pro Pac environment. And second of all Pac ain't no boxer. He's a puncher. No matter what he says his main purpose is looking for the knock out. And that is what gives Valero his chance. His only chance. Let's be realistic here. Valero is as ready as he's going to get. He's not going to learn anything else. His game is power and that's it. He ain't going to learn how to box and he ain't going to become no defensive wizard. He's one-dimensional and he's going to stay that way. Fighting better fighters than he already has ain't going to do much but put him at risk of losing. And that can't happen. Valero needs to stay undefeated to make a fight with Pac huge. If he loses than it's over for him. That's why this fight needs to happen now.

I hope you're right that Valero is not going to evolve into a boxer-puncher or defensive counterpuncher of some sort with already superhuman punching power. He is already a handfull as it is.

Valero's is as one-dimensional as they come. It's just that one dimension is a hurtful dimension.

Gotta disagree Violent Demise, I think Valero can improve and can get better. Don't know if you know this but Ricardo Lopez, JMM, R.Marquez, Gilberto Roman and many others moved and or trained for the most part or at one point of their careers in Japan. Once they made those moves they improved in their skills and they're careers shot straight up. The name of the gym they all wen't to leaves my mind right now. If I remember I'll post it. But yeah! I think Valero can get better and he should wait.....

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by BoxingGod

daxxkahn, you interviewed casamayor? that's kool mann, I think its because casamayor always wanted the style of career pac has now that's why.

but about valero vs pac, after k.oing another unknown fighter I am surely not sold on valero. so his calling out pacman now huh think his mister big shot, I`m not impress at all because what valero has done to the very weak oppenents he has I bet pac will do the same if not worst.

valero being a naturally bigger fighter I think will look good for pac after pac ends his hype, I have been saying valero should wait but since his talking shyt I hope pac grants him his wish and punish him soon, but I think its better for valeros career to wait til next year atleast because it`ll be a better fight then now.

valero may end up like vargas all the hype but once in with the elite hype over.

wow that article is sure making it seems pac is actually afraid of valero. I think once the philippines media starts looking at valero, pacman will tune in to valeros challenge and valero needs to be carefull with what he wish for.

Vincent Mosquera was is not a weak fighter. He was a very underrated fighter. That fact that Valero beat him in his own backyard was impressive. Your focusing to much on Valero's opponents. You need to look at his size and power. As well as Pac's tendency to get hit.

VD you right on the money, as you are most of the time. I would love to see Valero fight Pac asap. Valero is to get too confident in his ability just to go out there and knock the f**k out of his opponent. That will eventually come back and bite him in the ass. But as of now he has the fire AND the desire and his style vs. Pac's would be a whole lot of fireworks. Valero has speed and he's got more natural power than pac.



Valero would be a huge underdog against Pac and I would be placing my money on valero for a glorious upset KO. And I would be making about %300 percent back after valero wins.

Originally Posted by CutMeMicK

Gotta disagree Violent Demise, I think Valero can improve and can get better. Don't know if you know this but Ricardo Lopez, JMM, R.Marquez, Gilberto Roman and many others moved and or trained for the most part or at one point of their careers in Japan. Once they made those moves they improved in their skills and they're careers shot straight up. The name of the gym they all wen't to leaves my mind right now. If I remember I'll post it. But yeah! I think Valero can get better and he should wait.....

i agree. valero can definitely still improve. if he faces pac now he'll just get exposed. if valero could get one or two wins against opponents who's names are not obscure, then a fight with the pac would be a lot bigger than if the fight happens now.

"Pacquaio called Valero's opponents tricycle drivers"