Thread: Who do you like: Miranda vs Green

Originally Posted by killersheep

Originally Posted by Majesty

Originally Posted by killersheep

I think Miranda will capitalize on Green's lack of defense early.

Miranda KO 3-4 rounds.

Why do people forget about Miranda's lack of Defense

I'm not forgetting Miranda's lack of defense. If you have to fighters with non-existant defense the more aggressive (in this case Miranda) will win.

But Green is a counter puncher, add that to the equation. and what do you bave?

People forget Allan Green used to be an off his back foot fighter, and Teddy Atlas used tro give him hell for fighting going backwards(despite the fact he was still winning) he's only become a more aggressive fighter since the Jaidon Codrington fight.

Allan can fight going backwards, can Miranda?

HUGE PROPS to both fighters for making this fight.

Hell, this could be a headliner in it's own right.

Win, lose or draw for either man - they both deserve a lot of credit for making this fight happen, they set an example to the other protected fighters in the sport.

Originally Posted by Majesty

Originally Posted by killersheep

Originally Posted by Majesty

Originally Posted by killersheep

I think Miranda will capitalize on Green's lack of defense early.

Miranda KO 3-4 rounds.

Why do people forget about Miranda's lack of Defense

I'm not forgetting Miranda's lack of defense. If you have to fighters with non-existant defense the more aggressive (in this case Miranda) will win.

But Green is a counter puncher, add that to the equation. and what do you bave?

People forget Allan Green used to be an off his back foot fighter, and Teddy Atlas used tro give him hell for fighting going backwards(despite the fact he was still winning) he's only become a more aggressive fighter since the Jaidon Codrington fight.

Allan can fight going backwards, can Miranda?

Miranda won't have to go backwards, he will most definately be the aggressor. This is all speculation anyway right, only way to find out is on fight night. Why don't you play the sports book?

Pantera may lack defense at times......but the guy has 24 kayos in his 28 professional fights! With 22 knockouts coming in three rounds or less! How often has defense really been a factor in one of his fights? The fact is aggressive fighters naturally get hit more because in order to attack you are leaving openings that better opponents will target. Even in his one loss, the judges and referee cost Miranda more than his supposed lack of defense.

Originally Posted by killersheep

Originally Posted by Majesty

Originally Posted by killersheep

Originally Posted by Majesty

Originally Posted by killersheep

I think Miranda will capitalize on Green's lack of defense early.

Miranda KO 3-4 rounds.

Why do people forget about Miranda's lack of Defense

I'm not forgetting Miranda's lack of defense. If you have to fighters with non-existant defense the more aggressive (in this case Miranda) will win.

But Green is a counter puncher, add that to the equation. and what do you bave?

People forget Allan Green used to be an off his back foot fighter, and Teddy Atlas used tro give him hell for fighting going backwards(despite the fact he was still winning) he's only become a more aggressive fighter since the Jaidon Codrington fight.

Allan can fight going backwards, can Miranda?

Miranda won't have to go backwards, he will most definately be the aggressor. This is all speculation anyway right, only way to find out is on fight night. Why don't you play the sports book?

Cause I like to guess....not gamble

Originally Posted by Majesty

Originally Posted by killersheep

Originally Posted by Majesty

Originally Posted by killersheep

Originally Posted by Majesty

Originally Posted by killersheep

I think Miranda will capitalize on Green's lack of defense early.

Miranda KO 3-4 rounds.

Why do people forget about Miranda's lack of Defense

I'm not forgetting Miranda's lack of defense. If you have to fighters with non-existant defense the more aggressive (in this case Miranda) will win.

But Green is a counter puncher, add that to the equation. and what do you bave?

People forget Allan Green used to be an off his back foot fighter, and Teddy Atlas used tro give him hell for fighting going backwards(despite the fact he was still winning) he's only become a more aggressive fighter since the Jaidon Codrington fight.

Allan can fight going backwards, can Miranda?

Miranda won't have to go backwards, he will most definately be the aggressor. This is all speculation anyway right, only way to find out is on fight night. Why don't you play the sports book?

Cause I like to guess....not gamble

That's too bad, you'd be, I'd wager you'd be good at it.

Originally Posted by overhandright

Pantera may lack defense at times......but the guy has 24 kayos in his 28 professional fights! With 22 knockouts coming in three rounds or less! How often has defense really been a factor in one of his fights? The fact is aggressive fighters naturally get hit more because in order to attack you are leaving openings that better opponents will target. Even in his one loss, the judges and referee cost Miranda more than his supposed lack of defense.

I have never come across any explanation as to why he headbuted Abraham. I've always felt that (after some time) he realised he would lose to a guy who is, relative to him, a good boxer unless he knocks him out. By headbutting Abraham he was hoping it be ruled accidental and the fight go to the score card at which point (I think as I have only read about the fight) he was leading.

Originally Posted by overhandright

Allan Green is the bigger man and he boasts an undefeated record. Miranda is still the stronger guy. I have heard people say that Green's is more polished and his skills may be too much for Pantera. Well I'll make no attempt to cover up the fact that I am a Miranda fan but trying to view it objectively I think Miranda may get popped a few times by the talented Green but Pantera has a good chin and eventually he will catch Green and end the fight early. I like Miranda in the 6th or 7th by KO.

What do you guys think?

Edison Miranda Interview: http://www.overhandright.com/Pantera...Interview.html

Welcome to the forum. Have the Obligatory Wacko Welcome Wagon

You should make this official & modify your post by adding a poll. Cheers!

Miranda will be to much for Green IMO...I could be wrong but I truly think Edison will overwhelm him early and once he smells a drop of blood will only pick up the pace.....

Originally Posted by Gingok

Originally Posted by overhandright

Pantera may lack defense at times......but the guy has 24 kayos in his 28 professional fights! With 22 knockouts coming in three rounds or less! How often has defense really been a factor in one of his fights? The fact is aggressive fighters naturally get hit more because in order to attack you are leaving openings that better opponents will target. Even in his one loss, the judges and referee cost Miranda more than his supposed lack of defense.

I have never come across any explanation as to why he headbuted Abraham. I've always felt that (after some time) he realised he would lose to a guy who is, relative to him, a good boxer unless he knocks him out. By headbutting Abraham he was hoping it be ruled accidental and the fight go to the score card at which point (I think as I have only read about the fight) he was leading.

Miranda said he did it because Abraham kept holding him and he was trying to retaliate by butting him away.
Not smart, but it was his excuse.

Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Miranda will be to much for Green IMO...I could be wrong but I truly think Edison will overwhelm him early and once he smells a drop of blood will only pick up the pace.....

Agreed. Good points.

I hate brawlers. Miranda's a bralwer.

I love tactical thinking boxers...a tactician Miranda isn't.

A tactician is a thinking man's boxer. You can see him working out a gameplan in the ring. Miranda just goes in for the kill at the first bell...he embodies the majority of what I don't like...but gotdam he's grown on me.

He knows just when to hit & how to where to crack...thing is...it's been against fighters & not truely seasoned boxers. He underperformed against Abraham (IWO) ref or not.

Against Eastman he did so-so. The stoppage was a bit...off, IWO, but he did do pretty decent against the biggest test to date.

Anywho...I'll love it if & when he blocks Green out.

Green by knock out around the 5th or 6th round

Green gets Kayo'd 4 or 5th

Wacko,

I believe your welcoming message was directed to me since it was my first post. Thank you.

Pantera,

That was a poor excuse.

As Wacko stated, Miranda underperformed against Abraham, Ref or no. In a lot of occasion a slugger would lose to a boxer if the fight went a distance. In such situation, an unscrupulous trainer would probably tell his fighter to end the fight (eg. by accident) while they're still leading on the score card. This is just my opinion.

On the current topic, if Green is as good as some people have said and can last past 5 rounds I think he would win.

Originally Posted by Gingok

Wacko,

I believe your welcoming message was directed to me since it was my first post. Thank you.

Pantera,

That was a poor excuse.

As Wacko stated, Miranda underperformed against Abraham, Ref or no. In a lot of occasion a slugger would lose to a boxer if the fight went a distance. In such situation, an unscrupulous trainer would probably tell his fighter to end the fight (eg. by accident) while they're still leading on the score card. This is just my opinion.

On the current topic, if Green is as good as some people have said and can last past 5 rounds I think he would win.

Good points. Good post.

Yes indeed...since you are new to the joint...have the Obligatory Wacko Welcome Wagon

As I stated on another thread...Miranda does have a leaky D and quite often focuses on coming straight out & blowing the man out across from him...here ya go...for the sake of repetition:

Originally Posted by wacko3205

Originally Posted by Pantera

Green was up there first and said he was going to knock out Miranda.
Miranda got up there and said something like "You hamburger, hotdog and french fry eating gringo thinks your going to come into my hometown and knock me out? With what? You got nothing in you that can knock this out!"..... he pulled off his shirt and walked towards green.

Okay Pantera...here's what has me worried...Miranda as a fighter is ultra confident...& that's all well & good...but we have discussed the fact that he has very little to no defense...scratch that...let's just say that it's very leaky.

It was visible against Eastman & Abraham. They both caught him & hurt him. Abraham had Miranda stunned several times.

Since then...Miranda has been more of a hammer & hit 'em man...& that's worked...but Green can box...& Miranda has issues with boxers finding leaky holes.

The thing is...what if he catches him like Eastman & Abraham did?

Does Green really posess the power to stop him? If so...& he does...this would be considered an upset of upsets & a huge boost for Green...correct?

Anywho...it's against my nature to support a brawler...& it's hard to change them for the better...but McGirt changed Gatti...maybe with the right man in Edison's corner he could adjust his game a bit & come out the better.

It's just a thought.

Again...good first or second third post Mistah Gingok. Welcome home. Keep it clean & you'll love this place.