Thread: Which current active fighter has a more sound legacy than PBF?

Originally Posted by Olympian904

Originally Posted by motorcitycobra

Originally Posted by Olympian904

It sounds to me like your downgrading him for dominating everyone.PBF is NOT a slugger...and thats what people wanna see.

No not at all mate I'm just saying he can go on and fight plenty of other good fighters ie Cotto, Mosley, Hatton, Margo, Spinks etc. and beat them IMO, not rest on his laurels an say thats it I'm done i was the greatest ever. He hasn't properly cleaned the divisions as he says. As for not liking him because he's not a slugger one of the best fights i've watched recently was Winky schooling Tito Feck me that was excellent. Floyds never beat someone that dangerous every round. I appreciate his skills an enjoy watching him fight but i just don't believe his own hype.

I agree with you...you made a good point.Me personally I dont wanna see him fight people who cant beat him.Other than Hatton...I dont wanna see him fight Cotto,Moslery,Margo,Spinks unless they battle each other and one rises to the top...because I see waayy to many flaws in there game.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Great thinking,so you don't think PBF should fight those guys like Shane etc because you see too many flaws in them. But if it was fine to fght Baldo,Judah,Gatti right? Whatever happened to giving a challenger a chance to shine? That IS an important aspect in boxing,if it stopped,boxing would become stagnant! Sorry,I don't meant to just pinpoint you but ALOT of PBF fans so and so isn't worthy etc etc. without thinking about what they are saying and without realising how ridiculous it sounds. Shane could have said that to Winky,Oscar could have said it to Floyd,Kostya could have said it to Hatton etc. See what I mean bro>?

The difference is that Floyd is the p4p best.You cant just walk on a court and expect to challenge Michael Jordan in a 1 on 1 game.Floyd is at that level where he doesnt have to chance anyone now...they have to chase him.Floyd is trying to go up in status not go down.Motorcity I agree that fighters have off days...but Floyd has had 6 "off days" in his entire life.Were any of you impressed with Cotto's last fight?After one fight...you honestly think Mosley is back to the level he use to be at?You honestly think Margo can beat Floyd?
Margo vs Berto =Berto
Mosley vs Cotto =Mosley=the winner take on PBF

Did you honestly think Rachmen could beat Lewis? Do you think many people gave Big George a chance against Joe Fraiser 1st time? Do think anyone thought Rocky could beat Drago? thats the nature of the game an thats why I love it

Those fights were pretty evenly matched....Floyd is just on another level.The only flaw is that he may not have knock out power.The only people that are doubting FLoyd are the ones who want to see him fall...Keep hoping.

I couldn't give a fuck if he falls, I think someone that good is a plus for the sport. As for the others been evenly matched, Foreman was a warm up fight for Joes next fight with Ali an Rachmen was a 18-1 shot and don't even go there with Rocky an Drago

Point blank....if you believe that Cotto,Margo can beat Floyd stop drinking

Originally Posted by Olympian904

Point blank....if you believe that Cotto,Margo can beat Floyd stop drinking

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Originally Posted by Olympian904

The difference is that Floyd is the p4p best.You cant just walk on a court and expect to challenge Michael Jordan in a 1 on 1 game.Floyd is at that level where he doesnt have to chance anyone now...they have to chase him.

So just who did Floyd beat that makes him a better case for p4p than, say, Hatton.

Ricky fought a legend and the "man" for the legitimate light welter title, then unified, then moved up a weight straight in to another title fight and wan then went back down a weight and beat yet another title holder, thats 4 reigning world champs in his last 4 fights, who has Floyd fought in his last 4 fights ?

Originally Posted by ross

Originally Posted by Olympian904

The difference is that Floyd is the p4p best.You cant just walk on a court and expect to challenge Michael Jordan in a 1 on 1 game.Floyd is at that level where he doesnt have to chance anyone now...they have to chase him.

So just who did Floyd beat that makes him a better case for p4p than, say, Hatton.

Ricky fought a legend and the "man" for the legitimate light welter title, then unified, then moved up a weight straight in to another title fight and wan then went back down a weight and beat yet another title holder, thats 4 reigning world champs in his last 4 fights, who has Floyd fought in his last 4 fights ?

P4P embodies everything, not simply who you have fought. It also has to do with how good you are. Floyd is almost unanimously seen as better than Ricky Hatton. And let's stop being naive in thinking a belt holder is automatically a great champion. To this day, Ricky Hatton still has only one convincing win that's worth being proud of.

Originally Posted by El Gamo

Originally Posted by Olympian904

Originally Posted by motorcitycobra

Originally Posted by Olympian904

It sounds to me like your downgrading him for dominating everyone.PBF is NOT a slugger...and thats what people wanna see.

No not at all mate I'm just saying he can go on and fight plenty of other good fighters ie Cotto, Mosley, Hatton, Margo, Spinks etc. and beat them IMO, not rest on his laurels an say thats it I'm done i was the greatest ever. He hasn't properly cleaned the divisions as he says. As for not liking him because he's not a slugger one of the best fights i've watched recently was Winky schooling Tito Feck me that was excellent. Floyds never beat someone that dangerous every round. I appreciate his skills an enjoy watching him fight but i just don't believe his own hype.

I agree with you...you made a good point.Me personally I dont wanna see him fight people who cant beat him.Other than Hatton...I dont wanna see him fight Cotto,Moslery,Margo,Spinks unless they battle each other and one rises to the top...because I see waayy to many flaws in there game.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Great thinking,so you don't think PBF should fight those guys like Shane etc because you see too many flaws in them. But if it was fine to fght Baldo,Judah,Gatti right? Whatever happened to giving a challenger a chance to shine? That IS an important aspect in boxing,if it stopped,boxing would become stagnant! Sorry,I don't meant to just pinpoint you but ALOT of PBF fans so and so isn't worthy etc etc. without thinking about what they are saying and without realising how ridiculous it sounds. Shane could have said that to Winky,Oscar could have said it to Floyd,Kostya could have said it to Hatton etc. See what I mean bro>?

There was an interview on the round table, not sure if you folks seen it or not and Floyd talks about undefeated fighters and fighters who have lost.

He sort of fumbled the conversation because he is not very articulate but it gave us an idea of what and how he thinks as far as choosing his opponents. To me he is nothing more than an opportunist. He lives by the laws of nature and goes after the weakest prey.
Survival of the fittest? No doubt that this is what his fanboys will say but this is not prison and we are not animals. This is boxing. Before I touch on that topic about what he said at the round table, let's take a look at what he said here:
[youtube=425,350]EOSYzIKJFro[/youtube]
"So, you know, we are not fighting to prove
to the boxing fans who..who the best is."

These are his words! Not mine.

Now getting back to what he said at the round table interview. (I would post it but it was removed by boxingscene.com due to COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT)

What did he say?

He said that "boxers who have a loss on their record are beatable. Boxers who don't have a loss on their record can't be beat."

That is what he said.

This would explain why he only has one undefeated fighter on his record. (this is his mentality)
A true fan boy will argue that he also has Roberto Apodaca on his record, which in turn I will laugh in your face. Floyd beat undefeated Diego Corrales but anyone who knows what Diego Corrales was going thru, knows Diego was not at that fight.

IMO Floyd is a Fraud.

Here is hoping he loses so I can watch his career spiral like a duck full of buckshot.

Sound Legacy? What sound legacy. Why sound? How about smelly legacy.

Originally Posted by Danny_G

Originally Posted by El Gamo

Originally Posted by Olympian904

Originally Posted by motorcitycobra

Originally Posted by Olympian904

It sounds to me like your downgrading him for dominating everyone.PBF is NOT a slugger...and thats what people wanna see.

No not at all mate I'm just saying he can go on and fight plenty of other good fighters ie Cotto, Mosley, Hatton, Margo, Spinks etc. and beat them IMO, not rest on his laurels an say thats it I'm done i was the greatest ever. He hasn't properly cleaned the divisions as he says. As for not liking him because he's not a slugger one of the best fights i've watched recently was Winky schooling Tito Feck me that was excellent. Floyds never beat someone that dangerous every round. I appreciate his skills an enjoy watching him fight but i just don't believe his own hype.

I agree with you...you made a good point.Me personally I dont wanna see him fight people who cant beat him.Other than Hatton...I dont wanna see him fight Cotto,Moslery,Margo,Spinks unless they battle each other and one rises to the top...because I see waayy to many flaws in there game.

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. Great thinking,so you don't think PBF should fight those guys like Shane etc because you see too many flaws in them. But if it was fine to fght Baldo,Judah,Gatti right? Whatever happened to giving a challenger a chance to shine? That IS an important aspect in boxing,if it stopped,boxing would become stagnant! Sorry,I don't meant to just pinpoint you but ALOT of PBF fans so and so isn't worthy etc etc. without thinking about what they are saying and without realising how ridiculous it sounds. Shane could have said that to Winky,Oscar could have said it to Floyd,Kostya could have said it to Hatton etc. See what I mean bro>?

There was an interview on the round table, not sure if you folks seen it or not and Floyd talks about undefeated fighters and fighters who have lost.

He sort of fumbled the conversation because he is not very articulate but it gave us an idea of what and how he thinks as far as choosing his opponents. To me he is nothing more than an opportunist. He lives by the laws of nature and goes after the weakest prey.
Survival of the fittest? No doubt that this is what his fanboys will say but this is not prison and we are not animals. This is boxing. Before I touch on that topic about what he said at the round table, let's take a look at what he said here:
[youtube=425,350]EOSYzIKJFro[/youtube]
"So, you know, we are not fighting to prove
to the boxing fans who..who the best is."

These are his words! Not mine.

Now getting back to what he said at the round table interview. (I would post it but it was removed by boxingscene.com due to COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT)

What did he say?

He said that "boxers who have a loss on their record are beatable. Boxers who don't have a loss on their record can't be beat."

That is what he said.

This would explain why he only has one undefeated fighter on his record. (this is his mentality)
A true fan boy will argue that he also has Roberto Apodaca on his record, which in turn I will laugh in your face. Floyd beat undefeated Diego Corrales but anyone who knows what Diego Corrales was going thru, knows Diego was not at that fight.

IMO Floyd is a Fraud.

Here is hoping he loses so I can watch his career spiral like a duck full of buckshot.

Sound Legacy? What sound legacy. Why sound? How about smelly legacy.

CC good post!

Originally Posted by Smashup

I know we've been here before but RJJ imo is not as highly thought of in the UK as some of you may think.
He ducked all our top UK boys year in year out and they were the elite at that time
Think about it

Why didnt your boxers fight James Toney? James called out Benn and Eubank on nationwide telivision on a show in the UK did he not?

How is he a fraud...seriously?lol..this is hilarious.Who has he had the chance to fight...but got scarred?What does he have to prove?When it comes to floyd there is always a negative comment...Who is he suppose to fight?
Accomplishments
Olympic Medalist
Dominated almost every opponent
Most complete fighter of his time

...If he isnt p4p king right now who is?dont say Pac

Originally Posted by Smashup

Floyd will be knocking on the greats door at the very least if he takes Oscar

F*ck no mate, thats toooo damn! close.
He'll be throwing rocks at the window of the greats.........

Originally Posted by ross

Originally Posted by Olympian904

The difference is that Floyd is the p4p best.You cant just walk on a court and expect to challenge Michael Jordan in a 1 on 1 game.Floyd is at that level where he doesnt have to chance anyone now...they have to chase him.

So just who did Floyd beat that makes him a better case for p4p than, say, Hatton.

Ricky fought a legend and the "man" for the legitimate light welter title, then unified, then moved up a weight straight in to another title fight and wan then went back down a weight and beat yet another title holder, thats 4 reigning world champs in his last 4 fights, who has Floyd fought in his last 4 fights ?

He is p4p over Hatton because ...
Speed-PBF
Stamina-PBF
Strength-Hatton
Ring awareness-PBF
Defense-PBF
Experience-PBF
I could go on all day.