Thread: Still think delahoy gonna win

Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65

Those stats mean nothing, you get to any top fighters in a list you get good knockout percentages. Look at their overall record in big fights vs. good fighters.. Yuri boy Campas punches ok ,but his record shows he was a harder puncher than his fights- since he fights tomato cans usually until he steps up. Quartey and Oscar just stared at each other and then when one would land the other saw the opening and they would land glancing blows and cause knockdowns. The Oscar/Shane/Tito/Mayweather era will be known as the era of boxing safety first... the Hagler/Hearns/Leonard/Duran era will be known as the era of warriors. Which era do you think will be remembered in say 2040? It is not about percentages it is about when you have a guy in front of you who can punch, do you take the chance and try and knock him out? Sure Quartey can knock out a tomato can when that guy is sitting there waiting to be stopped. . Tito and Oscar never engaged. yet Tito is a warrior and probably the only one of the whole bunch. I do not put Vargas in there because to me he is not the cream of the crop. He never made it to the big boys. These guys now want to box and win decisions. Oscar has never in my mind had a real chin test which is to his CREDIT. He is elusive. Bernard knew he would be hard to get a chin test so he tested his body. And guess what? He might have been hit on the top of the head or the back of the neck in some fights, but never a clean punch in center ring loaded up. But that lack of commitment hurts him in boxing history. Another Oscar and Shane and Mayweather will be around in a few years under other names with guys from the Olympic Trials and Olympics. Names come and go.. But the fact is Hagler and Hearns made a point of putting exclamations on thier fight. Which makes them more than just another era.. And I have said all along, if Oscar wants to win this fight he has to exert his size advantage and go to war like the guys in the 80s and take it to Floyd early. He has to take the chance and maybe get countered. But the way he fights, he will start off slow and jab and wait for the counter left, and he probably will not get it and floyd will get the rhythm and win a boring decision. Sure Oscar might be aggressive in round one if he hits Floyd a little and Floyd is backing up, but it will not last. Then Floyd will get his rhythm and win a decision like I said. Hence the era the boxing era. But it has not been a really exciting era with Oscar. Not really. He is good looking and fights decent fighters, but he does not put his all into the big fights which could have become iconic.

Dude, seriously, there is a big key in your keyboard with the word "Enter" and an arrow going down and to the left. You should try using it more often.

Oscar wins in round 8 or 9 by KO.

Hairdoo. in 2040 that is a long time from now. Now people know who Oscar is but another good fighter will come along from the Olympics who is good , and this will happen about 4 or 5 times by the time 2040 comes.. Safety first I mean they are throwing punches but not stepping in fully and going for knockouts in fear of getting hit. Hearns and Hagler were going for a knockout in that fight they fought. No doubt .These guys are not the warriors which the fab four were in the 80s. Anyone knows that, and the fact that in 2040 you will need some iconic fight to be remembered means that the fab 4 will be remembered more. They had better fights. Whenever you hear these fights now being talked of as potentially great they are always compared to Hagler,Hearns,Duran,Leonard. Those guys in the 80s were all very different and that helped the fights and styles also. Hagler was a southpaw middleweight who could switch, Hearns was the 6-2 Welt with the big right hand who could box with a jab, Leonard was the boxer who could punch and had great intuitive powers and instincts, Duran was the great lightweight who had good power and knockout instincts and aura... They were all different. The guys now are more similar in background as amatuer boxers. all boxers who had knockouts against lesser opponents, but the fights they fight are all decisions and they are usually pro fights of what they would have been at amatuer. I have not really enjoyed this era like the 80s.. Not by a long shot. I am waiting for an era were the guys come to fight like the 80s guys did. If you tell me this era is like the 80s, I totally disagree as most people do. This fight on Sat. is a good matchup. but the fact Oscar was stopped by Hopkins with a bodyshot says alot. Oscar can win this fight I think because Floyd is not really proven at the high level he can fight. He has sort of cakewalked through his opponents and now he faces a guy who could make it a fight. That is why people are interested. can floyd beat his first real good opponent. I think he can. Although he is small. Oscar has to do what the guys in the 80s did. Go for broke in round one and try and stop FLoyd in a warrior mentally. But he will not. He will box and box and try to counter left him.

If Oscar has the mentally of the greats of the past he would hear the bell for round one and go to work and use aggression. Tuck his chin in and throw punches until the bell sounds. It takes two to tango, but Floyd is considerable smaller than Oscar and Oscar should not let him dictate anything. That is why I mention guys in the 80s. They used these disadvantages to great advantage and did not let a smaller guy do something he shouldn't be doing. Hearns made Duran reach and then countered him and stopped him after using his size for 2 rounds. Oscar cannot beat Floyd like Hearns did Duran since Hearns had a right hand and Oscar doesn't have a right hand, so Oscar has to force the fight to get Floyd to reach in and get countered with the left, which could happen if Oscar's jab lands but I doubt Floyd is that gullible to be caught just because Oscar's jab is landing the first few rounds.. I have been looking at tapes of Floyd and Oscar and comparing Floyd to Gatti and Oscar to Gatti in trying to see how they match up sizewise. And Oscar is alot bigger than Floyd, more than I thought initially. The last 3 days I have tried to study styles and everything else.. And Floyd has short arms and he sort of leans back when he fights in a defensive posture and a long right would work well against him, but Oscar does not have a long right to land unless he has worked on it..But Oscar does have long arms and does have a jab.. My point? Oscar has a significant size advantage over Floyd and Floyd even for a welterweight is small. We will see. The size is a big factor and Oscar could do what the guys in the 80s did and make it a war and see what happens. I do know that Oscar makes himself the size of the guys he fights even if they are shorter and he bends way down since his defense is ducking under the punches, but with Floyd the right hand will come fast. Oscar might be forced into a fight anyway.. Oscar has to come out fighting. I do think that if Oscar is getting nailed by FLoyd I am not sure he takes a beating. He might find a way out like he did with Hopkins. But probably Floyd will win a decision because Oscar will not go to war in round one.

ok mate I see what you are saying regarding the Fab Four but I don't really see the relevance and we will have to agree to disagree about Oscar's place in history. As far as the right hand goes...

Originally Posted by Hairdoo

The overhand right could work ok too, Floyd gets lazy in the middle rounds sometimes and I think even Baldomir could have got a knockdown if he was just a little quicker and extended some more. Baldo only has a 67" reach Oscar has a 73" reach and is 3.5 inches taller, I think Oscars overhand right will get the first knock down.

I'm half inclined to agree on Oscar taking a dive against BHop but don't expect lil'Floyd to make him quit.

I am not sure it was a dive. I just think he really is not accustomed to getting hit with clean clean punches to the head or body, and when Hopkins could not really get anything clean to Oscar's head, since Oscar is so good at avoiding clean punches to the head, he just went downstairs and it worked.

Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65

I am not sure it was a dive. I just think he really is not accustomed to getting hit with clean clean punches to the head or body, and when Hopkins could not really get anything clean to Oscar's head, since Oscar is so good at avoiding clean punches to the head, he just went downstairs and it worked.

"BODY SHOT... BODY SHOT..." that was strange wasn't it.

Facing Floyd is a far stretch from facing Hopkins.

Originally Posted by Hairdoo

Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65

I am not sure it was a dive. I just think he really is not accustomed to getting hit with clean clean punches to the head or body, and when Hopkins could not really get anything clean to Oscar's head, since Oscar is so good at avoiding clean punches to the head, he just went downstairs and it worked.

"BODY SHOT... BODY SHOT..." that was strange wasn't it.

Facing Floyd is a far stretch from facing Hopkins.

It was very strange mate.

Anyway, even if oscar wins does everyone think he should retire and just promote?

DLH win by KO put your house on it
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i already did

I still believe the kid is going to out point Oscar because Oscar has been known to run in the championship rounds lately but with Mayorga he took him before getting there. I haven't seen Oscar looking this good for a long time last time is when he fought Gonzalez I think. Should he unleash that jab he used that night well Id like to see that! Oscar can win this fight I do believe he can when in range he needs to have his hands on Floyd dont matter where. Floyd has never fought anybody like this this will be interesting and I believe Floyd is going to be doing a lot of running showboating trying to get Oscar down with early speed. But Oscar is prepared for a 12 round fight and will be trying not to miss anything!

Originally Posted by Kel

Originally Posted by Hairdoo

Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65

I am not sure it was a dive. I just think he really is not accustomed to getting hit with clean clean punches to the head or body, and when Hopkins could not really get anything clean to Oscar's head, since Oscar is so good at avoiding clean punches to the head, he just went downstairs and it worked.

"BODY SHOT... BODY SHOT..." that was strange wasn't it.

Facing Floyd is a far stretch from facing Hopkins.

It was very strange mate.

Anyway, even if oscar wins does everyone think he should retire and just promote?

Unless Hopkins shows him the blue print on how to beat Wright there is no names out there big enough to motivate him.

There is always a big money fight with Hatton in Manchester, that would be an easy nights pay and would end any criticism for not facing Kostya.

Originally Posted by Hairdoo

Originally Posted by Kel

Originally Posted by Hairdoo

Originally Posted by LegendBoxing65

I am not sure it was a dive. I just think he really is not accustomed to getting hit with clean clean punches to the head or body, and when Hopkins could not really get anything clean to Oscar's head, since Oscar is so good at avoiding clean punches to the head, he just went downstairs and it worked.

"BODY SHOT... BODY SHOT..." that was strange wasn't it.

Facing Floyd is a far stretch from facing Hopkins.

It was very strange mate.

Anyway, even if oscar wins does everyone think he should retire and just promote?

Unless Hopkins shows him the blue print on how to beat Wright there is no names out there big enough to motivate him.

There is always a big money fight with Hatton in Manchester, that would be an easy nights pay and would end any criticism for not facing Kostya.

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i think dhl will most definitely fight wright at 154; just for the money
i c wright winning and then beating the "pretty" off of floyd

I wont put my house on it but Oscar can win this fight if he stays slinging when in range gets busy if the kid has his back on the ropes keeps touching more so on the mug. From the outside its dangerous for them both but think oscar can handle the Mayweather attack. What he must watch is that the kid doesn't still many rounds with his speed in the early rounds or late if speed is to heavy then stay close to Floyd short shots. This is going to be interesting cant wait! ! !

I have not heard much about Oscar not fighting Tsyzu.. He fought enough good guys where I never heard that one. I heard the rumors of Mayweather not fighting Tsyzu.