Thread: Boxing Is About Hitting And Not Getting Hit

Originally Posted by Rick_Rack

CC Icecold boxing

cc back.

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Originally Posted by meowza

Floyd won't get respect until he starts getting hit more.
I just don't get it.

neither do i why do fighters have to take punishment to get respect i just don't get it.

Entertainment factor.

Besides, a lot of people dont get the scoring of todays boxing. More time than not, a relatively noo to boxing will think 'the other' guy won.

Im not saying their right, or wrong. Im just saying that i DO get it.

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

In my book until someone can force Mayweather to fight different Mayweather should continue his style it works best for him and if i was in his shoes i would do too its not Mayweathers fault he is much better than his opp that no one can make him fight differently.

Good point about Mayweather

Dela Hoya was nearly there though. Nearly.
At one section of the fight i thought he was making Floyd look prety ineffective & ordinary. But Dela Hoya faded so it was all lost.

Nearly ay...

Originally Posted by Jimboogie

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

In my book until someone can force Mayweather to fight different Mayweather should continue his style it works best for him and if i was in his shoes i would do too its not Mayweathers fault he is much better than his opp that no one can make him fight differently.

Good point about Mayweather

Dela Hoya was nearly there though. Nearly.
At one section of the fight i thought he was making Floyd look prety ineffective & ordinary. But Dela Hoya faded so it was all lost.

Nearly ay...

cc back he almost done it but it wasn't the night of the jab

Classic!

Originally Posted by luvfightgame

I agree with the title.

To emphasize the HITTING first.... then not getting hit second.

I never give credit to a guy that is focused more on not getting hit than he is on landing punches. The goal is to knockout your opponent. If someone treats it like a basketball game just trying to outscore their opponent, won't win a found on my card.

Exactly. Which is why I absolutely hated the Dirrell-Stevens fight that was on the undercard to Malignaggi-N'Dou last Saturday night. This Dirrell dude was running all over the ring, rarely stopping to throw punches. That he won the decision was more of a testament to Stevens' ineptitude than anything Dirrell himself did. Had I been the ref for that fight, I would've told Dirrell's corner that his fighter had better get with it, or I'd be stopping the fight. I loved how Larry Merchant was all over the fight, dumping on Dirrell every chance he had. But hated how Lennox Lewis (the more I see of his commentary, the less I want to continue seeing him) kept defending the bum, calling his tactics "effective movement." Effective my ass.

Originally Posted by SweetPea

Originally Posted by Gyrokai

Mayweather's real motto:

Boxing is about hitting and avoiding real matchups.





and throw cash at the camera. haha This lame guy is dictating what boxing is all about? heh
Damn... you guys are short-sighted.

Exactly what "real matchups" has he avoided?

It's well documented that he avoided Margarito's 8 million dollar check years before he even stepped in the ring with Oscar. That is as EXACT as it gets. Mayweather says he won't fight him until he fights Oscar, which didn't happen until years after the 8 million offer was made. And with the help of HBO, he managed to steer away from tough young welterweights, like Kermit Cintron, and faced old and done Sharmba Mitchell ? wtf? He's a real bad@ss. Mosely even has the b@lls to face a young and tough welterweight in David Estrada. I was a true hardcore fan, I knew who Estrada was, before he met Mosley. I saw he was one young tough sunuvabiatch with promise. We knew Mosley would win, but it's nice to see how he deals with a young determined talented man. Mayweather should handle fights like Estrada and Cintron, but those are interesting matchups to hardcore fans. (Actually Cintron has a BIG chance now that he's grown as a fighter.) Meanwhile Floyd still turns down a then career high 8 mill in Margarito... who if he's such a chump, then take the money and "easily" win. Then Judah loses in a laughable fight to Baldo, and the pound for pound king says that he's the best choice for "the best" ? wtf ? Well, since Baldomir has matched Mayweather in defeating both Judah and Gatti... that's pretty embarrasing right? This old, clumsy man, who's as fast as mud, has matched you with your best recent wins, right? NOW he HAS to fight HIM! Then he fights Baldo in un-spectacular fashion... or should I say one-punch fashion. During all this time he convinces more people that he's special? He looks special, but has he Done special? What's so special about beating Sharmba? Williams handled him. We all knew Sharmba was old... Well, us that follow boxing closely. As for Judah? What has he really done at 147 if you think about it? Lose for the most part. Then after a while ANY young tough fighter mentioned as an opponent for Mayweather is said to be the wrong choice because Floyd has to make a multi-million dollar deal with Oscar. Man I always knew Oscar fight was a business deal. Now he says he's retired? I'm telling you, HE AVOIDS.

Then he calles Mosley a sparring partner, so he won't fight him?
And he can't fight Cotto because he's retired?

I mean, he has his fans make excuses for him.

Is this the a Pound for Pound number One Boxer? Hellll no. When you talk about Mayweather "MONEY" ALWAYS ends up in the conversation. P4P #1 doesn't depend on making high profile business deals such as Oscar, Gatti, Judah. It's not a popularity contest.


Pacquiao destroyed, dominated, and finished two hall of famers who were healthy enough to fight back. THATS what it takes to make number 1.

CC in 24 Gyro. Excellent because even if one doesnt agree 100% with what you have written,you have used proof. You have made your points well,based mainly on facts.

CC gyro , for what Gamo said rly

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Im not Floyd fan at all but there is more to boxing than toe to toe slugfest sometimes using sweet science is pleasure to watch and these people who are saying Floyd should of brawled more are talking out there a** its funny because if you was Mayweather you would box and hit and not get hit and you certainly wouldn't be brawling a bigger man unless you got screws loose somewhere Whitaker used same tactics as Floyd no one hates him same with Willie Pep i know Floyd can sometimes be jack a** but you can't deny his talent and as my title says thats what boxing is all about.

I think this is a bit simplistic...I think part of it is the damage of punches, and ring generalship and aggression ...If A fighter lands a ton of pitter pat punches but fighter B is pushing the pace, controlling the ring and landing less but harder punches then I tend to give the round to B. I score the ODH/PBF fight 5 round to 7 respectively and would have understood a draw as well. If you are going to fight PBF's style then you have to look real good doing it. That being said I think PB fought a smart fight. He knew that ODH couldn't maintain his early pace for 12 rounds. I think it was risky though. Had ODH not stopped using the jab or landed one or two more big punches I think the fight could have easily gone the other way.

Originally Posted by Poom

CC gyro , for what Gamo said rly

same

IF PBF wants to go with a Legit lagacy he at least has to fight Mosley. One fight that is all he has to do. One more fight!!! a rematch with Oscar won't sell at all trust me I will never pay to see those 2 fighting

Originally Posted by Puya

This is the reason Boxing was so great. This is the reason why Floyd could barely got the peoples recognition of his talents they just are not interested at that kind of boxing. Don't get me wrong I hate the guy but he has an incredible talent. Look a Direll that guy would probably won't fight at HBO again.

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Originally Posted by Puya

Originally Posted by Poom

CC gyro , for what Gamo said rly

same

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Originally Posted by Gyrokai

Originally Posted by SweetPea

Originally Posted by Gyrokai

Mayweather's real motto:

Boxing is about hitting and avoiding real matchups.





and throw cash at the camera. haha This lame guy is dictating what boxing is all about? heh
Damn... you guys are short-sighted.

Exactly what "real matchups" has he avoided?

It's well documented that he avoided Margarito's 8 million dollar check years before he even stepped in the ring with Oscar. That is as EXACT as it gets. Mayweather says he won't fight him until he fights Oscar, which didn't happen until years after the 8 million offer was made. And with the help of HBO, he managed to steer away from tough young welterweights, like Kermit Cintron, and faced old and done Sharmba Mitchell ? wtf? He's a real bad@ss. Mosely even has the b@lls to face a young and tough welterweight in David Estrada. I was a true hardcore fan, I knew who Estrada was, before he met Mosley. I saw he was one young tough sunuvabiatch with promise. We knew Mosley would win, but it's nice to see how he deals with a young determined talented man. Mayweather should handle fights like Estrada and Cintron, but those are interesting matchups to hardcore fans. (Actually Cintron has a BIG chance now that he's grown as a fighter.) Meanwhile Floyd still turns down a then career high 8 mill in Margarito... who if he's such a chump, then take the money and "easily" win. Then Judah loses in a laughable fight to Baldo, and the pound for pound king says that he's the best choice for "the best" ? wtf ? Well, since Baldomir has matched Mayweather in defeating both Judah and Gatti... that's pretty embarrasing right? This old, clumsy man, who's as fast as mud, has matched you with your best recent wins, right? NOW he HAS to fight HIM! Then he fights Baldo in un-spectacular fashion... or should I say one-punch fashion. During all this time he convinces more people that he's special? He looks special, but has he Done special? What's so special about beating Sharmba? Williams handled him. We all knew Sharmba was old... Well, us that follow boxing closely. As for Judah? What has he really done at 147 if you think about it? Lose for the most part. Then after a while ANY young tough fighter mentioned as an opponent for Mayweather is said to be the wrong choice because Floyd has to make a multi-million dollar deal with Oscar. Man I always knew Oscar fight was a business deal. Now he says he's retired? I'm telling you, HE AVOIDS.

Then he calles Mosley a sparring partner, so he won't fight him?
And he can't fight Cotto because he's retired?

I mean, he has his fans make excuses for him.

Is this the a Pound for Pound number One Boxer? Hellll no. When you talk about Mayweather "MONEY" ALWAYS ends up in the conversation. P4P #1 doesn't depend on making high profile business deals such as Oscar, Gatti, Judah. It's not a popularity contest.


Pacquiao destroyed, dominated, and finished two hall of famers who were healthy enough to fight back. THATS what it takes to make number 1.

Its hard to argue Floyds P4P status after beating Oscar but you do make a good point about Floyd treading ultra carefully to the 'top'.

CC Gyrokai. I try to lay of the Floyd bashing but i agree with you mostly