.....I didn't say they would compete with Wladimir ....read my post again

I said and I quote "if a Rocky, Louis, Foreman, Dempsey, Tyson had Wlad hurt, they would have won"

once again buddies that's IF

Originally Posted by Lyle

.....I didn't say they would compete with Wladimir ....read my post again

I said and I quote "if a Rocky, Louis, Foreman, Dempsey, Tyson had Wlad hurt, they would have won"

once again buddies that's IF

If Manny Paqciaou had Tommy Morrison in front of him as hurt and unconcious as he was against Ray Mercer, Manny would probably finish him off. The point is that would NEVER happen, because a fighter so small could never put a good fighter so big in that position, so it's a completely moot point.

Go the fuck on with that shit......now you are just being ridiculous Pac is 130 Tommy was damn 100 pounds heavier than that.


Did you not fucking read the people I had in that quote FOREMAN.....TYSON......oh but they were all too small to hurt anyone.


I suppose all the little guys should just hang up their gloves and let Nicolay Valuev win everything.....could Sam Peter KO him? Sam is a lot smaller than Valuev.

Originally Posted by Lyle

Go the F*** on with that S***......now you are just being ridiculous Pac is 130 Tommy was damn 100 pounds heavier than that.


Did you not F****** read the people I had in that quote FOREMAN.....TYSON......oh but they were all too small to hurt anyone.


I suppose all the little guys should just hang up their gloves and let Nicolay Valuev win everything.....could Sam Peter KO him? Sam is a lot smaller than Valuev.

lmao at you getting mad when the undeniable truth about your overrated idol Marciano is thrown in your face

Rocky is not my idol


and you're being a shmuck....for what reason I don't know.....is it your heavy flow day?

He hit's harder then Dempsey and Marciano but not Foreman or Shavers....The again though Peter has a harder one punch power over Marciano and Dempsey...

Jack and Rocky could land every shot with the same authority...

.....everyone seems to forget Earnie Shavers was only 6'0 tall and 210 pounds.....but I guess that doesn't matter much seeing how SIZE doesn't affect anyone but Rocky and Dempsey

Well I want to bump this up for Skyler and Samson to explain to me how a relatively tiny heavyweight in the form of Earnie Shavers is considered one of the hardest punchers in ANY era of the sport and yet guys like Rocky Marciano, Jack Dempsey, and the much larger JOE LOUIS are not considered (by those forum members) as very hard power punchers.


Please explain to me how that is.....explain to me how Earnie Shavers, the 6'0 210 pound heavyweight was able to startch out the much bigger Ken Norton and floor the much bigger Larry Holmes....both boxing greats.


Also I would like to know how Jess Willard is a no talent bum when he's destroyed by Jack Dempsey but yet he was able to KO Jack Johnson one of the greatest heavyweights ever

Originally Posted by Lionheart Lacy

first i would say watch this fight with peter weighin in at 230ish
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXftL...elated&search=

now here he weighs 240ish
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-jg9...elated&search=

after watching them fights i was in awe of peters power. even when he misses, skims his opponents you can HEAR his power. his is very sharp aswell which makes him even more dangerous.
his shots seem very very very AND VERY HEAVY!

watching these fights i can hear every peter shot and it just makes them look more deadly. i kno dempsey louis marciano foreman and liston hit hard but unfortunetly you cant hear it on their fights like you could hear it on the two above fights.

my question is...do you think peter could punch harder than dempsey, marciano, louis, foreman or liston?
im not sure.

i know for example foreman and liston were murderous punchers but louis, dempsey and marciano who weighed under 200 pound at their best, im not sure if their punch was harder than a samuel peters? what do u think?

The guy is overall, covering all aspects of boxing.. OVERRATED!!!!!!!!!!!!!

CC Duke.....thank God SOMEONE on this thread doesn't have their head up Sam's ass!

Originally Posted by skyler

Originally Posted by Lyle

Bx730NY....Sam Peter couldn't put Wlad away where as if a Rocky, Louis, Foreman, Dempsey, Tyson had Wlad hurt, they would have won.

Sam's chin is pretty good but that has nothing to do with his or Wlad's power....and nor does the fact Sam hit Wlad behind the head......a very HUGE sign that Sammy doesn't hit as effectively as other fighters.



Your dislike of Wladimir has no point in any argument that can go on in here given the topic at hand.

You have GOT to be joking Do you honestly believe that Marciano, Dempsey, or Louis would even be competitive with a 6'6 245 lb fighter like Wlad to begin with (please don't try comparing an un-coordinated, walking tomato can with zero skills like Jess Willard to Wladimir Klitchko).

What utter nonsense!
The difference being that Wladimir Klitschko has a chin made of glass while Marciano, Dempsey and Louis did not.
What has Wladimir Klitschko ever done to get mentioned in the same breath as Joe Louis.
Maybe you should try watching some of these fighters actually fight.
Klitschko is an average Heavyweight- decent technique and size but nothing more.

He may have more power than Dempsey and Louis, but the rest of the guys on that list hit like trucks and I highly doubt Peter could hang with those Monsters. Marciano wasnt the best boxer but he had 2 mean ass hooks. Foreman is strong as an Ox. Liston knocked everyone silly except Ali, he brutalized Patterson twice.

I really don't buy Marciano as the hardest hitter of all time. Maybe P4P one of the hardest hitters of all time, but I think punchers like Shavers and Foreman, who had a lot of "good" weight on him, just hit above and beyond him. Don Cockell stated after the Marciano fight that Marciano wasn't the hardest hitter he fought. I really think it comes down to bias towards the old guys, and boxing fans trying to be "old school". I love Rocky and Louis as much as the next guy, and while I feel that they used their bodies more effectively in the punch, I'll never buy that they hit as hard as guys like Shavers, Foreman, or even Tyson and Peters.

Peter is a Heavyhanded and big guy but his shots are crude swipes.
Dempsey was a very over-rated puncher and a small man.apart from the damage he did to Willard (with allegedly loaded gloves) what were his best ko`s? i think it was Sharkey who said he was "a respectable but not devestating hitter".
anyway back to Peter,i think its crazy to even mention him in the same breath as the truly great punchers.if he is that good how did Klitchko finish their fight,never mind clearly beat him?
apart from Jeremy Williams what impressive KO`s has he scored??
he couldnt even KO Maskaev for chrissake

I think he does hit harder than the smaller HWs of yesteryears like Marciano, Dempsey, Louis, ect. Because lets face it, these guys were just cruiserweights and in some cases Light heavyweights.

I dont think he hits harder than Liston or Foreman though.