Thread: Mundine to upset Kessler?

And to add to that, you really think if it had been Beyer giving the headbutt in Germany he would have got dq. Not in a thousand years....

As i have said previously. Since his first fight against Kessler, Mundine has improved 70%. He is a complete fighter. His defence is extremely similiar to Floyd Mayweather, he has said that. So its hard to hit im in the body, and he can take some hits to the head now he has really strengthened his jaw up. His speed is as quick as ever, easily the quickest puncher in the division. And another thing, the main thing, his power has improved ten fold, watch Danny Green he had him in the 8th and was gonna KO him before the bell. Soliman well he did KO him.

I see this fight happening in Sydney in the next few months, with Kessler getting a 70 30 split, thats what hes been asking.

I only see it going one way though. And the result of that is Anthony Mundine on points. I think its time for this time to wake up and realise, Mundine is the real deal.

And the fact the first time they fought, Kessler couldn't KO the brittle Mundine who lacked the boxing skills he has now, shows Kessler is not unbeatable.

Mundine KO in the 7th or other later rounds. Or probably on points.

Help me Mick i'm getting KO'd on this Mundine V Kessler issue!

Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN

Help me Mick i'm getting KO'd on this Mundine V Kessler issue!

hey third man, i thought u must be from aus cause 99% of his haters are aus.....im in the 1% that recognize his tremendous ability.... and green was whoopin beyer in the first fight and the second well that was over a year later and by that time, beyer had the book on green. but green is one hard man, i think green would give kess and calzaghe a run for there money and mundine made green look like an amature! mundine was quite inexperienced in ist kessler fight with no amature background and still gave the dane a hard fight ! do u not see that mundines improved 10 fold?
and dont take it personal mate, im just shootin the sh!t..............so to speak

I've recently acquired a whole host of Mundine fights and he is superb. He really has come a long way from getting KTFO by Ottke All his losses can be accounted for and he is an excellent fighter but whether he would be Kess is questionable because it's not as if Mikkel has not improved either I'd certainly LOVE to see a rematch because the first fight was competetive for sure,but I'd favour Mikkel It would be close and I certainly like Mundine,in fact both fighters are top top world class fighters.

I'd love love to see Mundine v Calzaghe, a tremendous match up of styles. I havent seen Mundine v Siaca>? Was it a good fight?

Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN

Help me Mick i'm getting KO'd on this Mundine V Kessler issue!

You need no help.... IMO....
your the one doing the KO'ing....


It's easy to say Mundines improved and leave out the fact that Kess hasn't.

IMO, Kess has some road to cover so what does that say about what I think on Mundine.
Kess payed his dues hes fought the contenders and hes fought the former champs. and fought current champs.
Hes time to get his shot as the top man is now, why fight Mundine?
Kess knows he has the big fights coming he needs to focus and prepare well. Down the road after 1 or 2 major fights if Mundines payed his dues then why not have Kess vs. Mundine II.

I really like Mundine. He has a great style and has improved so much in the past couple years. When you consider he started out as an Aussie Rules footballer his progression and skill level really are remarkable.

First off as for whether the fight is valid I say absolutely. When Mundine fought Green it was as an eliminator to fight for Kessler's crown so he's basically been fobbed off for over a year already.

Mundine is a very tough fight for Kessler, he's certainly one of the top 5 or so in the division and it will make for an intriguing fight.

Like El Game I'm not confident enough to say that Mundine will win but I certainly think he has a shot.

I really like both fighters to be honest. It's ironic really that after so many years of being a barren and empty division, since we've all finally crowned Calzaghe as king of the super middleweight division a host of genuine contenders have come along.

With Calzaghe, Kessler, Bute, Froch, Mundine, Lacy, Andrade, Allan Green and possibly soon Jermain Taylor, and with guys like B Hop and Roy Jones still possible opponents I'd say 168 lb is possibly the second hottest division right now after the welterweights.

It seems so bizarre to me that they get so little attention. It's a red hot division now for sure.

Originally Posted by Troy McClure

Originally Posted by THE THIRD MAN

Help me Mick i'm getting KO'd on this Mundine V Kessler issue!

hey third man, i thought u must be from aus cause 99% of his haters are aus.....im in the 1% that recognize his tremendous ability.... and green was whoopin beyer in the first fight and the second well that was over a year later and by that time, beyer had the book on green. but green is one hard man, i think green would give kess and calzaghe a run for there money and mundine made green look like an amature! mundine was quite inexperienced in ist kessler fight with no amature background and still gave the dane a hard fight ! do u not see that mundines improved 10 fold?
and dont take it personal mate, im just shootin the sh!t..............so to speak

First off, i don't hate Mundine. I think his win against Green was a great performance (boxed his ears off) While he has improved and yes he gave Kessler his toughest fight I think Kessler has improved as well. Kessler is a real threat to Calzaghe and a rematch with Mundine won't happen until he gets Joe balls in the ring. IMO Mundine should not be fighting someone ranked 48 in the world in his next fight but there you go! He is good and i recognise this, but the big Kess is one tough Viking!

It is true that the first fight Mundine vs Kessler was competitive, but Kessler had a sever back injury a fact that was concealed till after that match. Kessler said later just before the Bayer fight that this was his hardest fight ever, he said he had faced tougher opponents but due to his back injury his form was only around 50%, so the fight was very hard to get though.

I predict that Mundine will have a harder time in the rematch since we will faces a much improved Kessler, eventhough I am impressed with Mundines latest fights.

Lets settle it in the ring

love the logic you used eagle, green vs beyer 2, beyer was a bad fighter, but just had the book on green ,who was not at his best anymore.. BUT yet here years later, when mundine beats green, THIS is absolutely a remarkebale thing in boxing history.. maybe in australien boxing, but not on the world scene..

the logical equation would be, if the green fight was big for mundine, then beyer was huge for kessler.. but lets not get carried away, mundine beating green is not that big of a deal.. and you keep talking about the winky fight when referring to soliman, so because soliman won max 3-4 rounds against winky, this is the way you judge him, based on a good loss..

both green and soliman er solid fighters, soliman jumping up in weight, and a green a couple of years from prime time, im not saying they are not solid wins, they are, but nothing more then solid..

AND MUNDINE LOOKED GOOD, BUT YOU HAVE TO ASK YOUR SELF THIS, ISNT IT EASIER TO LOOK SHARP, WHEN YOU TAKE A STEP BACK REGARDING YOUR OPPONENTS QUALITY..

but eventhough im of another opinion then you, i agree mundine has improved, but not to the extent that he is a completely new fighter.. those who claimed he lacked confidence the first time, THAT is completely and utter bullshit, 2-3 times he invited kessler in, with his hands hanging low, THIS does not even remotely seems of a man lacking confidence..

now lets talk kessler..

he has had i fights, ko beyer, and shotout of andrade, both good wins, and kessler fights has been at least equally as good as mundine´s

and lets talk some facts, so some of you, know the real deal about their first fight.. kessler has frequently dealth with severe back problems, at one point it looked like it was going to end his career.. he had some problems with it up to the mundine fight.. this resulted in his roadwork was far from great, and even worse his sparring was really low, actually when you compare the amount of round from the mundine fight to the andrade fight, kessler had 5 times as much sparring for the andrade fight.. he sparred aROUND 30 ROUNDS FOR MUNDINE, ,and 150-180 for andrade..

but eventhough this is the case, i will agree that he was prepared, otherwise he shouldnt have fought, but what i am saying, is that kessler was not in his best form, i wouldnt be to much, if i claimed he missed out the last 5-10% of his game..

this is for me the X factor, what happens when kessler brings 100 % to the table..??

im not saying kessler is impossible to beat, i just think that he is better than mundine.. and its not like i think kessler will blow him away.. my opinione 8-4 kessler

to sum up, maybe mundine has improved slightly more then the other smw, due to his lack of amateur background, but les not get carried away.. mundine was also a top fighter 2 years ago, and eventhough he looked good, he has done nothing that has set the division alight..

its one thing looking good against b level opponents, and much harder against a-level..





lets be reasonable here, mundine is absolutely amongst the best in the division, and yes he has improved, but those claiming 1o fold or 70 % you gotta be kidding me..

Originally Posted by greatdane

love the logic you used eagle, green vs beyer 2, beyer was a bad fighter, but just had the book on green ,who was not at his best anymore.. BUT yet here years later, when mundine beats green, THIS is absolutely a remarkebale thing in boxing history.. maybe in australien boxing, but not on the world scene..

the logical equation would be, if the green fight was big for mundine, then beyer was huge for kessler.. but lets not get carried away, mundine beating green is not that big of a deal.. and you keep talking about the winky fight when referring to soliman, so because soliman won max 3-4 rounds against winky, this is the way you judge him, based on a good loss..

both green and soliman er solid fighters, soliman jumping up in weight, and a green a couple of years from prime time, im not saying they are not solid wins, they are, but nothing more then solid..

AND MUNDINE LOOKED GOOD, BUT YOU HAVE TO ASK YOUR SELF THIS, ISNT IT EASIER TO LOOK SHARP, WHEN YOU TAKE A STEP BACK REGARDING YOUR OPPONENTS QUALITY..

but eventhough im of another opinion then you, i agree mundine has improved, but not to the extent that he is a completely new fighter.. those who claimed he lacked confidence the first time, THAT is completely and utter bullshit, 2-3 times he invited kessler in, with his hands hanging low, THIS does not even remotely seems of a man lacking confidence..

now lets talk kessler..

he has had i fights, ko beyer, and shotout of andrade, both good wins, and kessler fights has been at least equally as good as mundine´s

and lets talk some facts, so some of you, know the real deal about their first fight.. kessler has frequently dealth with severe back problems, at one point it looked like it was going to end his career.. he had some problems with it up to the mundine fight.. this resulted in his roadwork was far from great, and even worse his sparring was really low, actually when you compare the amount of round from the mundine fight to the andrade fight, kessler had 5 times as much sparring for the andrade fight.. he sparred aROUND 30 ROUNDS FOR MUNDINE, ,and 150-280 for andrade..

but eventhough this is the case, i will agree that he was prepared, otherwise he shouldnt have fought, but what i am saying, is that kessler was not in his best form, i wouldnt be to much, if i claimed he missed out the last 5-10% of his game..

this is for me the X factor, what happens when kessler brings 100 % to the table..??

im not saying kessler is impossible to beat, i just think that he is better than mundine.. and its not like i think kessler will blow him away.. my opinione 8-4 kessler

to sum up, maybe mundine has improved slightly more then the other smw, due to his lack of amateur background, but les not get carried away.. mundine was also a top fighter 2 years ago, and eventhough he looked good, he has done nothing that has set the division alight..

its one thing looking good against b level opponents, and much harder against a-level..





lets be reasonable here, mundine is absolutely amongst the best in the division, and yes he has improved, but those claiming 1o fold or 70 % you gotta be kidding me..

You make some excllent points,really superb,and in a respectful way. Have a cool click on me brother. I was not too keen on Kessler until the Andrade fight,I mean Andrade is tough but Mikkel totally schooled him and showed he is not 1 dimensional. It was a superb fight.

Kessler vs Mundine... The first go. Mundine didn't lack any confidence. He lacked the fighting skills. Which is the major thing which he now possesses.

Kessler has been a boxer all his life. Mundine only for 5 or so years.

I can't see this fight going any other way than a Mundine win. Hes to quick and to strong.

Kessler is scared and running. He only fights if he gets a 70 - 30 split which he knows is unrealistic in the current boxing world.

Prediction - Mundine asserts his jab early and goes on the attack from the start. Kesslers punches desolve in power as he gets more tired. Mundine closes things with a massive rip to the body of kessler than with a flashy uppercut and several impressive combos.

Mundine TKO.

Then he goes down to middleweight and unifys. His handspeed and power will be to hard for any middleweight to handle i don't care who it is, Mundine was born a middleweight.

Mudine's greatest exploits? - Green & Soliman.

Green is nothing to boast about (it's hard living in Oz and the hype he gets) past his prime and possibly weight drained at the time of the fight - as indicated by the move up in weight since.

Soliman was a blown up Middleweight who Mundine demolished, but lets be fair any challenger ranked as high as Mundine in the Super Middleweight division should do the same.

I think both Kessler and Calzaghe do just as good if not better against both these opponents.

Calzaghe & Kessler are just that bit above the rest of the division, Mundine for all his improvement is in my eyes leading the chasing pack.

Kessler beat Mundine with a bad back. I just don't see Mundine taking it.

Much is being made of Mundines improvement but Kessler has hardly sat on his arse and stayed the same. A fit and improved Kessler beats an improved Mundine all day long in my book.

Originally Posted by greatdane

love the logic you used eagle, green vs beyer 2, beyer was a bad fighter, but just had the book on green ,who was not at his best anymore.. BUT yet here years later, when mundine beats green, THIS is absolutely a remarkebale thing in boxing history.. maybe in australien boxing, but not on the world scene..

the logical equation would be, if the green fight was big for mundine, then beyer was huge for kessler.. but lets not get carried away, mundine beating green is not that big of a deal.. and you keep talking about the winky fight when referring to soliman, so because soliman won max 3-4 rounds against winky, this is the way you judge him, based on a good loss..

both green and soliman er solid fighters, soliman jumping up in weight, and a green a couple of years from prime time, im not saying they are not solid wins, they are, but nothing more then solid..

AND MUNDINE LOOKED GOOD, BUT YOU HAVE TO ASK YOUR SELF THIS, ISNT IT EASIER TO LOOK SHARP, WHEN YOU TAKE A STEP BACK REGARDING YOUR OPPONENTS QUALITY..

but eventhough im of another opinion then you, i agree mundine has improved, but not to the extent that he is a completely new fighter.. those who claimed he lacked confidence the first time, THAT is completely and utter bullshit, 2-3 times he invited kessler in, with his hands hanging low, THIS does not even remotely seems of a man lacking confidence..

now lets talk kessler..

he has had i fights, ko beyer, and shotout of andrade, both good wins, and kessler fights has been at least equally as good as mundine´s

and lets talk some facts, so some of you, know the real deal about their first fight.. kessler has frequently dealth with severe back problems, at one point it looked like it was going to end his career.. he had some problems with it up to the mundine fight.. this resulted in his roadwork was far from great, and even worse his sparring was really low, actually when you compare the amount of round from the mundine fight to the andrade fight, kessler had 5 times as much sparring for the andrade fight.. he sparred aROUND 30 ROUNDS FOR MUNDINE, ,and 150-180 for andrade..

but eventhough this is the case, i will agree that he was prepared, otherwise he shouldnt have fought, but what i am saying, is that kessler was not in his best form, i wouldnt be to much, if i claimed he missed out the last 5-10% of his game..

this is for me the X factor, what happens when kessler brings 100 % to the table..??

im not saying kessler is impossible to beat, i just think that he is better than mundine.. and its not like i think kessler will blow him away.. my opinione 8-4 kessler

to sum up, maybe mundine has improved slightly more then the other smw, due to his lack of amateur background, but les not get carried away.. mundine was also a top fighter 2 years ago, and eventhough he looked good, he has done nothing that has set the division alight..

its one thing looking good against b level opponents, and much harder against a-level..





lets be reasonable here, mundine is absolutely amongst the best in the division, and yes he has improved, but those claiming 1o fold or 70 % you gotta be kidding me..

Would u like a cool clicks bet that the fight is atleast closer than the last, if not a win for Mundine. If it is everything ive said will be true....

Originally Posted by Fatsofatsoman

Mudine's greatest exploits? - Green & Soliman.

Green is nothing to boast about (it's hard living in Oz and the hype he gets) past his prime and possibly weight drained at the time of the fight - as indicated by the move up in weight since.

Soliman was a blown up Middleweight who Mundine demolished, but lets be fair any challenger ranked as high as Mundine in the Super Middleweight division should do the same.

I think both Kessler and Calzaghe do just as good if not better against both these opponents.

Calzaghe & Kessler are just that bit above the rest of the division, Mundine for all his improvement is in my eyes leading the chasing pack.

Kessler beat Mundine with a bad back. I just don't see Mundine taking it.

Much is being made of Mundines improvement but Kessler has hardly sat on his a*** and stayed the same. A fit and improved Kessler beats an improved Mundine all day long in my book.

All i can go from is the improvements from their previous fight. Mundine has improved so much, more than 70% which is the most i have seen a boxer improve. I think its impossible to improve as much as he has. Thats why i think Kessler hasn't progressed like Mundine.

Mundine KO in the 8th