Thread: If Ali Fought Marciano's Opponents and Marciano Fought Ali's Opponents.....

....I think it's evident that Muhammad Ali would be 49-0 with 49 KOs (and probably would have never seen the 6th round). Unfortunately for Mr. Marciano, if he fought the same 61 total fights Ali did, he would end up 40-21, unlike Ali going 56-5. Marciano's losses would be:

Sonny Liston I - KOd in 3
Sonny Liston II - KOd in 1
George Chuvalo I - KOd in 4
George Chuvalo II - KOd in 1
Joe Frazier I - KOd in 4
Joe Frazier II - KOd in 3
Joe Frazier III -KOd in 1
Buster Mathis - UD
Ken Norton I - KOd in 3
Ken Norton II - TKOd in 3
Ken Norton III - KOd in 2
George Foreman - Towel thrown in in 1
Ron Lyle - KOd in 3
Joe Bugner - UD
Jimmy Young - TKO in 6
Earnie Shavers - KO in 1
Leon Spinks I - KO in 7
Leon Spinks II - KO in 3
Alfredo Evangelista - UD
Larry Holmes - KO in 5
Trevor Berbick - KO in 5

Originally Posted by smashcrusher

....I think it's evident that Muhammad Ali would be 49-0 with 49 KOs (and probably would have never seen the 6th round). Unfortunately for Mr. Marciano, if he fought the same 61 total fights Ali did, he would end up 40-21, unlike Ali going 56-5. Marciano's losses would be:

Sonny Liston I - KOd in 3
Sonny Liston II - KOd in 1
George Chuvalo I - KOd in 4
George Chuvalo II - KOd in 1
Joe Frazier I - KOd in 4
Joe Frazier II - KOd in 3
Joe Frazier III -KOd in 1
Buster Mathis - UD
Ken Norton I - KOd in 3
Ken Norton II - TKOd in 3
Ken Norton III - KOd in 2
George Foreman - Towel thrown in in 1
Ron Lyle - KOd in 3
Joe Bugner - UD
Jimmy Young - TKO in 6
Earnie Shavers - KO in 1
Leon Spinks I - KO in 7
Leon Spinks II - KO in 3
Alfredo Evangelista - UD
Larry Holmes - KO in 5
Trevor Berbick - KO in 5

Sonny Liston I - ROCKY TKOED in 6
Sonny Liston II - ROCKY TKOED IN 8
George Chuvalo I - 12 UD FOR ROCKY
George Chuvalo II - 12 UD FOR ROCKY
Joe Frazier I - ROCKY TKOED IN 6
Joe Frazier II - ROCKY TKOED IN 8
Joe Frazier III -ROCKY TKOED IN 10
Buster Mathis - ROCKY WINS BY KO
Ken Norton I - NORTON KOED IN 1
Ken Norton II - NORTON KOED IN 1
Ken Norton III - NORTON KOED IN 1
George Foreman - ROCKY TKOED IN 2
Ron Lyle - ROCKY WINS WILD SLUGFEST BY 6
Joe Bugner - ROCKY WINS BY KO IN 2
Jimmy Young - JIMMY YOUNG BY UD
Earnie Shavers - UMM TOUGH ONE I LIKE ROCKY BY KO IN 4
Leon Spinks I - ROCKY WINS BY KO IN 1
Leon Spinks II - ROCKY WINS BY KO IN 1
Alfredo Evangelista - ROCKY WINS BY KO IN 1
Larry Holmes - HOLMES WINS BY UD
Trevor Berbick - ROCKY WINS BY KO IN 3

Originally Posted by smashcrusher

....I think it's evident that Muhammad Ali would be 49-0 with 49 KOs (and probably would have never seen the 6th round). Unfortunately for Mr. Marciano, if he fought the same 61 total fights Ali did, he would end up 40-21, unlike Ali going 56-5. Marciano's losses would be:

Sonny Liston I - KOd in 3
Sonny Liston II - KOd in 1
George Chuvalo I - KOd in 4
George Chuvalo II - KOd in 1
Joe Frazier I - KOd in 4
Joe Frazier II - KOd in 3
Joe Frazier III -KOd in 1
Buster Mathis - UD
Ken Norton I - KOd in 3
Ken Norton II - TKOd in 3
Ken Norton III - KOd in 2
George Foreman - Towel thrown in in 1
Ron Lyle - KOd in 3
Joe Bugner - UD
Jimmy Young - TKO in 6
Earnie Shavers - KO in 1
Leon Spinks I - KO in 7
Leon Spinks II - KO in 3
Alfredo Evangelista - UD
Larry Holmes - KO in 5
Trevor Berbick - KO in 5

And you sir no nothing about boxing.

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Originally Posted by smashcrusher

....I think it's evident that Muhammad Ali would be 49-0 with 49 KOs (and probably would have never seen the 6th round). Unfortunately for Mr. Marciano, if he fought the same 61 total fights Ali did, he would end up 40-21, unlike Ali going 56-5. Marciano's losses would be:

Sonny Liston I - KOd in 3
Sonny Liston II - KOd in 1
George Chuvalo I - KOd in 4
George Chuvalo II - KOd in 1
Joe Frazier I - KOd in 4
Joe Frazier II - KOd in 3
Joe Frazier III -KOd in 1
Buster Mathis - UD
Ken Norton I - KOd in 3
Ken Norton II - TKOd in 3
Ken Norton III - KOd in 2
George Foreman - Towel thrown in in 1
Ron Lyle - KOd in 3
Joe Bugner - UD
Jimmy Young - TKO in 6
Earnie Shavers - KO in 1
Leon Spinks I - KO in 7
Leon Spinks II - KO in 3
Alfredo Evangelista - UD
Larry Holmes - KO in 5
Trevor Berbick - KO in 5

Sonny Liston I - ROCKY TKOED in 6
Sonny Liston II - ROCKY TKOED IN 8
George Chuvalo I - 12 UD FOR ROCKY
George Chuvalo II - 12 UD FOR ROCKY
Joe Frazier I - ROCKY TKOED IN 6
Joe Frazier II - ROCKY TKOED IN 8
Joe Frazier III -ROCKY TKOED IN 10
Buster Mathis - ROCKY WINS BY KO
Ken Norton I - NORTON KOED IN 1
Ken Norton II - NORTON KOED IN 1
Ken Norton III - NORTON KOED IN 1
George Foreman - ROCKY TKOED IN 2
Ron Lyle - ROCKY WINS WILD SLUGFEST BY 6
Joe Bugner - ROCKY WINS BY KO IN 2
Jimmy Young - JIMMY YOUNG BY UD
Earnie Shavers - UMM TOUGH ONE I LIKE ROCKY BY KO IN 4
Leon Spinks I - ROCKY WINS BY KO IN 1
Leon Spinks II - ROCKY WINS BY KO IN 1
Alfredo Evangelista - ROCKY WINS BY KO IN 1
Larry Holmes - HOLMES WINS BY UD
Trevor Berbick - ROCKY WINS BY KO IN 3

I'm speaking reletivaly to the sense that the fights would occur in the same order as Ali's, and vice versa, i.e., Rocky Marciano, at the tail end of his career, ain't knocking out a young Leon Spinks or a young Trevor Berbick.

Although I do feel these guys would KO Marciano

Liston
Foreman
Frazier
Holmes
Norton(perhaps)

The rest of you list is like a Screen door on a Submarine though....

If Marciano fought Ali's opponents,he would NOT have been unbeaten and Ali fought Marciano his legacy would not be as good but he'd be undefeated too.

Originally Posted by JT Rock

Although I do feel these guys would KO Marciano

Liston
Foreman
Frazier
Holmes
Norton(perhaps)

The rest of you list is like a Screen door on a Submarine though....

I agree with the original post that Ali would be 49-0 with 49 KOs, but realistically, I don't think Marciano would be able to complete the 61 fights Ali fought, as I too think Liston, Foreman, Frazier, Holmes, and Norton would KO him, and in all likelyhood they would be brutal KOs, so bad in fact (and I'm not trying to be funny here) that afterwards he would be unable to be sanctioned to fight in any state.

I can't think of too many heavyweights who wouldn't be 49-0 with 49 knockouts with Marciano's opponents.

I think Rocky-Frazier would have been a great fight to watch. Possibly one of the best wars ever, regardless of the winner.

Liston by KO
Frazier by KO
Foreman by KO
Holmes by UD

Other than those four he would have beaten or gone very close to the rest.
I can't see Spinks or Berbick beating Marciano.
I see him struggling with Cooper!

Rocky wouldn't lose to Liston....just my opinion

Rocky would BLAST Patterson away

Originally Posted by skyler

I can't think of too many heavyweights who wouldn't be 49-0 with 49 knockouts with Marciano's opponents.

Well obviously there was only one who could do it at the time.....I can't think of anyone having trouble with Tyson's opponents either....in fact I think Rocky could have beat them too: Tillis, Bruno, Spinks, OLD Larry Holmes, Green.

Rocky-Shavers would be a battle......as would Rocky-Quarry......and Rocky-Frazier

Originally Posted by Lyle

Rocky wouldn't lose to Liston....just my opinion

Rocky would BLAST Patterson away

Originally Posted by skyler

I can't think of too many heavyweights who wouldn't be 49-0 with 49 knockouts with Marciano's opponents.

Well obviously there was only one who could do it at the time.....I can't think of anyone having trouble with Tyson's opponents either....in fact I think Rocky could have beat them too: Tillis, Bruno, Spinks, OLD Larry Holmes, Green.

Originally Posted by Lyle

Rocky wouldn't lose to Liston....just my opinion

Rocky would BLAST Patterson away

Originally Posted by skyler

I can't think of too many heavyweights who wouldn't be 49-0 with 49 knockouts with Marciano's opponents.

Well obviously there was only one who could do it at the time.....I can't think of anyone having trouble with Tyson's opponents either....in fact I think Rocky could have beat them too: Tillis, Bruno, Spinks, OLD Larry Holmes, Green.

Realistically, that OLD Larry Holmes was a lot better than the old Louis, Charles, and Walcotts that Marciano beat. I think the Holmes that beat Mercer and gave Holyfield a good fight would have even beaten Rocky. He did the best he could in his era, noone can take that from him... But he would have been slaughtered if he had faced even the fighters that he did beat when they were at their best HW condition.

You would have to give marciano an extra 30 pounds. He would be considered light heavyweight today. If the rock weighed 220 or 230 he would have killed most of ali's opponents.

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Originally Posted by smashcrusher

....I think it's evident that Muhammad Ali would be 49-0 with 49 KOs (and probably would have never seen the 6th round). Unfortunately for Mr. Marciano, if he fought the same 61 total fights Ali did, he would end up 40-21, unlike Ali going 56-5. Marciano's losses would be:

Sonny Liston I - KOd in 3
Sonny Liston II - KOd in 1
George Chuvalo I - KOd in 4
George Chuvalo II - KOd in 1
Joe Frazier I - KOd in 4
Joe Frazier II - KOd in 3
Joe Frazier III -KOd in 1
Buster Mathis - UD
Ken Norton I - KOd in 3
Ken Norton II - TKOd in 3
Ken Norton III - KOd in 2
George Foreman - Towel thrown in in 1
Ron Lyle - KOd in 3
Joe Bugner - UD
Jimmy Young - TKO in 6
Earnie Shavers - KO in 1
Leon Spinks I - KO in 7
Leon Spinks II - KO in 3
Alfredo Evangelista - UD
Larry Holmes - KO in 5
Trevor Berbick - KO in 5

And you sir no nothing about boxing.

I second that notion. 49-0 with 49 knockouts? What the fuck? There is no doubt in my mind that Ali would probably go 49-0 fighting the same guys Rocky did, but stopping them all? I don't know about that, Ali wasn't exactly a huge knockout artist like Rocky...

I agree about SOME of his losses though. I believe Rocky would be beaten by guys like Frazier and Liston. I believe Foreman would DESTROY Marciano. I believe wholeheartedly that Larry Holmes would outbox Marciano and win a dominant Unanimous decision.