Thread: US Military - Boxing training manual

And Lee was incredibly inovative at the time,not only in his training of caucasians,but also in his understanding of a simple fact,and one at the time only one other person agreed with him .
You arent JUST training an art form
The person your training needs to defend themselves with what your teaching,dogmatism is useless against a well aimed trash can

I'm not attacking your opinion, it's irrelevant. From what I noticed is how Bruce Lee's footwork and punching has changed. Before he drew from the manuals you could see from the training footage that he through WIng Chun punches, his footwork was also unorganised before his boxing influence. I read an account from Lewis who was one of his students saying how he spent hours at a time practicing footwork and incorporating the boxing punches. Balance was an interest as with all his attributes but it wasn't a single obssesion more like a culmination of elements. Fencing has a lot of positives, to discount them is simply being closed minded. Each style is constricted by it's own form, such as many people are through their own bias and opinions.

Personally I'd rather be an "al la carta" fighter, the bigger the menu, the more I can use.

What's your point.

Originally Posted by Chris N.

I'm not attacking your opinion, it's irrelevant. From what I noticed is how Bruce Lee's footwork and punching has changed. Before he drew from the manuals you could see from the training footage that he through WIng Chun punches, his footwork was also unorganised before his boxing influence. I read an account from Lewis who was one of his students saying how he spent hours at a time practicing footwork and incorporating the boxing punches. Balance was an interest as with all his attributes but it wasn't a single obssesion more like a combinations. Fencing has a lot of positives, to discount them is simply being closed minded. Each style is constricted by it's own form, such as many people are through their own bias and opinions.

Personally I'd rather be an "al la carta" fighter, the more I can use, then the bigger the menu.

Ever see the SCA?
Youd see where Id discount fencing,mind Fencing is part of it,but we discount the guys who only do that
Trust me son,I know very well what a gorget is,I have 4 different ones
I know what a halbred is,
I own a bacinet
My son is named after the king of the Visigoths
I know more different styles then just about anyone i know,thats not being cocky,that just is
Your 19 years old and cocky
Im alot older
You try to discount me,but Ive spent my whole life abtaining martial knowledge,and guess what? Ive had longer to do it.
The origin of the white and the black belt.
Novices where handed white belts,over time they dirtied as they studied

Easy Monkey, don't get me wrong I'm not shooting you down. You outta know that you're entitled to your opinions without worrying about what I think. I've been an objective enough not to accept things at face value, it's not too much learn what's out there, and to ask "Why?" I haven't criticized you, I've just put down what I know. Who's to say what's true and what really matters?

Cheer up, I'll give you a raincheck for a drink . No disrespect intended you just put the safety back on your halbred or bacinet back on safety before I have to take out my 9th dan dirty blackbelt and finish this mano y mano.

By the way your son's name is Al right? They did a special on the History Channel. And you're right I am Cocky, don't let that bother you, it's just further proof I have an opinion and enjoy a good joke.

Originally Posted by Chris N.

Easy Monkey, don't get me wrong I'm not shooting you down. You outta know that you're entitled to your opinions without worrying about what I think. I've been an objective enough not to accept things at face value, it's not too much learn what's out there, and to ask "Why?" I haven't criticized you, I've just put down what I know. Who's to say what's true and what really matters?

Cheer up, I'll give you a raincheck for a drink . No disrespect intended you just put the safety back on your halbred or bacinet back on safety before I have to take out my 9th dan dirty blackbelt and finish this mano y mano.

By the way your son's name is Al right? They did a special on the History Channel. And you're right I am Cocky, don't let that bother you, it's just further proof I have an opinion and enjoy a good joke.

Welp those are indeed my sons names first two letters
Funny I allways thought of myself as an intellectual
But Im allways studying a martial style,I can rarely think of a time when I wasnt
My aunt said to me recently"You must get that from your fathers side"

Were not on about Bruce Again are we .

Originally Posted by Scrap

Were not on about Bruce Again are we .

It was a blow by,were on to much more obscure things now

Well I don't consider myself intellectual, and anyways who doesn't have something to learn. If that was the case we'd all get busy dieing because if life is our textbook then after it must come our final exam. I wonder if God gives multiple choice because there's more than one route a person can go.

An ego makes people blind to other things out there, if we can't get past our egos then how are we to really learn, especially when it comes to learning from others where some humility is required. Now if you're a martial arts nut then you can appreciate this quote: "How can you expect to learn unless you first empty your own cup."

Originally Posted by Scrap

Were not on about Bruce Again are we .

I said that we shouldn't make a discussion out of it, now look what happened.

Originally Posted by Chris N.

Well I don't consider myself intellectual, and anyways who doesn't have something to learn. If that was the case we'd all get busy dieing because if life is our textbook then after it must come our final exam. I wonder if God gives multiple choice because there's more than one route a person can go.

An ego makes people blind to other things out there, if we can't get past our egos then how are we to really learn, especially when it comes to learning from others where some humility is required. Now if you're a martial arts nut then you can appreciate this quote: "How can you expect to learn unless you first empty your own cup."

1 step towards greatness
Accept those whove achieved
I make my fighters watch tape,constantly
A constant litinaly for Ali is,"If you ever try that,Ilkill you myself"
Some people are ,just special
Rather then try to downgrade their specialness,create your own,that we can all see,and all ackowledge

It's strange, my sense of humor usually back when there's a misunderstanding and when I'm trying to put out the fires. I guess I owe you one Monkey, I'd share a shot of rum that I keep under my bed saving it for a hard day.

Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Originally Posted by Chris N.

Well I don't consider myself intellectual, and anyways who doesn't have something to learn. If that was the case we'd all get busy dieing because if life is our textbook then after it must come our final exam. I wonder if God gives multiple choice because there's more than one route a person can go.

An ego makes people blind to other things out there, if we can't get past our egos then how are we to really learn, especially when it comes to learning from others where some humility is required. Now if you're a martial arts nut then you can appreciate this quote: "How can you expect to learn unless you first empty your own cup."

1 step towards greatness
Accept those whove achieved
I make my fighters watch tape,constantly
A constant litinaly for Ali is,"If you ever try that,Ilkill you myself"
Some people are ,just special
Rather then try to downgrade their specialness,create your own,that we can all see,and all ackowledge

Understand that greatness is bestowed to you by others, not by yourself.

My favorite story with Ali is when Ali was a young pro before he met Angelo Dundee, anyways he's riding the train from Louiville through Missouri/Mississippi, and he was driving his handlers mad to say the least. In places where whites didn't look kindly to a black kid with a big voice Ali couldn't stop himself from sticking his head right out the train window to exclaim "I Am The Greatest", his handlers were real upset telling him to get his head back inside and keep quite or they'll lynch us. How'd I loved to have seen the look on their faces... Priceless.

In boxing you need ability to go far, but you won't go anywhere without hard work and determination. Boxing is about sacrifice, and constant learning. Without progress you'd be the same person that you were earlier. There's also more to learning from great men besides their exploits and skills but in the way that they conduct themselves outside of their professions.

Look how you've made me talk, I hope you get something out of this.

Hey guys,
Does anybody have any other interesting reading material they can post a link to or email? Such as Jim Driscoll's Straight left and how to cultivate it or the old US Navy boxing manual? i found some scans of the art of boxing online and am enjoying checking out these old books. anybody?

There's no scans of Jim Driscoll's book and the Navy boxing manual that I am aware of. If you're interested in them try ebay, amazon or a used book store that specializes in boxing.