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It's easy for us to automatically assume that anything modern is 'better' and more effective than anything that has gone on before, especially when it is as long ago as John L.
One of the real difficulties in comparing fighters from different eras is that the sport itself has changed so much to be almost unrecognisable from the old-timers day. (If you look at the history of writing: mud, stone tablets, papyrus, paper, typewriters to word processors (for example), you could take a word processor and put it next to a piece of mud and they bear absolutely no resemblance to each other ...... but actualy, progress has been a series of smaller incremental changes when you look at it objectively.
In Sullivan's day, they used hardly any bandage or padding on their hands, wrestling and rabbit punching was allowed, there were no standing eights, referees never stopped fights, there was no neutral corner, a round only ended whan someone fell over, there was no set scheduled distance for a fight, there were no formal decisions (the law forbade any fight to end in a decision as it was illegal, so many fights were NDs - it was the newspapers who printed their own journalists views on who won and the betting syndicates paid out according to the newspapers).
Compare that to now, and the sports are absolutely different. If it were not for the years and years of incremental change that have happened, they should not even be called the same thing.
Modern boxing, with it's set timings, rules of engagement and (crucially) the amount of hand protection have changed that. Most serious injuries are now caused by blunt trauma to the head - ie the well-protected hands of a fighter thumping into and moving an opponent's brain. In Sullivan's day, there was much more facial injury and damge as the hands were not as protected (thus the blows had a sharper impact - pressure being area x force - so fighters fought to protect their hands as well as inflict damage.
Sullivan's style looks a bit comical today, but I think if you took a modern boxer and asked him to fight under Sullivan's rules using his 'modern' stance and style, John L. would knock him into next week. The old style would maybe be more effective in a streetfight too (?) as modern bareknuckle fighters use the 'old' stance. If the new style was more effective they would be using it.
Equally, if you took Sullivan and asked him to fight in his style against a modern boxer under modern rules, John L. would be outworked, outpointed and probaly battered to defeat.
IMO, anyway.
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