Thread: How many people here still believe that Cotto is ONE DIMENSIONAL?

Honestly Majesty you sound like Starr.

He's not one dimensional. He beat up Cotto and Quintana both from the outside and in.. It's not like he had to be on the inside, he did it both ways. He has a very well rounded attack, AND he can go southpaw. That's not one dimensional.

When he gets beat, it's going to be because someone was a better fighter not because he is one dimensional.

And SweetPea is right, don't see him going any farther then 147. There is no reason to.

Originally Posted by amat

One dimensional and the term "boxer" are way overused. Fighters like Zahir Raheem and Cory Spinks are NEVER called one dimensional and praised as great pure boxers when in fact Cotto is way more rounded then they are.

One dimensional seems to only apply to a come forward fighter so I don't bother with the term without elaborating on it.

I agree.

Spinks performance against Taylor was one dimensional bullshiet.

What is so hard about throwing a jab and then running the rest of the fight?

This just goes to show you that Taylor has a hard time chasing fools around.

Cotto does not have a problem chasing these little running men like Maligf@ggi and Judah.

Something to think about.

Imagine if Miguel Cotto started only jabbing and pop shooting?
Would this make Miguel Cotto something special? LOL
Hell no! This would make Miguel a little running man too.

Is there anyone who thinks Cotto can't just Jab and pop shot and run?
lol

He was landing that jab at will against Judah and against Maligf@ggi and no one has been able to do it quiet like Cotto has against these two running boys.
Maligf@ggi has never been dropped and was undefeated and Judah had never been busted up like Cotto busted him up.
Both got owned.

Ok.

I give up.

Miguel is one dimensional.

LMAO.

What was said?

Cotto can not handle a fast boxer like Maligf@ggi.
Then it was Cotto can not handle a fast and powerful puncher like Judah.
Now we are talking about Margarito.
We shall cross that bridge when we get there.

Danny CC for great points

I think in general, pounchers are described as one dimensional and boxers as dynamic. Personally I think this is total BS. I hated when people use to call Tito one dimensional. He had great power in both hands, nice movement, used the jab well and was very accurate and economical with his pounches. He only lossed to the very best at the time.

Cotto, however, is more dynamic than Tito. He switches stances very effectively and his jab is excelent. We have seen him come out on top against bangers like Torres and pound on slick boxers like Magic Man (Please don'e ask me to spell his name) and Judah. Now it's time to see how he does against a bigger, stronger Margarito (if he gets past Williams, which is a very big if).

Originally Posted by Danny_G

What is about Miguel Cotto that would make people still believe he is ONE DIMENSIONAL?

What makes him one dimensional?

The fact that he is always pressing the fight? Always going forward? Never running? What is so hard about running away? What is so hard about running and just throwing jabs all night?
Does anyone think Cotto could not do this if he wanted to?

The fact remains that Cotto throws about 80 to 100 punches per round.
I don't call this being one dimensional. I consider this consistency.
He does not waste many of his punches. That is called precision.
He does not try to rush things. That is called patience.
He can be hurt, wobbled and rocked but he knows what to do if and when it occurs. I would call this an instinct and awareness. Even when he is out on his feet, he still does the right things necessary to regroup and continue fighting and get right back into the fight.
He goes to the body, he goes to the head, he switches from left to right but it's not exaggerated and wont stay in the unorthoxed style long enough to let his opponent adapt.
You can't stop him if he is cut. He is hard to frustrate and very hard to take him out of his game plan.
He is not as slow as people claim he is. The only draw back I see in him is that he likes to take risks. Judah was popping his azz with beautiful left uppercuts and Cotto just kept going forward. Judah has destroyed many fighters with this uppercut. You would have to think if Miguel's chin was really made of glass, two things should have happend. Cotto should have got knocked out and or got scared of trying. It would have made me think twice about charging in. But it was not the case with Miguel.
Judah tried flurries and would miss. Cotto can move. You just don't hit him with every shot you are throwing and in the process, while you are trying to throw and spill your load he is there bobbing and weaving and will fire back. He wont just sit back and let you unload on him. There is no rope a dope in his manuscript. He will for the most part always make sure you don't out point him. If you throw 200 punches, he will try and throw 250 and be the one with more accuracy at the end of the punch stats.
We have yet to see everything this kid is made of. I have watched all of his fights on numerous occassions and in every fight he always does something new or different and I guess this is all depending on who he is fighting. I would have to say that he is very teachable and knows how to stick to a gameplan that was developed before a fight.

Knowing all of this, how does this make Miguel Cotto one dimensional? Was this started because Paulie began to say it and then Judah began to say the same thing?

Was this just something people thought saying made them sound knowledgeable?

Zab Judah said no one outside of the Latino community knew who Miguel Cotto was.
I don't care if they know me or not said Miguel. Come June 9th. You are going to know who I am Judah.


Now I am not saying this kid is perfect. Far from it.
He has flaws, there are chinks in his armor.

When he get's knocked the phuk out he will change his ways.
Until then, he will continue to take risks and will do his best to make sure that the fight is not left in hands of the judges.

I am sure he thinks along the lines of Huerta.
I would have rather got knocked the phuk out then to have been robbed the way I was robbed.

Cotto = 100% entertainment.

You will always get a bang for your buck!


I might have left somethings out here and there. You guys know I am not long winded and I like posting silly pictures and videos more than I do typing.

If anyone cares to elaborate and or point out some of his flaws or strengths that I did not touch on in detail, please by all means...Knock yourself out.

he is a good fighter with power and determination. I want to see him fight Margarito or Shane to see what he really has.. Zab still had a weak chin..

Oddly enough...I never knew that Cotto was being labled as a 1-D fighter.

I had heard the Trinidad comparisons being made...& that disgusted me due to the fact that Trinidad (IWO) is definently a 1-D fighter. Tito folds when his power fails him...he totally seems to forget the meaning of the word "defense" & it's painfully apparent when he's thrown in with a boxer with a game plan.

The same can not be said of Cotto.

Cotto can go toe to toe with boxers & punchers & that is impressive.

Again...I had never heard Cotto being labled 1-D.

If I were to try & lable Cotto's issue...it'd be that he's often an "ICP" & that will cost him in the future when he continues to step up the talent.









































































































































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I just can't understand how can someone watch Cotto since his early days and call him 1-D so the only thing can come to my mind either is sore looser because of the beating he gave Judah or just a simple HATER!!!. I know another SC ( Bring IT) but it has to be said.

Originally Posted by Danny_G

What is about Miguel Cotto that would make people still believe he is ONE DIMENSIONAL?

What makes him one dimensional?

The fact that he is always pressing the fight? Always going forward? Never running? What is so hard about running away? What is so hard about running and just throwing jabs all night?
Does anyone think Cotto could not do this if he wanted to?

The fact remains that Cotto throws about 80 to 100 punches per round.
I don't call this being one dimensional. I consider this consistency.
He does not waste many of his punches. That is called precision.
He does not try to rush things. That is called patience.
He can be hurt, wobbled and rocked but he knows what to do if and when it occurs. I would call this an instinct and awareness. Even when he is out on his feet, he still does the right things necessary to regroup and continue fighting and get right back into the fight.
He goes to the body, he goes to the head, he switches from left to right but it's not exaggerated and wont stay in the unorthoxed style long enough to let his opponent adapt.
You can't stop him if he is cut. He is hard to frustrate and very hard to take him out of his game plan.
He is not as slow as people claim he is. The only draw back I see in him is that he likes to take risks. Judah was popping his azz with beautiful left uppercuts and Cotto just kept going forward. Judah has destroyed many fighters with this uppercut. You would have to think if Miguel's chin was really made of glass, two things should have happend. Cotto should have got knocked out and or got scared of trying. It would have made me think twice about charging in. But it was not the case with Miguel.
Judah tried flurries and would miss. Cotto can move. You just don't hit him with every shot you are throwing and in the process, while you are trying to throw and spill your load he is there bobbing and weaving and will fire back. He wont just sit back and let you unload on him. There is no rope a dope in his manuscript. He will for the most part always make sure you don't out point him. If you throw 200 punches, he will try and throw 250 and be the one with more accuracy at the end of the punch stats.
We have yet to see everything this kid is made of. I have watched all of his fights on numerous occassions and in every fight he always does something new or different and I guess this is all depending on who he is fighting. I would have to say that he is very teachable and knows how to stick to a gameplan that was developed before a fight.

Knowing all of this, how does this make Miguel Cotto one dimensional? Was this started because Paulie began to say it and then Judah began to say the same thing?

Was this just something people thought saying made them sound knowledgeable?

Zab Judah said no one outside of the Latino community knew who Miguel Cotto was.
I don't care if they know me or not said Miguel. Come June 9th. You are going to know who I am Judah.


Now I am not saying this kid is perfect. Far from it.
He has flaws, there are chinks in his armor.

When he get's knocked the phuk out he will change his ways.
Until then, he will continue to take risks and will do his best to make sure that the fight is not left in hands of the judges.

I am sure he thinks along the lines of Huerta.
I would have rather got knocked the phuk out then to have been robbed the way I was robbed.

Cotto = 100% entertainment.

You will always get a bang for your buck!


I might have left somethings out here and there. You guys know I am not long winded and I like posting silly pictures and videos more than I do typing.

If anyone cares to elaborate and or point out some of his flaws or strengths that I did not touch on in detail, please by all means...Knock yourself out.

Here is my take on it:

There is something primal about fighters who track their opponents. With a savage incoming style that destroyed his opponents’ bodies, Julio Ceasar Chavez was one and so was Roberto Duran. They were seek and destroy fighters who defined this style during their respective reigns of terror. They would begin the chase as soon as the bell rang cutting off the ring and getting closer and closer until they made initial contact.

Said Johnny Ortiz, “Julio’s track them down and execute style of fighting will live on in fistic lore, whenever the greats are brought up in discussion, you can make book the name of Julio Caesar Chavez will be right there at the top of the list. It is only befitting for … ‘El Leon de Culiacan!”

Duran did the same. Who can forget his systematic invasion of Davey Moore’s privacy, his unwanted contact, his brutal execution?

Unlike stalkers, fighters like Duran and Chavez didn’t spend much time observing their opponent’s actions. They started the chase early and moved in for the kill as soon as they saw an opening. Pipino Cuevas (pre-Hearns) was a classic tracker who instilled fear in his opponents and rendered them vulnerable with his trip hammer left hooks. He then dispatched them without further adieu.

This brings us to 2007 and Miguel Cotto with his monster 83% KO percentage and particular brand of “track them down and execute style” of fighting. With a backdrop of “Cotto! Cotto!" and "Puerto Rico! Puerto Rico!" rocking the arenas and stadiums in which he does his work, he has enhanced his reputation at the hands of such tracked and destroyed fighters as Zab Judah, Carlos Quintana, Kelson Pinto, Oktay Urkal, Gianluca Branco (stopped for the first time in his career), Mohamad Abdulaev, Randall Bailey and Cesar Bazan.

What’s more, Cotto is an equal opportunity executioner as he moves in with his hands high in a semi-peek-a-boo style looking for openings to land his malefic body shots. Whether his opponent is Mexican, American, Columbian, Puerto Rican, Panamanian, German, Uzbek, Italian, Brazilian, Australian, Ugandan, or Dominican, Cotto is an incoming force who continually attacks until his foe can no longer continue.

Cotto, Pavlik, Darchinyan, Duran, Cuevas and Chavez seem to belong to a special club. Marvelous Marvin Hagler used to have a motto to wit: “destruct and destroy,” and that in and of itself ensures his inclusion. Sure, he was tentative against Leonard and Duran, but not against the other sixty guys he beat.

One thing is certain, I enjoy watching Cotto, Darchinyan and Pavlik do their thing. With all due respect, I enjoy it a hellava lot more than watching Mayweather, Taylor, Briggs and Malignaggi do theirs.

hey danny ,

nice post right there CC

there are always going to be someone that thinks negative of cotto so i wouldn't worry about it

I am one who strongly believes Miguel Cotto is the more one dimensional fighter out there and I am not ashamed to say it in light of his brutal win over Zab Judah or of his undefeated record and WBA welterweight Championship... Some may say he's a throwback to the old warriors but that says nothing in itself, he doesn't bob and weave whe he rushes in, he doesn't move his body swiftly and is so slow getting off doing so that anyone with a decent defense can figure him out in the 1st quarter of the fight... The problem being, yes, the fact that figure him doesn't mean they can beat him cause he'll come swinging all night long, he'll get hurt but if you cannot finish him like I thought Zab would do Cotto keeps coming relentlessly and can be a major pain in the ass... He's a great performer and I do give him credit as one of the 4 or 5 best welters in the world today but the assertion that he's versatile is wrong, Mayweather would out-maneuvre him, Mosley would outpunch him and outclass him, Tony most probably would just beat him in his own game, I do wish Miguel most luck cause he's a great individual and he should pick Cotto to keep shining ...

Originally Posted by Danny_G

Originally Posted by amat

One dimensional and the term "boxer" are way overused. Fighters like Zahir Raheem and Cory Spinks are NEVER called one dimensional and praised as great pure boxers when in fact Cotto is way more rounded then they are.

One dimensional seems to only apply to a come forward fighter so I don't bother with the term without elaborating on it.

What is so hard about throwing a jab and then running the rest of the fight?

How hard is it to catch someone in such a small space?

Obviously I meant Cotto may still shine if he fights someone like Ricky in a natural. Now, how come someone other than a Cotto fan say he can fight in many different ways? He just comes in, head in between his large shoulders, his chin glued to his chest and looking down to his opponent's feet, and his motion is the kinda swinging and unleashing massive hooks to the head and body with the rotation of his muscled trunk, doesn't matter if he rotates fast or slow or if he combines upstairs and downstairs often enough, he still doesn't have any other approach... The counter left that Judah caught him with in the 2nd round of their meeting is one of the many evidences of the one dimensionality, Miguel just walked into the punch and Zab controled the distance behind his right shoulder before he tagged him, how come Miguel is able to make Shane or Floyd miss, that's right, they'll be testing Cotto's chin all night long and from different angles 2...

Miguel Cotto is very good at all facets of the game...his jab is powerful...he moves his head very well(when he wants to)...and his power is probably the best p4p right now, he's the best body puncher out there

Although I don't think Cotto is one dimensional. I also don't think being one dimensional is a bad thing in and of itself. Like Merchant said once about Tito "He is like a pitcher with a 100m/h fast ball, what are you going to do about it"

There are other dimensions also. I'll give you an example. You know who I always considered one dimensional...Winky Wright. Yes I said Winky. All he does in all his fights is keep his hands up with those abnormally large forearms covering him from his forehead to his nut sack and lets the other fighter bang away until he gets tired or stops to think on what to do. Then he throws a jab or a 1-2. Rinse and repeat after that till the other guy gets frustrated and punches himself out then you see Winky go to work. This would be equivalent to a pitcher with a great knuckleball, what are you going to do about it.

This is not a bad thing. He is extremely effective at it. He is also smarter than most other fighters out there. He figured out a low risk way to beat everybody. He'll end up rich and in the HOF with hardly a scar on him.









For those of you who are still in disbelief, yes I SAID WINKY IS 1 DIMENSIONAL. Bring on the SCs I can take it.

Being one demensional is only a bad thing when you dont have a plan B.

Loads of fighters have a certain lack of variation to them. And yes Winky is definately one of them.... Although he's never really needed a plan B

Some fighters are naturally 1-Dimensional but most are just made to look that way when they are simply not as classy as they need to be against superior opposition.




For me Cotto only suffers from being a bit one-paced.
Although... I would be interested to see how he squares off against someone like Clottley or Margarito (Im choosing to ignore the Torres fight... Where he just fought through the loosing exchanges.... simply giving Cotto the benifit of doubt that he was still a little green & maybe he underrated Torres slightly).

I wouldnt call him 1-D at the moment. And if i did, it wouldn't be in a derogatory sense of the word becuase Cotto is a bit of a wrcking ball right now

Originally Posted by The Rookie Fan

Although I don't think Cotto is one dimensional. I also don't think being one dimensional is a bad thing in and of itself. Like Merchant said once about Tito "He is like a pitcher with a 100m/h fast ball, what are you going to do about it"

There are other dimensions also. I'll give you an example. You know who I always considered one dimensional...Winky Wright. Yes I said Winky. All he does in all his fights is keep his hands up with those abnormally large forearms covering him from his forehead to his nut sack and lets the other fighter bang away until he gets tired or stops to think on what to do. Then he throws a jab or a 1-2. Rinse and repeat after that till the other guy gets frustrated and punches himself out then you see Winky go to work. This would be equivalent to a pitcher with a great knuckleball, what are you going to do about it.

This is not a bad thing. He is extremely effective at it. He is also smarter than most other fighters out there. He figured out a low risk way to beat everybody. He'll end up rich and in the HOF with hardly a scar on him.









For those of you who are still in disbelief, yes I SAID WINKY IS 1 DIMENSIONAL. Bring on the SCs I can take it.

Well, if Merchant said it it must be right, eh?