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    22.07.07 - By Alden "The Kid" Chodash: Universally recognized as the best fighter today in the sport, Floyd Mayweather often puts himself beyond our modern era by claiming that he is the greatest boxing fighter of all time.

    He is one of four fighters who have ever won titles in five separate weight divisions. Mayweather's beaten twelve world boxing champions in his illustrious career, maintained his status as the pound for pound best for two years now, and has also kept intact a perfect record of 38-0 (24). So why can't Mayweather very well be the greatest fighter in the history of the ring. In thinking, I have compiled a list of the all-time greats who reined supreme in each of the five divisions in which Floyd has competed:

    Super Featherweight:

    Alexis Arguello: Arguello may not have looked impressive consistently in a fight, but he always had a purpose in everything he was doing, which is particularly the reason he won titles in three divisions against tremendous opposition. Although his punch will always keep him from being counted out in a bout, Alexis was vulnerable to footspeed and handspeed and when they are combined, as they were in his two bouts with Pryor, Alexis turned from a first class caliber opponent to a second class one. Unfortunately for him, Mayweather would combine handspeed and footspeed as well, and if anything, probably better than Pryor. Therefore, I'd pick Mayweather to win on points.

    Azumah Nelson: Nelson might of been one of the greatest thinkers in the whole history of the sport. A very smart, patient fighter who systematically broke down the majority of his top-flight opposition, almost did the same to a living legend in Salvador Sanchez in only the Ghanaian's fourteenth bout. Nelson, like Arguello was susceptible to speed, and when a fighter can move as well as Mayweather, Nelson goes into his methodical stalking approach as he did in his unsuccessful lightweight title bid against Pernell Whitaker, which would be perfect for Floyd to operate. In a more difficult affair (than one with Arguello would be), Floyd wins a decision.

    Lightweight:

    Joe Gans: Joe Gans, I believe, might be the greatest fighter of all time. He overcame unneeded adversity out of the ring that not only shortened his life, but should have severely limited any fighter's performance in the ring before his bout with Battling Nelson, and not only won the bout, but in the 42nd round! Imagine Floyd, or any other fighter today under those circumstances. The perfectly conditioned Mayweather was showing signs of fatigue against De La Hoya in only the 12th round. But other than that event, Gans was a marvel in the ring, whose relaxed style was not only ahead of his time, but probably was good enough to handle the best fighters of our era, and I think that includes Mayweather. Gans' stiff left jab I believe would pave the road to a victory and his head would do the rest (Let's not forget that Gans was often called a real genius in the ring). I'd pick Gans by decision if it went twelve. If it went 42, he'd win in about the 15th.

    Roberto Duran: If you're trying to imagine a way the great Duran could defeat Mayweather, you have to think back to 1981 when Duran wrested the welterweight crown from Ray Leonard, who is extremely similar to Floyd, from the neck down. What separates Mayweather from Leonard is that Floyd can cope with adversity in a much more calm, relaxed manner. And don't get me wrong, Mayweather would definitely be facing adversity against Duran. But did you see the way Leonard easily handled Duran in the rematch by moving instead of fighting. I believe Mayweather can emulate that style and win a decision. But if he decides to fight with Duran as Leonard did in their first bout, I think Mayweather wins as well. Remember, Mayweather is extremely difficult to nail in close quarters as well.

    Light-Welterweight

    Julio Cesar Chavez: Chavez, maybe the greatest fighter in the history of Mexican boxing, is another fighter who plays into Mayweather's style of fighting. Chavez's will to win is enormous, but Mayweather, like Whitaker, can keep the crowd out of a fight, and refuse to let his adversary grab the momentum. I know many say Chavez was past his prime by the time he fought Whitaker and was given a boxing lesson, but in Chavez's finest hour, he was soundly beaten up by Meldrick Taylor, a quick fighter who abandons defense. Mayweather wins the way Whitaker did, except hopefully the judges would have got it right.

    Welterweight

    Ray Robinson: I think if there was one fighter who could have soundly beaten Mayweather, other than Gans, it would be Robinson. Robinson, who has every right to call himself the greatest fighter ever, would have used his jab to keep Mayweather on the outside, his speed would allow himself to catch Floyd coming in, and his punching power would make Mayweather more respectful in the ring of any fighter as he has ever faced. Mayweather would have his moments, but they'd be too scarce for him to have a chance at victory. Robinson on points.

    Pernell Whitaker: Think back to Mayweather's victory over Zab Judah in April of '06. Before Judah mentally broke down in the ring, he was handling Floyd like no man has ever handled him before. Why? Because of his usefulness of the southpaw stance, handspeed, and defense. Aren't those all in Whitaker's repertoire? And also, Whitaker definitely portrays those aspects much better than Zab does. It's hard putting two fighters so oftenly compared in the ring together but if they were, Whitaker would have prevailed via decision in a fight not much more exciting than a chess match.

    Junior-Middleweight

    Emile Griffith: Griffith was about as smooth as they come. A picturesque fighter who could uncork a big one, but didn't do that often enough to be portrayed as a puncher. Griffith, like many other fighters on this list, had trouble with fellow movers such as Luis Rodriguez, Jose Napoles, and Benny Paret. Although Griffith was awful swift in there, Mayweather would find kinks in his armor, capitalize, and take home a points win.

    Let the arguments begin.........

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    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ cc ,well robinson would have to wear bigger gloves lmao, im jus making excuses cuz i like floyd forgive me, but in all reality i pretty much agree wit it except i dont think ray robinson would be keeping him off wit a jab i think he would be using the jab to come in

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    Fantastic read!!!

    I do think that a prime Duran would beat PBF but who knows! Especially when you look at Mayweathers' battles against JLC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by taansend
    Fantastic read!!!

    I do think that a prime Duran would beat PBF but who knows! Especially when you look at Mayweathers' battles against JLC.
    I think Mayweather is too fast and too good on defensive for Duran remember how Laing outboxed Duran i don't think Duran was that great with movers or fast fighters imo bro Mayweather would pop him with the jab and land them famous straight right hands and left hooks and make Duran miss a whole alot winning a 12 ud Mayweather makes you miss on inside and outside im not saying it would be cakewalk but Mayweather has the style to beat Duran and i actually think he would frustrate Duran aswell because its hard to land clean punch on Mayweather and Duran would get frustrated trying to land a clean blow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the phenom
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ cc ,well robinson would have to wear bigger gloves lmao, im jus making excuses cuz i like floyd forgive me, but in all reality i pretty much agree wit it except i dont think ray robinson would be keeping him off wit a jab i think he would be using the jab to come in
    back bro.

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    While some of it is a good read, I don't for a second believe that some of the answers aren't down to a rose tinted view of past fighters. Floyd may be the best I've ever seen and it pains me to say that.

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    i think hearns needs to be added there, his hight, reach, speed and power combined would of really been a massive test for floyd

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    Quote Originally Posted by Preme
    i think hearns needs to be added there, his hight, reach, speed and power combined would of really been a massive test for floyd
    As you can see from the picture in my profile im big Floyd fan but that would be little too much for Floyd i think Hearns is too tall and has amazing power Mayweather would have to get on inside against Hearns which would be hard to do even though Mayweather has great defense Hearns is very quick and Mayweather would struggle to get on inside and also the danger of Mayweather trying to catch Hearns and get close to him is that Hearns has that straight right hand that could ko Mayweather if it hit him flush i think Mayweather would beat him if he could get close question is though how would Mayweather get close he is so much smaller in height.

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    I agree with most of the article (I've never seen Joe Gans fight, so I can't comment on that) except for the Whitaker/Judah comparison.

    Judah's power blows Whitaker's out of the water. Period.
    I think that makes a huge difference in the way that an opponent like Mayweather's adjusts after a few rounds, or so. Zab hits real hard and has serious ko power, Pernell scored knockdowns by catching guys off balance, and/or coming from crazy ass angles.


    I'm a Judah fan, and having said that, if fights were 6 rounds instead of 12......................


    Judah would be the one of the greatest of all time.


    I find it hard to go by Judah's so called "handling of Mayweather," becaused I think that was Mayweather's first fight against a legitimate welterweight (I don't count Mitchell as a legit ww) and chalk up the first portion of that fight as Mayweather figuring out Judah more than anything else. Zab didn't start "losing his head," until Mayweather started owning him. Judah seemed pretty focused when he was winning


    If this Mayweather vs. Whitaker fantasy fight came about, I'd say it would be one of those fights that would be real hard to score (ala Delahoya vs. Trinidad) but Mayweather wins a disputed, wide decision due to the ridiculous scoring of the judges. When in reality he may of won by a round or two, or most fans may have said it should have been a draw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frozensolid_702
    I agree with most of the article (I've never seen Joe Gans fight, so I can't comment on that) except for the Whitaker/Judah comparison.

    Judah's power blows Whitaker's out of the water. Period.
    I think that makes a huge difference in the way that an opponent like Mayweather's adjusts after a few rounds, or so. Zab hits real hard and has serious ko power, Pernell scored knockdowns by catching guys off balance, and/or coming from crazy a** angles.


    I'm a Judah fan, and having said that, if fights were 6 rounds instead of 12......................


    Judah would be the one of the greatest of all time.


    I find it hard to go by Judah's so called "handling of Mayweather," becaused I think that was Mayweather's first fight against a legitimate welterweight (I don't count Mitchell as a legit ww) and chalk up the first portion of that fight as Mayweather figuring out Judah more than anything else. Zab didn't start "losing his head," until Mayweather started owning him. Judah seemed pretty focused when he was winning


    If this Mayweather vs. Whitaker fantasy fight came about, I'd say it would be one of those fights that would be real hard to score (ala Delahoya vs. Trinidad) but Mayweather wins a disputed, wide decision due to the ridiculous scoring of the judges. When in reality he may of won by a round or two, or most fans may have said it should have been a draw.
    Yea and to be honest i don't think Judah and Whitaker are that much a like except there both southpaw other than that there quite a bit different in my eyes Judah done good in first 4 rounds then Mayweather adjusted and started giving Judah a boxing lesson Whitaker and Mayweather are hard to split i think Floyd is faster than Whitaker and he hits harder im not sure about chin department but that doesn't really matter because Whitaker wouldn't have the power to do any real damage on Mayweather and defense ?? well thats also debatable i wouldn't really like to say but i think Mayweather would win very close decision i also think Mayweathers jab is better than Whitaker's and they both would frustrate the hell out of eachother because there would be alot of missing in this fight but i think Mayweather has slight edge and would win close decision.

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    I believe Mayweather would loose to Azumah Nelson, JCC at light welter and below too strong for him. Duran and Whiatker would beat him at lightweight and at Welter he would loose to SRL, SRR, Hearns and Tito and he would also loose to most decent lightimiddles because he is too small such as Terry Norris and Winky.
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    CC ICECOLD - That is a quality article - I will put my opinions shortly, but for once I am actually quite busy lol
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    Good article - well written !! I would not necessarily agree with all the calls made .... I think a prime Duran (who was something like 79-1 during the seventies) would have found a way to beat Floyd, and I would put Tommy Hearns in there as a junior middle who had the right style and attributed to give Floyd his biggest challenge ever ....... but it's a good debate because I think Floyd is genuinely up there with all these guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING
    Quote Originally Posted by Preme
    i think hearns needs to be added there, his hight, reach, speed and power combined would of really been a massive test for floyd
    As you can see from the picture in my profile im big Floyd fan but that would be little too much for Floyd i think Hearns is too tall and has amazing power Mayweather would have to get on inside against Hearns which would be hard to do even though Mayweather has great defense Hearns is very quick and Mayweather would struggle to get on inside and also the danger of Mayweather trying to catch Hearns and get close to him is that Hearns has that straight right hand that could ko Mayweather if it hit him flush i think Mayweather would beat him if he could get close question is though how would Mayweather get close he is so much smaller in height.
    True, Ray actually had to turn into the slugger in their 1st fight to pull out that win. Had Ray not had the power/punch to hurt Hearns & stop him down the stretch, Hearns would have cruised to a decision. I think it was the SI article after that fight & the caption read: "Sugar Ray can hit, man".

    I don't think Floyd has the pop/power to have hurt/stopped Tommy.


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    Mayweather would lose to Gans, Whitaker, Robinson and Duran.

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