Thread: mayweather vs castillo

Originally Posted by brucelee

I do not claim nor do I argue that Pac is number 1. Please go back to my statements and my statements in other posts.I believe that mayweather is number 1 pound for pound. The problem with him being number one is that some people are not really convinced because his fights are sometimes very close. Unlike Pacquaio whose current fights were determined by knockouts and beatings of his opponents. I hope I am not misunderstood here.

I changed my name to diffuse the heat.

smooth

Originally Posted by frozensolid_702

Originally Posted by brucelee

I do not claim nor do I argue that Pac is number 1. Please go back to my statements and my statements in other posts.I believe that mayweather is number 1 pound for pound. The problem with him being number one is that some people are not really convinced because his fights are sometimes very close. Unlike Pacquaio whose current fights were determined by knockouts and beatings of his opponents. I hope I am not misunderstood here.

I changed my name to diffuse the heat.

smooth

cc from me.

Originally Posted by brucelee

CC from me Swice. You have done your research. Dig deeper and you will uncover more.Nice man.I owe you one... I don't forget my debt.

CC returned. And by dig deeper are you referring to Pacquiao losing his belt on the scales for not being able to make weight for his fight with Medgoen Singsurat?

Originally Posted by skyler

Originally Posted by Swice

Originally Posted by skyler

Originally Posted by brucelee

Originally Posted by skyler

Originally Posted by brucelee

Originally Posted by Bukom Battler

Very close fight in which an argument could be made for either fighter depending on how your score the fight. I think Mayweather said he had a shoulder injury. The second time he had no injury and clearly won.

This is probably one of the reasons why there is some doubts on Mayweather being number one. He can't always convince everybody that he has won the fight. Pacquaio, on the other hand, had won his fights convincingly against Morales, MAB, Solis,Ledwaba,etc. Mayweather is very skilled but not very convincing. I love to watch his fights though.

The reason that's a ludicrous statement is the fact that Pacquaio has flat out lost before, more than once. At worst, even if Floyd would have lost the decision in this fight, how would that place Manny above him, considering he also has lost? Not to mention there was no rematch clause in that fight and Floyd immediately gave Castillo a rematch and beat him undisputedly.

Please research well on the statement in bold and italics above. About those Pacquaio's losses before commenting on those losses.Thank you in advance for doing my suggested research.

Manny Pacquaio, KO'd in 3 rounds by Medgeen Singerat

Manny Pacquaio, KO'd in 3 rounds by Rustico Torrecampo

Don't let the door hit you in the @ss on the way out Jean Claude Van Damme (calling you that because an idiot like you doesn't deserve the monikor of a legend like Bruce Lee).

Bye bye now

I think what he was getting at when he told you to do your research was its a well known fact that Pacquiao was KO'ed on a punch that should have been called a low blow in his fight with Rustico Torrecampo. Youtube video below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lNdhQDD6PHs

I'm aware of that my friend. The fact of the matter is that Floyd Mayweather was hit with low blows by Zab Judah(who in case you didn't notice happens to be my all time favorite fighter). The difference, my friend, is that Floyd didn't lay down like a woman in labor and take the 10 count, he instead decided to finish the fight

Point taken. But that was a vicious low blow and looks like he got caught in the leg as well as in the pelvic region. When he gets up he looks totally out of it.

Originally Posted by ACEA

ok i rewatched this fight and it was a damn close fight i scored as impartially as possible so heres my score card.

Floyd 10 10 10 10 9 9 9 10 9 9 10 9 114
Castillo 9 9 9 9 10 10 10 8 10 10 9 10 113

In round 8th i had floyd winning it and with the point deduction it as a 10-8 round in the 10th i had it floyd winning it but scored it level minus the point from Floyd so 10 - 9 round

Castillo clearly won the 11th round he outlanded Mayweather and worked harder than Mayweather in that round and also the 10-8 round you gave Floyd was Castillos round.

Originally Posted by SweetPea

I scored this fight a draw. Floyd clearly won the second fight.

No way was the fight a draw (how was you scoring it? on the loudness of the boos as Floyd ran from Castillo?) and in no way does Floyd winning the second fight mean anything for the first fight which is what the thread is about.

Originally Posted by Kel

Originally Posted by SweetPea

I scored this fight a draw. Floyd clearly won the second fight.

No way was the fight a draw (how was you scoring it) and in no way does Floyd winning the second fight mean anything for the first fight which is what the thread is about.

It's very possible that some scored the fight a draw. If you ask around, you would be hard pressed to find anybody that had Castillo ahead by more than 2 rounds.

Personally, I had Castillo up by one. Like I said before, the fight has never been viewed as such a big robbery. What the big debate was/is the ridiculous scoring of the fight, and I totally agree with that.


BUT



Unlike Ricky Hatton vs. Luis Collazo (also highly contested in case you forgot ), Mayweather gave Castillo a rematch in his next fight and clearly defeated him (that's what a champion does)........ unlike Ricky Hatton who opted to run back down to a lower weight class rather than try to defend his belt.

Originally Posted by Kel

Originally Posted by SweetPea

I scored this fight a draw. Floyd clearly won the second fight.

No way was the fight a draw (how was you scoring it? on the loudness of the boos as Floyd ran from Castillo?) and in no way does Floyd winning the second fight mean anything for the first fight which is what the thread is about.

Well arguement could be made Floyd edged it out he did land the more cleaner punches and possiby won the first 4 rounds he stayed on the ropes too much in later stages in the rematch he learnt his lesson and stayed off the ropes all the time and thats how he was able to beat Castillo quite comfortably by 3 rounds on my card.

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Originally Posted by Kel

Originally Posted by SweetPea

I scored this fight a draw. Floyd clearly won the second fight.

No way was the fight a draw (how was you scoring it? on the loudness of the boos as Floyd ran from Castillo?) and in no way does Floyd winning the second fight mean anything for the first fight which is what the thread is about.

Well arguement could be made Floyd edged it out he did land the more cleaner punches and possiby won the first 4 rounds he stayed on the ropes too much on later stages in rematch he learnt his lesson and stayed off the ropes all the time and thats how he was able to beat Castillo quite comfortably by 3 rounds on my card.

Yep, but he still lost the fight my man Castillo was much more aggressive, landed more punches and deserved the win in my eyes. He worked his bollocks off, I felt really sorry for him.

Floyd won the second fight no question I had him up by about 3 rounds if I remember right. Been a while since I seen it.

Originally Posted by Kel

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Originally Posted by Kel

Originally Posted by SweetPea

I scored this fight a draw. Floyd clearly won the second fight.

No way was the fight a draw (how was you scoring it? on the loudness of the boos as Floyd ran from Castillo?) and in no way does Floyd winning the second fight mean anything for the first fight which is what the thread is about.

Well arguement could be made Floyd edged it out he did land the more cleaner punches and possiby won the first 4 rounds he stayed on the ropes too much on later stages in rematch he learnt his lesson and stayed off the ropes all the time and thats how he was able to beat Castillo quite comfortably by 3 rounds on my card.

Yep, but he still lost the fight my man Castillo was much more aggressive, landed more punches and deserved the win in my eyes. He worked his bollocks off, I felt really sorry for him.

Floyd won the second fight no question I had him up by about 3 rounds if I remember right. Been a while since I seen it.

Well i think he lost too i watched it again today i gave Mayweather the first 4 rounds and some rounds were close but Castillo's effectice aggression is what won it in my eyes he was pressuring Mayweather in later stages and landing some great body shots i had Castillo ahead by 1 but arguement could be made for a draw.


I mean i watched Hatton vs Collazo ages ago and had Hatton winning by a point but i rewatched it lately and had Collazo winning by a point Hatton was very lucky to get razor thin decision in America.

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Originally Posted by Kel

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Originally Posted by Kel

Originally Posted by SweetPea

I scored this fight a draw. Floyd clearly won the second fight.

No way was the fight a draw (how was you scoring it? on the loudness of the boos as Floyd ran from Castillo?) and in no way does Floyd winning the second fight mean anything for the first fight which is what the thread is about.

Well arguement could be made Floyd edged it out he did land the more cleaner punches and possiby won the first 4 rounds he stayed on the ropes too much on later stages in rematch he learnt his lesson and stayed off the ropes all the time and thats how he was able to beat Castillo quite comfortably by 3 rounds on my card.

Yep, but he still lost the fight my man Castillo was much more aggressive, landed more punches and deserved the win in my eyes. He worked his bollocks off, I felt really sorry for him.

Floyd won the second fight no question I had him up by about 3 rounds if I remember right. Been a while since I seen it.

Well i think he lost too i watched it again today i gave Mayweather the first 4 rounds and some rounds were close but Castillo's effectice aggression is what won it in my eyes he was pressuring Mayweather in later stages and landing some great body shots i had Castillo ahead by 1 but arguement could be made for a draw.


I mean i watched Hatton vs Collazo ages ago and had Hatton winning by a point but i rewatched it lately and had Collazo winning by a point Hatton was very lucky to get razor thin decision in America.

Now THAT fight should have been a draw. Collazo really worked in the 12th and had Ricky in a lot of trouble. If Rick never got the knockdown in RD 1 Collazo would have had my vote.

Originally Posted by Kel

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Originally Posted by Kel

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Originally Posted by Kel

Originally Posted by SweetPea

I scored this fight a draw. Floyd clearly won the second fight.

No way was the fight a draw (how was you scoring it? on the loudness of the boos as Floyd ran from Castillo?) and in no way does Floyd winning the second fight mean anything for the first fight which is what the thread is about.

Well arguement could be made Floyd edged it out he did land the more cleaner punches and possiby won the first 4 rounds he stayed on the ropes too much on later stages in rematch he learnt his lesson and stayed off the ropes all the time and thats how he was able to beat Castillo quite comfortably by 3 rounds on my card.

Yep, but he still lost the fight my man Castillo was much more aggressive, landed more punches and deserved the win in my eyes. He worked his bollocks off, I felt really sorry for him.

Floyd won the second fight no question I had him up by about 3 rounds if I remember right. Been a while since I seen it.

Well i think he lost too i watched it again today i gave Mayweather the first 4 rounds and some rounds were close but Castillo's effectice aggression is what won it in my eyes he was pressuring Mayweather in later stages and landing some great body shots i had Castillo ahead by 1 but arguement could be made for a draw.


I mean i watched Hatton vs Collazo ages ago and had Hatton winning by a point but i rewatched it lately and had Collazo winning by a point Hatton was very lucky to get razor thin decision in America.

Now THAT fight should have been a draw. Collazo really worked in the 12th and had Ricky in a lot of trouble. If Rick never got the knockdown in RD 1 Collazo would have had my vote.

Yea i think draw would of been fair Ricky did land more but his punches were bit ragged didn't have much snap to them if you notice Collazo landed clean punches and had nice snap to them Hatton was rocked quite a few times and in the 12th he was lucky it wasn't called a knockdown remember at start of the 12th ?? and that 12th round arguably could of been scored 10-8 i did not score it that way but im saying a case could be made i like Hatton he has some guts on him and sounds a nice fella but me personally i don't think he is the man to beat Mayweather but we will see mate if he can atleast give good account of himself he will earn my and everyone elses respect a hell of alot more and i think USA public will feel the same.

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Originally Posted by Kel

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Originally Posted by Kel

Originally Posted by ICE COLD BOXING

Originally Posted by Kel

Originally Posted by SweetPea

I scored this fight a draw. Floyd clearly won the second fight.

No way was the fight a draw (how was you scoring it? on the loudness of the boos as Floyd ran from Castillo?) and in no way does Floyd winning the second fight mean anything for the first fight which is what the thread is about.

Well arguement could be made Floyd edged it out he did land the more cleaner punches and possiby won the first 4 rounds he stayed on the ropes too much on later stages in rematch he learnt his lesson and stayed off the ropes all the time and thats how he was able to beat Castillo quite comfortably by 3 rounds on my card.

Yep, but he still lost the fight my man Castillo was much more aggressive, landed more punches and deserved the win in my eyes. He worked his bollocks off, I felt really sorry for him.

Floyd won the second fight no question I had him up by about 3 rounds if I remember right. Been a while since I seen it.

Well i think he lost too i watched it again today i gave Mayweather the first 4 rounds and some rounds were close but Castillo's effectice aggression is what won it in my eyes he was pressuring Mayweather in later stages and landing some great body shots i had Castillo ahead by 1 but arguement could be made for a draw.


I mean i watched Hatton vs Collazo ages ago and had Hatton winning by a point but i rewatched it lately and had Collazo winning by a point Hatton was very lucky to get razor thin decision in America.

Now THAT fight should have been a draw. Collazo really worked in the 12th and had Ricky in a lot of trouble. If Rick never got the knockdown in RD 1 Collazo would have had my vote.

Yea i think draw would of been fair Ricky did land more but his punches were bit ragged didn't have much snap to them if you notice Collazo landed clean punches and had nice snap to them Hatton was rocked quite a few times and in the 12th he was lucky it wasn't called a knockdown remember at start of the 12th ?? and that 12th round arguably could of been scored 10-8 i did not score it that way but im saying a case could be made i like Hatton he has some guts on him and sounds a nice fella but me personally i don't think he is the man to beat Mayweather but we will see mate if he can atleast give good account of himself he will earn my and everyone elses respect a hell of alot more and i think USA public will feel the same.

CC, I agree with a large majority of your posts its like I wrote them myself . I can't wait to see the Hatton-Mayweather fight. Personally I think Rick could have beat Mayweather if he was in Castillos shoes that fight, but I think Floyd has improved a LOT since then. I think Floyd wins but I hope Rick does us Brits proud and somehow battles like a bastard to get the win.

I've always said it, boxing's scoring system is never consistent. We see a different fight on TV than those judges see at ringside. Until boxing doesn't come up with a better solution to this, it will never be as popular to the world of sports as it should be. That is why boxing has had a big down fall these past several years because we know that Promoters such as KING and ARUM have a lot to say about judge picking, etc. It's too shady when big fights come around. I think Oscar beat Trinidad, I think Oscar beat Mosley in the second fight, I think Castillo beat Mayweather in their first, I think Quartey beat Forrest and I think Winky beat Taylor. I also think that Whitaker's fight with Oscar should have been alot closer than what the 3 judges had it.

Boxing needs to come up with something better. I think the COMPU BOX stats should have some say into the fight or at least into the rounds that judges find tough to score. I also think we should have more judges. The more, the better, because it's harder to buy off 4 of 7 judges or 3 of 5 than 2 of 3 judges.

HERE IS THE WAY I THINK BOXING SHOULD DO IT. 8-9 JUDGES (3 RINGSIDE, 3 BEHIND A TELEVISION AND at least 2 Working the COMPU BOX stats).
Example (LET'S USE THE OSCAR - PBF FIGHT HERE)

Let's say 2 of the 3 judges at ring side saw it in favor of Mayweather, Mayweather gets that point. Lets say all 3 judges behind a Television saw it in favor of Oscar, than obviously Oscar gets that point. That leads us to what COMPU BOX says. That is going to determine who wins the fight.
Now, If those 3 judges behind the TV would see it all 3 or 2 of 3 in favor of Mayweather, than there is no need to go to COMPU BOX because Mayweather already has won the fight. This isn't impossible. This could easily be done. They just need a comittee of judges who are designed and trained for only the PPV main events or at least the huge fights. That way judges can see what the people at the stadium are seeing, at home and what a computer is seeing.

It's not hard to do and If the BCS for college football is based on a CPU deciding the championship game than why can't boxing use COMPU BOX as a source for scoring a bout?

[/quote] Castillo clearly won the 11th round he outlanded Mayweather and worked harder than Mayweather in that round and also the 10-8 round you gave Floyd was Castillos round.
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i gave the 8th to Mayweather as he was using his jab and making Castillo miss a little bit, Castillo landed a few shots but i guess it you could agrue that either fighter could have won that round. The 11th i felt Mayweather changed the style of the fight as landed a couple of combinations and a few decent shot mot of Castillo's stuff was blocked