i mean many belive hagler beat him and also hearns in the second fight. if he had those 2 losses on his record hw different wud his legacy be??

We could say that about anyone even Sugar Ray Robinson got gift decisions in his career and arguably Ali could have 8 losses on his record Leonard was 3 years ring rust and moved up to fight top 3 Middleweight of all time and won yes it was controversial but he still won by 1 point in my eyes and Hearns draw yes that was a robbery but i like to think Hearns is better over 12 rounds Leonard is better over 15 rounds.


But in no way should that make him overrated.

Benitez
Duran
Hearns
Hagler

Enough said.

What i did not like about Ray Leonard is that he only fought Hearns in rematch when he thought he was shot and he ducked Aaron Pryor.

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In a word... Yes

But only slightly. He was still great and his victory over Hagler despite the controversy is nothing short of amazing given the circumstances.

I truely believe Hearns would've beaten him at any weight over 147.

yes no doubt under the circumstances he faced against hagler ray did incredibly well 2 pull of the victory, only if the rematch was made that wud have bin incredible!!!!!

hearns i believe over 12 rounds wud hav beaten ray both times.and if he had a better chin wud hav beat them allin that era..... oh well sum things were jus not ment 2 b!!!!

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Let's look at the round robin:

SRL W-4 L-1 D-1
MH W-2 L-1
TH W-1 L-2 D-1
RD W-1 L-4

No, SRL was not overrated.

He could be a total prick but he was definitely not overrated. Sure he was in some very close fights...but he never embarrassed himself and fought/won in one of the best era's in boxing.

you could make a case for pretty much every top 10 all time boxer being overrated to a degree...

I personally don't believe SRL was, he was one of the greatest ever.

:yh no doubt he neva embarrsed himself and always lived up 2 his word!!!! coolclick:

If you actually see the fights you'll know it should read

SRL W-2 L-2
MH W-3 L-0
TH W-2 L-2
RD W-1 L-4

No Leonard was not a little overrated. He was a lot overrated

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Numbers don't lie. Oh, I'll give you the draw against Hearns, but remember, he also stopped Benitiz and beat some other pretty good fighters.

I totally agree those SHOULD be the records, but even if Ray lost to MH and in the second TH fight, beating Benitez, Duran, and most importantly, his first defeat of Hearns makes him no more than somewhat overrated.

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I don't think he is overrated but i think he knew what he was doing when he avoided Hagler and Hearns until they were ready to be beat and and he ducked the hell out of Aaron Pyror, but hell a lot of fighters choose this same formula to reach the top.

No way. He could have retired before even fighting Hagler and still be a legend. He was an unbelievably talented fighter like him or not.

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I'm a huge Hagler fan...HUGE.

Honestly...I have never NEVER liked Leonard's persona, but as a fighter he's one hell of an amazing fellar.

I must not listen to too many fight fans...because I have never heard it stated that Hearns won the second fight...NEVER.

Leonard should be respected for his accomplishments...it's just too bad that he kept on fighting past his time.

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olympic gold medalist, 6 divison title holder & having one of the best resumes doesn't seem overated to me. sure his win against hagler maybe controversial to some but fighting the best middleweight in history & in a weight divison he didn't belong & after a long layoff does nothing but only establishes his greatness. I believe the man was the smartest boxer ever, his intelligence to carve out a different fightplan with each opponent & his ability to adapt within a fight when things weren't going his way were truly special.

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