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Swarmer
|   | 6 | 18.75% | |
Boxer
|   | 7 | 21.88% | |
Puncher
|   | 4 | 12.50% | |
Boxer-Puncher
|   | 15 | 46.88% | 
10-21-2007, 07:58 PM
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Punch Power: 2623 | | Re: Swarmer, Boxer, Puncher, or Boxer-Puncher i like boxer punchers. exciting and have skill doing it
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10-21-2007, 08:23 PM
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Punch Power: 2903 | | Re: Swarmer, Boxer, Puncher, or Boxer-Puncher I hear what you are saying, but I think Lewis looked for the KO plenty. Just because he was patience and set guys up like a chess player doesn't mean he wasn't looking for the KO. He softened guys up with his jab, his feints, his changing of speeds, and mental game. I get what you are saying about letting the KO come to him, but I think he made the KO come to him in most cases in subtle ways. He wouldn't try to force a KO that wasn't there and when necessary, he could simply outbox a guy. His decision victories against top competition came to pretty big punchers - Tua, Mercer, and Tucker, and a very hard to KO Holyfield. But look at his early to midround KOs against quality names:
Ruddock - 2, Bruno - 7, Morrison - 6, Golota - 1, Briggs - 5, Grant - 2, Botha - 2, and of course, Rahman - 4. Oh, and the Tyson 8 mercy-kill (he could have KO'd anytime, but wanted to punish him).
78% Wins by KO. To me that's a boxer-puncher. The power was an essential part of his style and greatness. Without that great 1-punch power, he would not have been an ATG. If he had been featherfisted, he couldn't have outboxed a guy like Tua because he Tua would have walked through his punches. If he were are pure boxer, pure boxers don't KO 78% of the guys they face, against top competition.
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10-21-2007, 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by SeanE I hear what you are saying, but I think Lewis looked for the KO plenty. Just because he was patience and set guys up like a chess player doesn't mean he wasn't looking for the KO. He softened guys up with his jab, his feints, his changing of speeds, and mental game. I get what you are saying about letting the KO come to him, but I think he made the KO come to him in most cases in subtle ways. He wouldn't try to force a KO that wasn't there and when necessary, he could simply outbox a guy. His decision victories against top competition came to pretty big punchers - Tua, Mercer, and Tucker, and a very hard to KO Holyfield. But look at his early to midround KOs against quality names:
Ruddock - 2, Bruno - 7, Morrison - 6, Golota - 1, Briggs - 5, Grant - 2, Botha - 2, and of course, Rahman - 4. Oh, and the Tyson 8 mercy-kill (he could have KO'd anytime, but wanted to punish him).
78% Wins by KO. To me that's a boxer-puncher. The power was an essential part of his style and greatness. Without that great 1-punch power, he would not have been an ATG. If he had been featherfisted, he couldn't have outboxed a guy like Tua because he Tua would have walked through his punches. If he were are pure boxer, pure boxers don't KO 78% of the guys they face, against top competition.
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10-22-2007, 12:43 AM
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Punch Power: 30 | | Re: Swarmer, Boxer, Puncher, or Boxer-Puncher There's good and bad types of all that fall under those 4 categories. Generally I love the come forward pressure style JCC, Duran and the like, but I absolutely love guys like Joan Guzman, 01/04 Mayweather, James Toney, Tommy Hearns, Ray Leonard, Meldrick Taylor, Winky, Gatti, Benn, Eubank, B-hop, Winky, RJJ at 160/168 and recently I've been watching Pernell Whitaker religiously that guy was a freak, incredible fighter. I love all styles really.
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10-22-2007, 02:31 PM
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Punch Power: 9312 | | Re: Swarmer, Boxer, Puncher, or Boxer-Puncher Boxer punchers such as the great Alexis Arguello.
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10-22-2007, 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by hitmandonny Boxer punchers such as the great Alexis Arguello. | Another classic example!! | 
10-22-2007, 11:02 PM
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Punch Power: 2463 | | Re: Swarmer, Boxer, Puncher, or Boxer-Puncher I picked boxers.
I find the "swarmer," chest-to-chest phone booth style of fighting to be very boring to watch. | 
10-23-2007, 07:57 AM
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Punch Power: 1763 | | Re: Swarmer, Boxer, Puncher, or Boxer-Puncher I wouldnt call Pavlik a box puncher. He applies to much pressure to be labled that IMO.
These days im 50/50 with the Box Puncher types. They profile and pose too much and generally look bad under pressure. And if they cant drop their bombs with enough frequency, they rarely ever 'up' the tempo. Im speakiung of the Judah, Prince Naz, A. Lee, Haye, Lennox Lewis types.
I voted swarmer btw. Nice to see a bit of intensity 
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10-23-2007, 11:40 AM
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Punch Power: 1209 | | Re: Swarmer, Boxer, Puncher, or Boxer-Puncher Swarmers....nah i dont like hug a thons. Punchers....always exciting but my fav has to be the boxer puncher. They got it all, the speed, power, foot work and the ability to control their opponent. Its like watching a master class of boxing, beautiful.
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