Thread: Cotto Mosley did just over 400,000 buys-thoughts?

It's on boxing talk,Arum mentions it. Pacquiao MAB 2 did 350k. I'm pretty impressed by Cotto-SSM. I initially though it would be 500k but SSM has never been a massive star.For a young fighter,Cotto did dam good and hopefully his stock will keep on rising.

You have to understand this too...Novemebr was a big month for boxing...We had Calzaghe/Kessler....Vargas/Mayorga...and wasn't Mormeck/Haye PPV?.....With it being so close to the holiday season the average fan is not going to spend 200 on PPV's most just picked one...so0 that may have been a big factor...added with the Mosley not being a huge PPV draw and Cotto outside of the sport has little exposure.....Seems low to us for two fighters of that caliber but then again we are die hards

Originally Posted by El Gamo

It's on boxing talk,Arum mentions it. Pacquiao MAB 2 did 350k. I'm pretty impressed by Cotto-SSM. I initially though it would be 500k but SSM has never been a massive star.For a young fighter,Cotto did dam good and hopefully his stock will keep on rising.

This is an Arum lie. Notice that HBO did not issue their usual press release.

An industry source told me that the fight did WAY less. A tad under 300K.

Previous Arum lies: He said that Margarito-Gomez did about 100K. It did 35K.
Arum said that Cotto-Judah did 225K. It actually did 180K.

I understand why Bob does that. It benefits Arum to make his fighter seem like more of a draw than he really is. He is trying to create a successful "brand". Kinda like when the record company buys back a bunch of their artists' cd's.

But you should not believe the Arum numbers. Only trust the industry nums.

Originally Posted by DIOS DOMINICANO

Originally Posted by El Gamo

It's on boxing talk,Arum mentions it. Pacquiao MAB 2 did 350k. I'm pretty impressed by Cotto-SSM. I initially though it would be 500k but SSM has never been a massive star.For a young fighter,Cotto did dam good and hopefully his stock will keep on rising.

This is an Arum lie. Notice that HBO did not issue their usual press release.

An industry source told me that the fight did WAY less. A tad under 300K.

Previous Arum lies: He said that Margarito-Gomez did about 100K. It did 35K.
Arum said that Cotto-Judah did 225K. It actually did 180K.

I understand why Bob does that. It benefits Arum to make his fighter seem like more of a draw than he really is. He is trying to create a successful "brand". Kinda like when the record company buys back a bunch of their artists' cd's.

But you should not believe the Arum numbers. Only trust the industry nums.

Buy stats are available for your cable company...Though I do agree they are a bit inflated by some promoters they have to keep it in reason....

Originally Posted by Daxx Kahn

Buy stats are available for your cable company...Though I do agree they are a bit inflated by some promoters they have to keep it in reason....

What complicates the accuracy of the reporting is the final rollup from all the RBOC's. For example, The initial nums for TWA was 2.15 mil. And then it rolled up to 2.4 mil.

The most accurate reports SHOULD be from the distributor (Time-Warner) or from an industry data source (AC Nielsen). The promoter is your LEAST reliable source.

The general perception, for example, is that Cotto-Mosley packed out MSG. In truth, there were tons of empty seats. When Shane fought Collazo, the arena was 60% EMPTY.

There are very few legitimate, consistent draws in the sport. Cotto isn't one of them.

Just shows how popular Oscar is OUTSIDE hardcore fans.

Between 400,000 and 200,000 - reported, taking into consideration DIOS DOMINICANO's post - seems to be the standard for ALL these PPVs.

Oscar hit 900,000 for Mayorga and 2 million for Floyd.

Originally Posted by Fenster

Just shows how popular Oscar is OUTSIDE hardcore fans.

Between 400,000 and 200,000 - reported, taking into consideration DIOS DOMINICANO's post - seems to be the standard for ALL these PPVs.

Oscar hit 900,000 for Mayorga and 2 million for Floyd.

Please allow me to share PPV history:

Delahoya-Mayweather: 2.4 MIL

Tyson-Holyfield 2: 1.99 MIL

Tyson-Lewis: 1.8 MIL

Tyson-Holyfield 1: 1.59 MIL

Tyson- McNeely: 1.55 MIL

Holyfield - Foreman: 1.4 MIL

DelaHoya-Trinidad: 1.4 MIL

Tyson-Bruno: 1.37 MIL

Tyson-Ruddock 2: 1.25 MIL

Holyfield-Lewis 1: 1.2 MIL

Holyfield-Douglas: 1.06 MIL

Tyson -Selden: 1.01 MIL

DelaHoya- Hopkins - 1.0 Mil

DelaHoya - Mosley 2 : 975K

Tyson- Ruddock 1: 959K

DelaHoya- Vargas - 940K

DelaHoya-Mayorga - 935K

Holyfield-Bowe 1: 929K

Delahoya-Whitaker: 720K


Tyson-Botha: 700K

DelaHoya - Mosley : 585K

Delahoya- Quartey: 570K

Delahoya-Camacho: 560K

Delahoya-Chavez 2: 525K

Trinidad- Wright: 520K

Trinidad - Vargas: 520K

Trinidad-Hopkins: 475K

Tyson-Golota: 450K

Lewis/Tua - 420K

Jones-Tarver 3 : 415K

Mosley-Vargas: 415K

Taylor-Hopkins 2: 410K

DelaHoya - Castillejo: 400K

Mayweather-Judah : 400k

Delahoya-Sturm: 380K

Mosley- Vargas 2 375K

Taylor-Hopkins : 370K

Gatti-Mayweather: 360K

Trinidad-Joppy: 350K

Lewis - Grant: 350K

Hopkins- Tarver: 350K

Delahoya-Campas: 350K

Morales- Pacquiao 3: 360K

Morales- pacquiao 2: 350k

Morales-pacquiao: 340K

Mayweather- Baldomir: 340K

Delahoya-Gonzales: 345K

Morales- Barrera 1,2,3: 300k-330K each

Delahoya- Ruelas: 330K

Hopkins – Wright : 305K

Delahoya- W. Rivera: 240K

Mosley/Estrada & Margarito/Cintron: 225K

Barrera – Marquez: 225K

Delahoya-G. Hernandez: 220K

Cotto – Judah: 180K

Ruiz-Golota: 175K

Barrera-Juarez: 165K

Jones, Jr- Harding: 125K

Klitschko- Williams: 120K

Barrera-Peden: & Mosley/Cruz 110K

Cotto-Malignaggi : 90K

Barrera-Fana: 75K

Rahman-Maskaev: 60K

Margarito-Gomez: 35K

Jones – Hanshaw – 24K

Originally Posted by El Gamo

It's on boxing talk,Arum mentions it. Pacquiao MAB 2 did 350k. I'm pretty impressed by Cotto-SSM. I initially though it would be 500k but SSM has never been a massive star.For a young fighter,Cotto did dam good and hopefully his stock will keep on rising.

i think judah cotto did 500

Originally Posted by SalTheButcher

Originally Posted by El Gamo

It's on boxing talk,Arum mentions it. Pacquiao MAB 2 did 350k. I'm pretty impressed by Cotto-SSM. I initially though it would be 500k but SSM has never been a massive star.For a young fighter,Cotto did dam good and hopefully his stock will keep on rising.

i think judah cotto did 500

Dream on

Oh you mean 500 exactly?

... Cotto – Judah: 180k

Courtesy of DIOS DOMINICANO...hope they're accurate-ish.

Originally Posted by El Gamo

It's on boxing talk,Arum mentions it. Pacquiao MAB 2 did 350k. I'm pretty impressed by Cotto-SSM. I initially though it would be 500k but SSM has never been a massive star.For a young fighter,Cotto did dam good and hopefully his stock will keep on rising.

Well done for Cotto.
The kid's only 27 and has had this much success.
A ODLH draw he wont be as I don't think anyone will be, but the kids doing great numbers.

Originally Posted by DIOS DOMINICANO

Originally Posted by Fenster

Just shows how popular Oscar is OUTSIDE hardcore fans.

Between 400,000 and 200,000 - reported, taking into consideration DIOS DOMINICANO's post - seems to be the standard for ALL these PPVs.

Oscar hit 900,000 for Mayorga and 2 million for Floyd.

Please allow me to share PPV history:

Delahoya-Mayweather: 2.4 MIL

Tyson-Holyfield 2: 1.99 MIL

Tyson-Lewis: 1.8 MIL

Tyson-Holyfield 1: 1.59 MIL

Tyson- McNeely: 1.55 MIL

Holyfield - Foreman: 1.4 MIL

DelaHoya-Trinidad: 1.4 MIL

Tyson-Bruno: 1.37 MIL

Tyson-Ruddock 2: 1.25 MIL

Holyfield-Lewis 1: 1.2 MIL

Holyfield-Douglas: 1.06 MIL

Tyson -Selden: 1.01 MIL

DelaHoya- Hopkins - 1.0 Mil

DelaHoya - Mosley 2 : 975K

Tyson- Ruddock 1: 959K

DelaHoya- Vargas - 940K

DelaHoya-Mayorga - 935K

Holyfield-Bowe 1: 929K

Delahoya-Whitaker: 720K


Tyson-Botha: 700K

DelaHoya - Mosley : 585K

Delahoya- Quartey: 570K

Delahoya-Camacho: 560K

Delahoya-Chavez 2: 525K

Trinidad- Wright: 520K

Trinidad - Vargas: 520K

Trinidad-Hopkins: 475K

Tyson-Golota: 450K

Lewis/Tua - 420K

Jones-Tarver 3 : 415K

Mosley-Vargas: 415K

Taylor-Hopkins 2: 410K

DelaHoya - Castillejo: 400K

Mayweather-Judah : 400k

Delahoya-Sturm: 380K

Mosley- Vargas 2 375K

Taylor-Hopkins : 370K

Gatti-Mayweather: 360K

Trinidad-Joppy: 350K

Lewis - Grant: 350K

Hopkins- Tarver: 350K

Delahoya-Campas: 350K

Morales- Pacquiao 3: 360K

Morales- pacquiao 2: 350k

Morales-pacquiao: 340K

Mayweather- Baldomir: 340K

Delahoya-Gonzales: 345K

Morales- Barrera 1,2,3: 300k-330K each

Delahoya- Ruelas: 330K

Hopkins – Wright : 305K

Delahoya- W. Rivera: 240K

Mosley/Estrada & Margarito/Cintron: 225K

Barrera – Marquez: 225K

Delahoya-G. Hernandez: 220K

Cotto – Judah: 180K

Ruiz-Golota: 175K

Barrera-Juarez: 165K

Jones, Jr- Harding: 125K

Klitschko- Williams: 120K

Barrera-Peden: & Mosley/Cruz 110K

Cotto-Malignaggi : 90K

Barrera-Fana: 75K

Rahman-Maskaev: 60K

Margarito-Gomez: 35K

Jones – Hanshaw – 24K

Don't know if all this is accurate but if it is then a for your efforts.

It seems that the UFC is still steamrolling most boxing PPV's then. I think 300,000 is an average PPV for them, with less than that being poor.

UFC are doing 1mil+ for the big shows, consistantly. Going off of those numbers I think Hatton v Mayweather may push the 1mil too.

Originally Posted by DIOS DOMINICANO

Originally Posted by Fenster

Just shows how popular Oscar is OUTSIDE hardcore fans.

Between 400,000 and 200,000 - reported, taking into consideration DIOS DOMINICANO's post - seems to be the standard for ALL these PPVs.

Oscar hit 900,000 for Mayorga and 2 million for Floyd.

Please allow me to share PPV history:

dios dominicano, what's your source?

How do I get to 7 negatives for providing FACTS?

I don't understand how that little ratings system works. Can somebody please tell me how to give/get ratings?

I don't need the bullshit. I'll just head back to the HBO boards.

THX