Thread: Is It Wrong...

Is it wrong for a fighter, who is considered one of the best at his weight, to avoid another contender because he thinks he would lose? We all complain about ducking, but does is this still bad. It seems to be more common sense than cowardice. What d'ya think ?

Take it your on about Hatton fighting Witter I think Hatton should fight Witter fighters should want to fight the best David Haye has stepped up to fight Enzo Mac he could of gone upto Heavyweight without fighting him.

But HAYE is convinced he'll win, i'm talking about people who think they could be beaten

Originally Posted by Sugar_shaw

But HAYE is convinced he'll win, i'm talking about people who think they could be beaten

Give me some examples please

Well the difficulty with that is,how do we know the said fighter thinks he is going to lose? Fighters may not want to take a fight for a number of reasons but they could make up any reason for not taking the fight and we would never know if it were true or not.

I like the topic though,I am guilty of using the word duck often but that's probably because fighters of today openly label themselve as businessmen hence they will take the lower risk,higher reward fight.Or take the fight which they think is easier.

However,in certain circumstances,the word "ducked" is used questionably I don't think Floyd Mayweather(for example) is ducking Cotto.Well,actually,I don't know.On the 1 hand,he could be waiting for Cotto to become a bigger star and earn him more $$$. On the other hand,he considers himself to be a big PPV star and Cotto is no slouch in that department either. So,is he ducking him? I would say no but I have no idea.

On the other hand,you have someone like Kermit Cintron.His hand hurts,he over reacts.Rolls aroundlike he's been shot. PW takes another fight in the meantime. As soon as Paul's next fight is announced,Kermit's hand is fine and he makes videos and does interviews calling out Margarito and Cotto in particular.Keep in mind,this was AFTER Paul made anther fight and also at a time when Kermit was supposed to have broken or fractured his hand.How would he take those other fights then>? Now that,to me,is a total and apparent duck as I've ever seen.

Originally Posted by Sugar_shaw

Is it wrong for a fighter, who is considered one of the best at his weight, to avoid another contender because he thinks he would lose? We all complain about ducking, but does is this still bad. It seems to be more common sense than cowardice. What d'ya think ?

With regards the highlighted,of course it's wrong. We are boxing fans aren't we? We want to see the best fight the best in order to ascertain the best dont we?So then we want to see the top guys fight the best guys in their weight class.

I don't have any examplesd, just a hypo situation.



In response to El Gamo, i understand your point, but boxing is a business and boxers are business men. Of course we all want to see the best fight the best but I don't blame a fighter for rejecting a fight when he knows there is a SERIOUS chance that he will get laid out, especially if the fighter does not need the money.

Originally Posted by Sugar_shaw

I don't have any examplesd, just a hypo situation.



In response to El Gamo, i understand your point, but boxing is a business and boxers are business men. Of course we all want to see the best fight the best but I don't blame a fighter for rejecting a fight when he knows there is a SERIOUS chance that he will get laid out, especially if the fighter does not need the money.

If you have that mentality and hypothetically,if the majority of fighters had the business mentality,we would never have seen Corrales and Castillo,Marquez and Vazquez etc and we instead would be fed many many more events like Oscar Floyd 2:which is EXACTLY whay you describe. 2 businessmen,who don't need money but also don't want to risk v anyone else.So they'll fight each other,come out of the fight looking almost as they did when they went in and laugh their way to the bank with YOUR $$$ If you're happy with that then boxing in serious trouble.

All I can say is thanks goodness for fighters like Cotto,Williams,Margarito,Pavlik,Taylor etc etc who will fight anyone,anywhere and have shown that you can still fight tough fights,fights yo're not a favourite in,and win,AND make $$$

I respect the fighters who do that, all I am saying is i can understand why some fighter are not like that e.g. Floyd

Originally Posted by Sugar_shaw

Is it wrong for a fighter, who is considered one of the best at his weight, to avoid another contender because he thinks he would lose? We all complain about ducking, but does is this still bad. It seems to be more common sense than cowardice. What d'ya think ?

I think Hatton needs to fight Witter. And I look at it as cowardice if he doesn't fight him

Originally Posted by Sugar_shaw

Is it wrong for a fighter, who is considered one of the best at his weight, to avoid another contender because he thinks he would lose? We all complain about ducking, but does is this still bad. It seems to be more common sense than cowardice. What d'ya think ?

Its wrong if he wants respect and if he goes around talking about himself and his skills...It is wrong if he expects to look himself in the mirror in the morning with self respect..

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by Sugar_shaw

Is it wrong for a fighter, who is considered one of the best at his weight, to avoid another contender because he thinks he would lose? We all complain about ducking, but does is this still bad. It seems to be more common sense than cowardice. What d'ya think ?

I think Hatton needs to fight Witter. And I look at it as cowardice if he doesn't fight him

I don't think you could ever accuse any boxer of being a coward.

i think it's wrong for us guys to label them cowards seen as tho we just log onto a website all day and talk about it. For some of us, that's the closest we'l ever get to actually boxing.

Originally Posted by ono

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by Sugar_shaw

Is it wrong for a fighter, who is considered one of the best at his weight, to avoid another contender because he thinks he would lose? We all complain about ducking, but does is this still bad. It seems to be more common sense than cowardice. What d'ya think ?

I think Hatton needs to fight Witter. And I look at it as cowardice if he doesn't fight him

I don't think you could ever accuse any boxer of being a coward.

i think it's wrong for us guys to label them cowards seen as tho we just log onto a website all day and talk about it. For some of us, that's the closest we'l ever get to actually boxing.

I don't think it's wrong of us.Whilst I don't think the word coward is appropriate,and far more respectable terms could be used, I think you'll find that for the majority of top boxers,WE make them who they are to an extent. We pay for the food on their tables,so for those top fighters,I think we can talk about them how we like,as long as it's reasonable and justified.Just imo of course.