Thread: Winky Wright moaning away as per usual:declines bouts with Kessler and Abraham

All I can say is what an idiot..The same guy who declined a career high payday at a more natural weight class v Jermain Taylor,then goes up in weight and looks horrible v Bernard in a half empty stadium now declines big fights with Kess and AA which could lead to lucrative fights. Heck even if the paydays weren't great,he could beat a top contender and put himselg back in the mix. If I were him,I'd take what I was offered,he's not a big name PPV wise,it's usually the opponent doing the selling.

"Why should I go fight these lesser guys when I know I'm above them?" Wright said.

The words of an arrogant man. He's not "above" anyone at the moment,which is why the big fights are happening around him and not involving him. And I'd take Kessler to beat him.

Listen to this BS from Winky:

"Taylor lost his last fight. All of these fighters lose. But they have opponents who want to fight them again. I have nobody that wants to fight me because they know they're in for a tough fight. They're ducking me, they don't want to fight. That's why I'm left out. They want me to fight Kessler. Why do I need to fight these dudes? I'm at the top. Arthur Abraham and people like that, I have no interest in them. For what?"

Taylor offered Wright a career high payday. Oh and he's fighting Pavlik,to duck Wright?I think not. Calzaghe fighting Kessler to duck Wright?I don't think so.And what is Wright on top of?Last time I checked,he's only 1 place above JT and 1 BELOW AA in ring mag rankings.

I totally agree with Larry Merchant's take on this:

"He (Merchant)feels Wright is overvaluing himself and doesn't think the fighter has done anything as of late to deserve an immediate jump into a big fight. He says that Wright needs to be active and win fights in order to justify his demands."

I used to like Wright alot for his willingness to take on all comers,he needs to remember his place. He may be talented but his style is boring. People only know of Winky as much as we do because of guys like Tito and Mosley giving him a chance. He needs to remember that.If it was not for them,he'd be fightin in South Africa in front of an empty stadium. So do something to justify your claims or get the heck out of here.

I've said it before and I'll say it again,boxing does not needs these old bandicoots ruining it with their high demands and big mouths.

First of all WRight will fight anyone. His resume more than proves that. Why would he fight Kessler or AA in the bullshit places they live......when the chances of getting a fair scorecard in Germany or Scan. is about as slim as Judah winning a big fight. Winky has to win on the scorecards as he doesn't have knockout power. You know this El Gamo. Don't dog on Winky when you know that he is almost assured defeat in either of these places. He should demand a large sum of money for these kind of conditions.

Winky Wright for one should not be fighting at these higher weights and I feel he would beat Kessler after Calzaghe's southpaw style beat him and he would beat AA but he should'nt go mouthing off about everyone as let's remember he drew with Jermain Taylor and got beat by a 42 year old Hopkins so he's hardly P4P#1.

How about Cory Spinks ?? What a snoozefest that would be, that certainly would send him into retirement.

First of all he should have gotten the nod against JT.
And he looked very well considering the huge weight he was carrying against B-Hop. Who you all say is a great tactical fight of all time. You can't have it both ways folks.

People can't say, "Gee B-Hop is great, he finds a way to win....no one figures out an opponent like B-Hop, etc" and then in the same note say that WInky is washed up or that he is demanding too much.

The B-Hop fight was very close considering all teh illegal fouls and headbutts that was thrown Winky's way. I thought it was as much of a victory for him as it was B-Hop.

Originally Posted by boozeboxer

First of all WRight will fight anyone. His resume more than proves that. Why would he fight Kessler or AA in the bullshit places they live......when the chances of getting a fair scorecard in Germany or Scan. is about as slim as Judah winning a big fight. Winky has to win on the scorecards as he doesn't have knockout power. You know this El Gamo. Don't dog on Winky when you know that he is almost assured defeat in either of these places. He should demand a large sum of money for these kind of conditions.

I knew you would respond Booze bro. I thought of you when I saw the Wright news,I know you're a fan. You make a valid point on the 1 hand but on the other,you make those points based on the assumption that the fights were to take place in Europe. I never saw it mentioned in the article and like I said in another thread,I've heard AA is coming US to fight someone,it could have been WInky.

And I think Kessler is going to be keen to maintain the momentum he has going,even in defeat. The point that annoys me most is that Wright talks about lsing last fights etc etc but he looked awful v B Hop so should be grateful for another chance. I mean in the case of Kessler,he could be seen as high risk,low reward because if Kess lost to him,Kess lost to an old blown up MW.

You're right,Wright,has shown a willingness to fight all comers...in the past. He seems to have a lousy attitude now where he thinks he is some kind of draw and that he can call the strings. That right only belongs to Oscar, Winky has now right to call any shots with his style.

Originally Posted by leftylee

Winky Wright for one should not be fighting at these higher weights and I feel he would beat Kessler after Calzaghe's southpaw style beat him and he would beat AA but he should'nt go mouthing off about everyone as let's remember he drew with Jermain Taylor and got beat by a 42 year old Hopkins so he's hardly P4P#1.

How about Cory Spinks ?? What a snoozefest that would be, that certainly would send him into retirement.

Wright won't be able to make 154 now and I don't think ANYONE would watch that fight Exactly,Wright is making out as if he's some sort of draw and as if he is on a winning run of some sort. He's not. Regardless of who we think would win,those fights offered to him are excellent fights if they are in the States.

In fairness to Winky he should get a fight with the winner of Taylor-Pavlik, The best way to set that up would be a big win against Abraham or Kessler, don't know if he'd take Kessler though, I think Taylors power
got to him at Middle, so at supermiddle against a big puncher he could be in trouble

Winky hasnt won a fight for a long time and looked awful in his last two outings . Nobody wants to see him unless its vs a big name so he needs to work his way back up and quit crying so much .

Originally Posted by boozeboxer

First of all he should have gotten the nod against JT.
And he looked very well considering the huge weight he was carrying against B-Hop. Who you all say is a great tactical fight of all time. You can't have it both ways folks.

People can't say, "Gee B-Hop is great, he finds a way to win....no one figures out an opponent like B-Hop, etc" and then in the same note say that WInky is washed up or that he is demanding too much.

The B-Hop fight was very close considering all teh illegal fouls and headbutts that was thrown Winky's way. I thought it was as much of a victory for him as it was B-Hop.

Well no-one said anything great about that particular B Hop fight other than he headbutted his way to victory and Wright should not have been fighting at that weight. But answer this: WHY was Wright fighting at the weight, when JT offered a career high payday for a rematch which wuld have done decent numbers too. Going to 170 was a foolish move from the outset.

And most thought the JT fight was close. I had JT winning by a point, but I can see a case for Wright winning. It was no robbery though as alot of Wright fans proclaim( or indeed proclaim that ALL of his losses were robberies,they were not,they were all close fights)

Wright hasn't been winning fights,is not a draw,is not exciting and is moaning that no-one wants to fight him. Where's the logic folks?

Originally Posted by GAME

Winky hasnt won a fight for a long time and looked awful in his last two outings . Nobody wants to see him unless its vs a big name so he needs to work his way back up and quit crying so much .

Exactly bro!!! (When you aren't nut hugging MAB so much,you post good stuff )

Originally Posted by El Gamo

Originally Posted by boozeboxer

First of all WRight will fight anyone. His resume more than proves that. Why would he fight Kessler or AA in the bullshit places they live......when the chances of getting a fair scorecard in Germany or Scan. is about as slim as Judah winning a big fight. Winky has to win on the scorecards as he doesn't have knockout power. You know this El Gamo. Don't dog on Winky when you know that he is almost assured defeat in either of these places. He should demand a large sum of money for these kind of conditions.

I knew you would respond Booze bro. I thought of you when I saw the Wright news,I know you're a fan. You make a valid point on the 1 hand but on the other,you make those points based on the assumption that the fights were to take place in Europe. I never saw it mentioned in the article and like I said in another thread,I've heard AA is coming US to fight someone,it could have been WInky.

And I think Kessler is going to be keen to maintain the momentum he has going,even in defeat. The point that annoys me most is that Wright talks about lsing last fights etc etc but he looked awful v B Hop so should be grateful for another chance. I mean in the case of Kessler,he could be seen as high risk,low reward because if Kess lost to him,Kess lost to an old blown up MW.

You're right,Wright,has shown a willingness to fight all comers...in the past. He seems to have a lousy attitude now where he thinks he is some kind of draw and that he can call the strings. That right only belongs to Oscar, Winky has now right to call any shots with his style.

Originally Posted by leftylee

Winky Wright for one should not be fighting at these higher weights and I feel he would beat Kessler after Calzaghe's southpaw style beat him and he would beat AA but he should'nt go mouthing off about everyone as let's remember he drew with Jermain Taylor and got beat by a 42 year old Hopkins so he's hardly P4P#1.

How about Cory Spinks ?? What a snoozefest that would be, that certainly would send him into retirement.

Wright won't be able to make 154 now and I don't think ANYONE would watch that fight Exactly,Wright is making out as if he's some sort of draw and as if he is on a winning run of some sort. He's not. Regardless of who we think would win,those fights offered to him are excellent fights if they are in the States.

I wouldn't be naive. I sincerely hope AA would fight somewhere besides Europe's bosom. But I will believe it when I see. I am sure Winky was assuming that AA wouldn't leave the old country.

Kessler is a tough fight for Winky. I would hope he wouldn't fight Kessler because if he did handle him; it would be just another asterisk on Calzaghe's career that he doesn't deserve.

I think Winky isn't really worried about fighting anyone unless it is worth his while. Honestly I think he is at a point where he knows he has very limited fights left and wants to be full of reserve before acting quickly.

El Gamo you are correct about the B-Hop fight being a foolish move. But he cares about his legacy. (Comparable to SSM fighting Winky instead of ODLH a third time.) While foolish in hindsight, I think that both fighters are concerned about legacy. I don't think you can pick on a fighter whose wants to leave a legacy beyond their abilities...

The last real good fighter Wright beat was Tito back in 2005 unless you count blown up Welterweight Ike Quartey. I really don't understand Wright at all not many fans find him exciting as it is, plus he always complained that he never got the chance to be a big star because he was ducked etc, yet he is turning down fights with Kessler, Abraham, that would do his career good and set up other big fights, instead he is still whining instead of being active. I think fighters should take a leaf out of Margarito's book even after the loss to Williams he is still keeping himself busy and keeping himself as a top contender at Welterweight and he has now set himself up for title shot vs Cintron. The way i see it is if Wright is going to keep turning down fights either he should retire or just stop whining and just get his a** in gear and start fighting and keeping himself active, so he can set up a big fight with Pavlik or etc.

Originally Posted by boozeboxer

El Gamo you are correct about the B-Hop fight being a foolish move. But he cares about his legacy. (Comparable to SSM fighting Winky instead of ODLH a third time.) While foolish in hindsight, I think that both fighters are concerned about legacy. I don't think you can pick on a fighter whose wants to leave a legacy beyond their abilities...

Well,I think a fight with Taylor would have been excellent for his legacy too and it was a far more winnable fight than a fight with B Hop at a new weight where he most likely would not fight again. At his age,what 34,packing on the weight, then losing it,it's not smart. He should have rematched JT at 160.

Even if I did agree with you, who exactly would there be to fight? The winner of JT and Pavlik, which could mean he would fight JT again, making his move to not rematch him instantly look even more foolish. BTW,IF Pavlik wins and Winky fights Pavlik, we have a SIG bet,deal? I'm taking Kelly via stoppage.

Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing

The last real good fighter Wright beat was Tito back in 2005 unless you count blown up Welterweight Ike Quartey. I really don't understand Wright at all not many fans find him exciting as it is, plus he always complained that he never got the chance to be a big star because he was ducked etc, yet he is turning down fights with Kessler, Abraham, that would do his career good and set up other big fights, instead he is still whining instead of being active. I think fighters should take a leaf out of Margarito's book even after the loss to Williams he is still keeping himself busy and keeping himself as a top contender at Welterweight and he has now set himself up for title shot vs Cintron. The way i see it is if Wright is going to keep turning down fights either he should retire or just stop whining and just get his a** in gear and start fighting and keeping himself active, so he can set up a big fight with Pavlik or etc.

Take a page out of Margarito's book? You mean taking high risk, low reward fights and have yourself on the outside looking in at the big money fights?

Originally Posted by boozeboxer

Originally Posted by Ice Cold Boxing

The last real good fighter Wright beat was Tito back in 2005 unless you count blown up Welterweight Ike Quartey. I really don't understand Wright at all not many fans find him exciting as it is, plus he always complained that he never got the chance to be a big star because he was ducked etc, yet he is turning down fights with Kessler, Abraham, that would do his career good and set up other big fights, instead he is still whining instead of being active. I think fighters should take a leaf out of Margarito's book even after the loss to Williams he is still keeping himself busy and keeping himself as a top contender at Welterweight and he has now set himself up for title shot vs Cintron. The way i see it is if Wright is going to keep turning down fights either he should retire or just stop whining and just get his a** in gear and start fighting and keeping himself active, so he can set up a big fight with Pavlik or etc.

Take a page out of Margarito's book? You mean taking high risk, low reward fights and have yourself on the outside looking in at the big money fights?

Well its better than not fighting at all, thats the name of the game Booze. You keep yourself busy with a few gimme fights to set up bigger fights in the future. And in Wright's case he had a perfect chance to get right back amongst the top fighters fighting Abraham or Kessler and set himself up for bigger fights for the future.

Originally Posted by El Gamo

Originally Posted by boozeboxer

El Gamo you are correct about the B-Hop fight being a foolish move. But he cares about his legacy. (Comparable to SSM fighting Winky instead of ODLH a third time.) While foolish in hindsight, I think that both fighters are concerned about legacy. I don't think you can pick on a fighter whose wants to leave a legacy beyond their abilities...

Well,I think a fight with Taylor would have been excellent for his legacy too and it was a far more winnable fight than a fight with B Hop at a new weight where he most likely would not fight again. At his age,what 34,packing on the weight, then losing it,it's not smart. He should have rematched JT at 160.

Even if I did agree with you, who exactly would there be to fight? The winner of JT and Pavlik, which could mean he would fight JT again, making his move to not rematch him instantly look even more foolish. BTW,IF Pavlik wins and Winky fights Pavlik, we have a SIG bet,deal? I'm taking Kelly via stoppage.

If Pavlik goes to the body i favor Pavlik stopping Wright, if he doesn't then he could be in for a very tough nights work.

Originally Posted by El Gamo

Originally Posted by boozeboxer

El Gamo you are correct about the B-Hop fight being a foolish move. But he cares about his legacy. (Comparable to SSM fighting Winky instead of ODLH a third time.) While foolish in hindsight, I think that both fighters are concerned about legacy. I don't think you can pick on a fighter whose wants to leave a legacy beyond their abilities...

Well,I think a fight with Taylor would have been excellent for his legacy too and it was a far more winnable fight than a fight with B Hop at a new weight where he most likely would not fight again. At his age,what 34,packing on the weight, then losing it,it's not smart. He should have rematched JT at 160.

Even if I did agree with you, who exactly would there be to fight? The winner of JT and Pavlik, which could mean he would fight JT again, making his move to not rematch him instantly look even more foolish. BTW,IF Pavlik wins and Winky fights Pavlik, we have a SIG bet,deal? I'm taking Kelly via stoppage.

Sure we have a sig bet. I'll take Winky every time. Actually you are probably right about the JT rematch. But you can understand the bitterness that Winky probably experienced. I'm not sure how good the money was with a JT re-match?? On that I really am ignorant if it would have fetched more $$ than the B-Hop fight.