Thread: Just rewatched Pacquaio-JMM 1

First of all I would like to say that people who feel JMM "figured" Pacquaio out are totally wrong. First Pacquaio knocks Marquez down three times in a brutal first round. Then Marquez was recovering in the second round. the next three or four rounds Marquez adjusts and Pacquaio can't land anything, nor can he get off because Marquez realizes Pacquaio is just trying to land huge punches. Then in the 7th or 8th Pacquaio starts boxing more and the fight is pretty even but Pacquaio has a slight edge until the end. Personally I have pacquaio winning by a round, but it could easily be a draw because one round he landed thebetter shots but JMM landed more punches.

That being the said the one thing that caused Pacqaio the most problems besides the fact JMM is a great boxer is that Marquez really used slick movement to avoid Pac's assault... It was some of the best footwork I've seen, and reminded me of Hopkins against Trinidad or Tarver, JMM was always on his balance point and he was always quick to retaliate, but now he is much more flat footed which means he will be far easier for Pac to hit, and he has slowed down much more than Pacquaio.

Marquez should of got the win

I think that Realizing and Adjusting are as close as you can get to figuered.He solved pacs early aggression and Pac was put into a boxing mode showing some wicked Lefts. I do think Marquez has fought to face first at times rescently...unnecessarily.He mixed his sharp planted counters and great footwork in the first meet.I dont see either one as tuned up and polished as in there first fight...alot of hard rounds under the bridge each....but I do think Marquez can take Him.

There are two differences first JMM didn't have PAcquaio figured for the whole fight like some people claim, Pacquaio made an changes and JMM lost his advantage he had going. Secondly, Pacquaio is better than he was be a long shot while JMM is worse than he was then. Last but not least Pacquaio is better than JMM, he might not be as good of a boxer, or defensively but his offense is so good he overcomes all his shortcommings and is one of the most special fighters we've seen ina long time.

One thing is for sure, that was jmms best performance and best fight in his whole life. the fight was controversial and ironnically jmm is suppose to be technically better but technically pac should of won that. Yes, if not for the ref scoring the first round wrong. Jmm will need to pull off another best performance of his life just to survive again let alone win. Worst of all, for jmm his facing an even better pacman. Not only did but he piss pacman off by saying pac is not a mexican killer. Ok pac doesn't like to be dubbed that and the race thing is stupid but its not what jmm said its how jmm was saying things that got under pacs skin. Now pac is in the gym focus and in murderous mode. For a long long time no reports of pac bein unfocus and all the bs that comes before his fights. Jmm not only had it bad before, now he made it even worst by pissing pac off. No doubt jmm won't survive this time. The great counter puncher JMM wll get countered by a right hook and down and out he'll be.

I can't see Marquez winning the rematch. He's not got better just older.

PacMan has more experience since the last fight and will win in a more convincing manner. Good match-up.

Originally Posted by Julius Rain

One thing is for sure, that was jmms best performance and best fight in his whole life. the fight was controversial and ironnically jmm is suppose to be technically better but technically pac should of won that. Yes, if not for the ref scoring the first round wrong. Jmm will need to pull off another best performance of his life just to survive again let alone win. Worst of all, for jmm his facing an even better pacman. Not only did but he piss pacman off by saying pac is not a mexican killer. Ok pac doesn't like to be dubbed that and the race thing is stupid but its not what jmm said its how jmm was saying things that got under pacs skin. Now pac is in the gym focus and in murderous mode. For a long long time no reports of pac bein unfocus and all the bs that comes before his fights. Jmm not only had it bad before, now he made it even worst by pissing pac off. No doubt jmm won't survive this time. The great counter puncher JMM wll get countered by a right hook and down and out he'll be.

so are you saying JMM didn't get any better.

i'm gonna say this to give you Pac fans something to think about. PAC knock JMM down 3 times in the 1st round and JMM comes back to make it an extreemly close fight. fight many including myself felt he won. what makes you so sure that he can finish him? he couldn't do it then. i'm gonna re watch the fight with in the next week so i can tell you exactly how JMM will win.

this fight should have happen at least 3 years ago.

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Marquez should of got the win

Actually Pacquiao should have. One of the judges scored the first round 10-7 instead of 10-6.

Originally Posted by liquid

Actually Pacquiao should have. One of the judges scored the first round 10-7 instead of 10-6.

I think the judging was pretty terrible i still can't understand how two judges had it 115-110 either way, i personally had Marquez winning by 1 point.

Originally Posted by ICB

I think the judging was pretty terrible i still can't understand how two judges had it 115-110 either way, i personally had Marquez winning by 1 point.

Pac's aggressiveness captured the hearts of the judges that night. Both fighters were pretty much giving-n-taking each others punches after the first round. Pac initiate and connects, but JMM counter and also connects.

Originally Posted by liquid

Actually Pacquiao should have. One of the judges scored the first round 10-7 instead of 10-6.

10-6 RULING is an option not a GIVEN. So it is not a mistake but the choice of the judge.

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Marquez should of got the win

No

Pac should've won

Originally Posted by Taeth

First of all I would like to say that people who feel JMM "figured" Pacquaio out are totally wrong. First Pacquaio knocks Marquez down three times in a brutal first round. Then Marquez was recovering in the second round. the next three or four rounds Marquez adjusts and Pacquaio can't land anything, nor can he get off because Marquez realizes Pacquaio is just trying to land huge punches. Then in the 7th or 8th Pacquaio starts boxing more and the fight is pretty even but Pacquaio has a slight edge until the end. Personally I have pacquaio winning by a round, but it could easily be a draw because one round he landed thebetter shots but JMM landed more punches.

That being the said the one thing that caused Pacqaio the most problems besides the fact JMM is a great boxer is that Marquez really used slick movement to avoid Pac's assault... It was some of the best footwork I've seen, and reminded me of Hopkins against Trinidad or Tarver, JMM was always on his balance point and he was always quick to retaliate, but now he is much more flat footed which means he will be far easier for Pac to hit, and he has slowed down much more than Pacquaio.

How many times in one post will you contradict yourself?....You start out with "People who think JMM figured PAC out are all wrong"..

Then go on to say Jmm adjusted to him in the next 3 or 4 rounds and PAC could not land anything...nor get off punches because JMM kknows he is just trying to land one big shot....

That is called FIGURED OUT!!! He realized Pacquaios strategy then he found a way to nullify it

This was my scorecard last time i watched the fight.

1 Pacquiao 10-6
2 Pacquiao 10-9
3 Marquez 10-9
4 Marquez 10-9
5 Marquez 10-9
6 Marquez 10-9
7 Pacquiao 10-9
8 Marquez 10-9
9 Marquez 10-9
10 Pacquiao 10-9
11 Marquez 10-9
12 Marquez 10-9

113-112 Marquez

i felt marquez won