Thread: Remember when Heavyweight Boxing was like this!!!!

Heavyweight's, Heavyweights, Heavyweights.....As great as boxing is right now and as many great fighters we have in the lower divisions like Marquez, Vasquez, Pacquiao, Mayweather, Cotto, Hatton, Diaz and so on...I really miss heavyweight boxing. It is our sports flagship so to speak...So out of pure need to see some good HW moments I was cruising YouTube today and found a few good videos on the HW division...I am sure some of you have seen these already but are worth watching again, For those who haven't enjoy a minute of HW history at it's best

History of the title- http://youtube.com/watch?v=wXxQtjlyYY4

This one is a bit long but has great stuff, Tyson Liston Foreman, Marciano...Plus a pretty decent soundtrack to go with it..
http://youtube.com/watch?v=1vtfnYmjJ08&feature=related

First of all most of us don't remember the Marciano days or earlier in person, and secondly a lot of those eras weren't that great... When Liston the division was horrible, when Holmes was on top the division was horrible, when Tyson was on top the division was horrible... Get the picture? Except for once or twice(the 70's and 90's) the heavyweight division has been dominated by one true heavyweight while the rest of the division was substantially below them in class or size. Upon further review I think that Klitschko would have done fine against a ton of fighters back in the day... he is fast, he's so strong, and big that the little guys who couldn't make 200 pounds in wet clothes and needed a stool to be 6' tall wouldn't hit him cleanly in 20 rounds.

The divisions might not have matched up well in the ring with Klitschko or any of today heavyweights but today's heavyweights are by far the most boring and sluggish batch of any heavyweight division ever.

Originally Posted by amat

The divisions might not have matched up well in the ring with Klitschko or any of today heavyweights but today's heavyweights are by far the most boring and sluggish batch of any heavyweight division ever.

Exactly, Don't think I ever mentioned anything about Liston his era or anything else, or how Wlad would do against any of them, Point was that the HW division was always in the past the most known division and it's champion was who everyone in the world recognized be it boxing fans or non boxing fans the HW champion was as known as world leaders...

Originally Posted by Taeth

First of all most of us don't remember the Marciano days or earlier in person, and secondly a lot of those eras weren't that great... When Liston the division was horrible, when Holmes was on top the division was horrible, when Tyson was on top the division was horrible... Get the picture? Except for once or twice(the 70's and 90's) the heavyweight division has been dominated by one true heavyweight while the rest of the division was substantially below them in class or size. Upon further review I think that Klitschko would have done fine against a ton of fighters back in the day... he is fast, he's so strong, and big that the little guys who couldn't make 200 pounds in wet clothes and needed a stool to be 6' tall wouldn't hit him cleanly in 20 rounds.

First of all you once again make an asshole of yourself by trying to be snotty and sound intelligent while doing so....Second I did not mention Marciano or Liston in particular did I? Oh I am sorry could you help me out a second because I seem to miss that part of my post. Oh I said nothing about that or Wlad and who he would match up against or how he would do...Well then you add to reputation of being the forum jerkoff....

I did not make the video so sorry could not leave out Liston or Marciano, I think it was titled "History of the Heavyweight championship"...And both were champions so that might explain why they were in the video....The other was just to stir up some memories on when the HW division was full of exciting KO's all the time, Today they are rare and good HW fights are like a worth while comment of yours...Obsolete.

Point was that we always had a HW champion that everyone recognized and the HW championship was always the flagship of our sport...(Yes please deny that and make a bigger ass of yourself)....Today anyone outside of die hard fans don' know who the champion is.....

I find it funny that you always look for my threads or post to try and discredit and try to make yourself look good while doing so....Is there some reason why you have a personal vendetta against me?...Is it you want to be me?.....There has to be a reason....Just come out with it man...no one will think any less of you then they do now...In fact I don't think anyone can think any less of you then they do now.....

Try to seek counseling mate...If you wait to long you will end up a bitter old man living alone with printed out copies of my post glued to your walls harassing neighborhood kids for playing ball in front of your house

STFU Daxx... I didn't even realize this was a thread you made or I wouldn't have said anything because you are way too sensitive. When was the last time I "tried" to find one of your threads? I don't have a hidden agenda to discredit you, its not worth my time, I don't half the time even look who's writting what, I just read the thread and then I respond.

What I am saying is that the heavyweight division has plenty of talented guys now in Klitschko, Peter, Valuev, Ibrigamov, Solis, the list go's on. I am not saying the heavyweight division is as popular as it once was, I am saying that if people would stop for a second and realize how good some of the guys out there actually are, then maybe the division would be more popular like it was in the old days. Anyways thats all I Am going to say because you get your feathers all bunched up everytime I say anything.

Also there have been good heavyweight fights lately, Klitschko-Peter was a good fight, PEter-Maskaev should be a decent fight, PEter-Toney I was a good fight.

Originally Posted by Taeth

STFU Daxx... I didn't even realize this was a thread you made or I wouldn't have said anything because you are way too sensitive. When was the last time I "tried" to find one of your threads? I don't have a hidden agenda to discredit you, its not worth my time, I don't half the time even look who's writting what, I just read the thread and then I respond.

What I am saying is that the heavyweight division has plenty of talented guys now in Klitschko, Peter, Valuev, Ibrigamov, Solis, the list go's on. I am not saying the heavyweight division is as popular as it once was, I am saying that if people would stop for a second and realize how good some of the guys out there actually are, then maybe the division would be more popular like it was in the old days. Anyways thats all I Am going to say because you get your feathers all bunched up everytime I say anything.

Also there have been good heavyweight fights lately, Klitschko-Peter was a good fight, PEter-Maskaev should be a decent fight, PEter-Toney I was a good fight.

But see no that is not what you said so STFU yourself...What are you 10 telling people to shut up?.....Look who gets ruffled easily........All I did was throw a bunch of BS comments and you are ready to cry....I have said this to you before and will again...It is not what you post it is how you post it....Post like a smart ass saying stupid shit like..... "First of all most of us don't remember the Marciano days or earlier in person".....A comment made in pure sarcasim and had no other merit to it....You don't have to admit it it speaks for itself....And just like the last time I made a comment back to one of your sarcastic comments.. you reply with a total different approach.....Not near what you said the first time

Thx for the great videos. IMO there´s no question that this former heavyweights were the most exiting Champions of all time, but I don´t think that todays HW have lesser skills or something, the Problem 2day is that it´s more about the money and not honour. They just wan´t to make sure that they win and not to show who´s the man. Klitschkos last fight was exactly the shit i write about. He has the skills to be a big Champion and to make a big big fight but he don´t do....... I think that Peter could also be a great champ but you all saw HW future on 23rd Feb.

I feel the heavyweight division at the moment is the only division which has remained stagnant during boxing's "economic upturn" in the past couple of years.

A division could be composed of all the most talented fighters in the world, but if the crucial fights are not made it will not benefit from their capabilities. If the Welterweightsfought twice a year and against opposition that have been beaten comprohensively by rivals in the past, it would be neglecting their own abilities and we wouldn't be viewing as perhaps boxings hottest division.

In order for the division to come back into focus, the promising up an comers need to move with a bit more pace and quit stalling at the "journeyman" phase. The Champions need to face of against each other, regularly and with as little controversy as possible and the sanctioning bodies need to stop enfiorcing rematches auch as Chaegav-Valuev 2!!!

The problem is that operating as a money making system, the heavyweight division is doing fine. The big guys area ctually making more than adequate money as it is and they really don't need to change anything to live comfortably.

What we really need is a young, perhaps skilled guy, with a ton of ambition to save us from these doldrums of boredom.

Originally Posted by Taeth

First of all most of us don't remember the Marciano days or earlier in person, and secondly a lot of those eras weren't that great... When Liston the division was horrible, when Holmes was on top the division was horrible, when Tyson was on top the division was horrible... Get the picture? Except for once or twice(the 70's and 90's) the heavyweight division has been dominated by one true heavyweight while the rest of the division was substantially below them in class or size. Upon further review I think that Klitschko would have done fine against a ton of fighters back in the day... he is fast, he's so strong, and big that the little guys who couldn't make 200 pounds in wet clothes and needed a stool to be 6' tall wouldn't hit him cleanly in 20 rounds.

When Liston was ruilng the division he was KO opponents in exciting fashion, when Holmes was ruling the division he would take risks and risk getting KO to finish his opponent's in exciting fashion. When Tyson was ruiling the division he would KO his opponents in impressive fashion. Do you see what im getting at here ?? even if thhose era's wern't the strongest Liston, Holmes, Tyson, would take risks to be great unlike Wlad IMO, the Heavyweight division isn't as popular because except for Wlad who is far too cautious and looks to be terrified of getting hit IMO, most of the Heavyweights skill level wise are piss poor and 95 percent of the fights are terrible and sloppy affairs. And Taeth no offence but you mentioned Peter, Valuev, in the same sentence as being *talented*. No offence but are you kidding me ?? Valuev is horrible and only ever got anywhere by being a freak of nature, he got gift decision's against John Ruiz, Larry Donald, for crying out loud. Peter is one dimensional and his defense is terrible and his punches are so wide and sloppy. He got a gift decision against a natural Super Middleweight, that just shows you what kind of skill level Peter is at. Like i said earlier the only real skilled Heavyweight out there is Wladimir Klitschko and he is far too cautious and he clinches like an octopus. You say Holmes and Liston era's were horrible, but i'll tell you something now i would pick those eras over the load of rubbish we got now any day of the week.

Originally Posted by ICB

When Liston was ruilng the division he was KO opponents in exciting fashion, when Holmes was ruling the division he would take risks and risk getting KO to finish his opponent's in exciting fashion. When Tyson was ruiling the division he would KO his opponents in impressive fashion. Do you see what im getting at here ?? even if thhose era's wern't the strongest Liston, Holmes, Tyson, would take risks to be great unlike Wlad IMO, the Heavyweight division isn't as popular because except for Wlad who is far too cautious and looks to be terrified of getting hit IMO, most of the Heavyweights skill level wise are piss poor and 95 percent of the fights are terrible and sloppy affairs. And Taeth no offence but you mentioned Peter, Valuev, in the same sentence as being *talented*. No offence but are you kidding me ?? Valuev is horrible and only ever got anywhere by being a freak of nature, he got gift decision's against John Ruiz, Larry Donald, for crying out loud. Peter is one dimensional and his defense is terrible and his punches are so wide and sloppy. He got a gift decision against a natural Super Middleweight, that just shows you what kind of skill level Peter is at. Like i said earlier the only real skilled Heavyweight out there is Wladimir Klitschko and he is far too cautious and he clinches like an octopus. You say Holmes and Liston era's were horrible, but i'll tell you something now i would pick those eras over the load of rubbish we got now any day of the week.

My point exactly but I figured everyone would know that without having top go into depth....Seems Taeth is the only one who had to make an arguement and go off track...as usual

i miss the 90;s heavyweights

problem i find with this batch of heavys is that there mostly fat........... they mostly have soft builds, theres no real athlets................ they mostly look like the big guy in the local pub, as a result there slow and sluggish and lack stamina

its about time heavyweights look like they train

Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

But see no that is not what you said so STFU yourself...What are you 10 telling people to shut up?.....Look who gets ruffled easily........All I did was throw a bunch of BS comments and you are ready to cry....I have said this to you before and will again...It is not what you post it is how you post it....Post like a smart ass saying stupid shit like..... "First of all most of us don't remember the Marciano days or earlier in person".....A comment made in pure sarcasim and had no other merit to it....You don't have to admit it it speaks for itself....And just like the last time I made a comment back to one of your sarcastic comments.. you reply with a total different approach.....Not near what you said the first time

I said STFU because your were whining, not to everybody else. I wasn't saying that Marciano and Liston weren't great champions I was just comenting on how they fought in weak eras, not to contradict what you were saying, but to let people remember that there were great fighters who fought in crummy eras. STOP taking everything I say as a dig against you, its a forum, just relax and stop thinking everything I say is directed towards you personally.

Originally Posted by ICB

When Liston was ruilng the division he was KO opponents in exciting fashion, when Holmes was ruling the division he would take risks and risk getting KO to finish his opponent's in exciting fashion. When Tyson was ruiling the division he would KO his opponents in impressive fashion. Do you see what im getting at here ?? even if thhose era's wern't the strongest Liston, Holmes, Tyson, would take risks to be great unlike Wlad IMO, the Heavyweight division isn't as popular because except for Wlad who is far too cautious and looks to be terrified of getting hit IMO, most of the Heavyweights skill level wise are piss poor and 95 percent of the fights are terrible and sloppy affairs. And Taeth no offence but you mentioned Peter, Valuev, in the same sentence as being *talented*. No offence but are you kidding me ?? Valuev is horrible and only ever got anywhere by being a freak of nature, he got gift decision's against John Ruiz, Larry Donald, for crying out loud. Peter is one dimensional and his defense is terrible and his punches are so wide and sloppy. He got a gift decision against a natural Super Middleweight, that just shows you what kind of skill level Peter is at. Like i said earlier the only real skilled Heavyweight out there is Wladimir Klitschko and he is far too cautious and he clinches like an octopus. You say Holmes and Liston era's were horrible, but i'll tell you something now i would pick those eras over the load of rubbish we got now any day of the week.

When did I mention Valuev as one of the good fighters today? Also Foreman threw wide punches and had no defense, same with Marciano, Shavers, early Frazier, Joe Louis sure got hit a whole lot. PEter's doesn't have the worst defense in the world, he is immensely strong, he has a good beard, and he would have given many of the old school heavyweights a tough fight if he didn't come in weighing 250 pounds. Also he schooled TOney in the second fight, and once against Toney is a tough mother fucker who any mauler would have had trouble with.

As for exciting... Tyson dispached of wannabe heavyweight in an exciting manner, against Mitch Green, QUick Tillis it was boring as fuck because it was so easy to wrap him up that Tyson could hardly get anything off. Lennox Lewis, Holmes, Ali all at some point coasted through whole fights. What I am saying is that Peter is talented, you could see his boxing skills against Toney in the second fight, you see the handspeed before he gets tired, you see his power, strength, you saw his chin when he was taking the best Wladimir had to offer, not sure what happened against McCline(who is a beast himself), and I am saying that Wladimir took out plenty of opponents in an exciting fashion and he has a terrific KO%.

Would Wladimir beat Ali, Lewis? Of course not, but he would give them a tough fight before they landed a clean shot on him (ALi-Wladimir=Leonard-Hearns of the heavywieghts). As for now he has a good reason to be scared of getting hit because he's gased out, and he's been KO'ed by big punchers, but at least he's not Audley Harrison.