Thread: Calzaghe or Jones Jr. Greatest SMW of all time

So which one is greater at 168 and why?

Arguments for each

Calzaghe
Undefeated
Ring #1 at 168
Ring #3 p4p
Held IBF, WBO, WBA and WBC titles

Big wins at 168
Jeff Lacy (UD)
Mikkel Kessler (UD)

Record at 168: 35-0-0 (23 KOs) (Win %: 100%/ KO %:65.7%)

Opponents combined record: 783-176-23 (Win %: 79.7%)


Jones Jr.
Undefeated at 168
Ring #1 at 168
Ring #1 p4p
Held IBF title
Round 6 against Paz was probably the most dominant round in boxing history (3 knockdowns and Jones was not hit once)

Big Wins at 168
Vinny Pazienza (TKO 6)
James Toney (UD)

Record at 168: 13-0-0 (11 KOs) (Win %:100% / KO %: 84.6%)

Opponents combined record: 321-51-8 (Win %: 84.4%)


Others Mentioned
Sven Ottke

I will edit this as the debate unfolds

Originally Posted by killersheep

So which one is greater at 168 and why?

Calzaghe because he completely owned the weight class, Jones only fought there half a dozen times if I remember correctly

if you talk about calzaghe you have to talk about german legend sven ottka who made 21 world title defence at super middle and was undefeated just like joe, he's practicly the same as calzaghe except he held the much more recordnizied wba and ibf belts........he wanted a fight with joe to see who is the best but calzaghe turned it down, so in my opin you have to put him on the table.......... im not saying ottka is the best, but if joe is ranked that high then you must have ottka there to

I have to go with RJJr. Cuz that was his era. He was the #1 Ring p4p.

...Yeah, he made it to the top.

The fact that Ottke name is even compared to Joe Galzaghe shows that he does not even compare to Roy Jones. Sure Joe holds an impressive record but Jones could have done all that if he wanted too, no Roy did far better and at his best he would beat Joe any day of the week.

Originally Posted by Master

The fact that Ottke name is even compared to Joe Galzaghe shows that he does not even compare to Roy Jones. Sure Joe holds an impressive record but Jones could have done all that if he wanted too, no Roy did far better and at his best he would beat Joe any day of the week.

i'll second that.............prime jones v prime calzaghe.........roy wins everytime. 43 year old hopkins show joes no great

I voted Jones because even though Calzaghe obviously has spent more time at SMW and accumulated more belts, I feel that if they met at SMW when both were in their primes RJJ would win. I also feel that James Toney is a better fighter than anyone JC has fought, by defeating him RJJ has the best victory at the weight. Additionally, RJJ was considered to be the best P4P for many years, something JC has never achieved - while that is not Calzaghe's fault necessarily, if feel it is another factor in RJJ's favor.

Answering the question is simple as long as you clear up one issue...

What's more important, the length of the reign, or who was more dominant at the weight?

If it's all about the former, then the answer has to be Calzaghe. If it's the latter, then the answer has to be Jones, because the prime Jones would smoke the prime Calzaghe and Jones' win over Toney is more impressive than any win Calzaghe had at 168.

Roy moved up because despite people saying they "Wanted" to fight him none of the brittish guys with big names at the time were willing to come over and fight him... it was a nice excuse on their part to avoid fighting Roy. Roy in his prime would destroy Calzaghe.

Calzaghe is the greatest SMW of all time due to the fact of the length of his reign and he has reigned so long without question on who the man in the division is...

Jones was not at SMW for too much of a time to be considered even IMO...there are others in the past that could be considered on the list against Calzaghe in terms of SMW legecy...Just my opp though

Now With that being said!!!

I have stated this before and will continue to say this until someone comes along and proves otherwise...

Roy Jones Jr is without a doubt the greatest skilled fighter with natural ability I have ever seen when he was at 168....Now I did not say the most tech sound fighter so don't people start saying he had flaws he left hands down etc we all know that....but in terms of natural ability and ability to adjust and do what he wanted when he wanted in the ring without ever the fear of being on the losing end or caught and KO'd by a punch...Roy Jones had that....The speed to move and avoid shots, the ability to be unorthadox and fight with hands at waist against big punchers...the power he posessed etc at SMW was beyond praise in the fighting world.....

It was just a short amount of time he was there though to be considered as an ATG of the division

Joe calzaghe fought and dominated that division. he is the number 1 fighter at supermiddleweight. Jones didn't stay there long enough to be rated so high for me.

Calzaghe!

Hey killer can you edit your 1st post, Calzaghe is Ring champ! He was #1 when he fought Lacy. With the victory he became champion. (But I know what you meant)

On an all time P4P list Jones would be well ahead of Calzaghe, but as a Super-middleweight Calzaghe achieved a lot more. He pretty much cleaned out the division (all that was missing was a bout with Ottke). Unified the championship.

Jones' win over Toney was exceptional but it doesn't qualify him as the greatest SM, one win doesn't out weight a whole body of work. Just because Douglas beat Tyson doesn't qualify him for the greatest top 10 heavies.

I don't know but I think 11 fights in a division is long enough to be considered.
That would equal out to be like 3 or more years at SMW that isn't that short of a time.

On skill, ability, and who would win a SMW fight between the two? Roy Jones hands down, he has the edge on Calzaghe in pretty much every catagory.

But on accomplishment, you gotta give it to Calzaghe. He has done a lot more at SMW, and Jones never stayed at SMW very long.

Originally Posted by Doot

I don't know but I think 11 fights in a division is long enough to be considered.
That would equal out to be like 3 or more years at SMW that isn't that short of a time.

Yeah but its what he done in that time at that weight & Calzaghe's achievements well outweigh Jones' at 168