Thread: Calzaghe Throwing Away Greatness ?

Calzaghe is a great fighter and will go down as an atg, one bad performance against a guy that is the king of making fighters look bad and he is over-rated feather-fistedand chinny.

O the fickality of boxing fans.

Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

Calzaghe is a great fighter and will go down as an atg, one bad performance against a guy that is the king of making fighters look bad and he is over-rated feather-fistedand chinny.

O the fickality of boxing fans.

Ive never liked him but i wouldn't say calzaghe is chinny but all time great

Originally Posted by tysonbruno

Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

Calzaghe is a great fighter and will go down as an atg, one bad performance against a guy that is the king of making fighters look bad and he is over-rated feather-fistedand chinny.

O the fickality of boxing fans.

Ive never liked him but i wouldn't say calzaghe is chinny but all time great

If Hopkins is Calzaghe has to be.

Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

Originally Posted by tysonbruno

Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

Calzaghe is a great fighter and will go down as an atg, one bad performance against a guy that is the king of making fighters look bad and he is over-rated feather-fistedand chinny.

O the fickality of boxing fans.

Ive never liked him but i wouldn't say calzaghe is chinny but all time great

If Hopkins is Calzaghe has to be.

Just because Calzaghe only just beat a 43 year old Hopkins doesn't make him a all time great.

Originally Posted by tysonbruno

Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

Originally Posted by tysonbruno

Ive never liked him but i wouldn't say calzaghe is chinny but all time great

If Hopkins is Calzaghe has to be.

Just because Calzaghe only just beat a 43 year old Hopkins doesn't make him a all time great.

Maybe not but Hopkins was the liniat 175lb champ coming off his best b2b career wins.

if that doesnt how about defending your title 22 times or being 18yrs undefeated or being only the second man in boxing history to hold all 5 recognised alphabets in one weight class. Or holding the 168lb liniar championship and the same time holding the 175lb.

Take your pick i could go on.

Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

Originally Posted by tysonbruno

Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

If Hopkins is Calzaghe has to be.

Just because Calzaghe only just beat a 43 year old Hopkins doesn't make him a all time great.

Maybe not but Hopkins was the liniat 175lb champ coming off his best b2b career wins.

if that doesnt how about defending your title 22 times or being 18yrs undefeated or being only the second man in boxing history to hold all 5 recognised alphabets in one weight class. Or holding the 168lb liniar championship and the same time holding the 175lb.

Take your pick i could go on.

Hopkins had 2 back to back losses vs Taylor moved upto light heavy and beat i weight drained Tarver he then beat Winky Wright who was overweight really fighting wise.Calzaghe should have lost twice in my eyes to Hopkins and Robin Reid.

I disagree he beat Reid and Hopkins and he should have been greater fighter but he fell into the comfort zone with Warren and the rest is history.

Originally Posted by tysonbruno

Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

Originally Posted by tysonbruno

Just because Calzaghe only just beat a 43 year old Hopkins doesn't make him a all time great.

Maybe not but Hopkins was the liniat 175lb champ coming off his best b2b career wins.

if that doesnt how about defending your title 22 times or being 18yrs undefeated or being only the second man in boxing history to hold all 5 recognised alphabets in one weight class. Or holding the 168lb liniar championship and the same time holding the 175lb.

Take your pick i could go on.

Hopkins had 2 back to back losses vs Taylor moved upto light heavy and beat i weight drained Tarver he then beat Winky Wright who was overweight really fighting wise.Calzaghe should have lost twice in my eyes to Hopkins and Robin Reid.

You think Calzaghe lost to Hopkins and Reid? thankyou that clears up a lot.

Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

Originally Posted by tysonbruno

Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

Maybe not but Hopkins was the liniat 175lb champ coming off his best b2b career wins.

if that doesnt how about defending your title 22 times or being 18yrs undefeated or being only the second man in boxing history to hold all 5 recognised alphabets in one weight class. Or holding the 168lb liniar championship and the same time holding the 175lb.

Take your pick i could go on.

Hopkins had 2 back to back losses vs Taylor moved upto light heavy and beat i weight drained Tarver he then beat Winky Wright who was overweight really fighting wise.Calzaghe should have lost twice in my eyes to Hopkins and Robin Reid.

You think Calzaghe lost to Hopkins and Reid? thankyou that clears up a lot.

Many thought Hopkins and Reid beat him.

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Originally Posted by Master

It is too late for Joe to be considered a great, his heart and hands are not up to equalling Louis and Marciano's records, let him make big money with big names fighters who pose less risk like Hopkins and Jones.

Who did Marciano beat that were better than Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins?

Marciano's record is no better than Joe's if you actually know boxing history.

He only defended his title six times for fucks sake. He won it against the 50's equivilant of Frank Bruno, an old guy who won the world title finally in his 4 or 5th attempt only to lose it in his second defense. And he was beating him on all the judges cards before Rocky put him away.

He only actually defended his title against 5 men and one of them was a rematch with Woolcott.

You have a myopic view of boxing history in that you can see weaknesses in a modern boxer's record but not in the past.

Calzaghe has already done as much as Marciano.

Who did Rocky Marciano beat better than those guys ?? Ezzard Charles Archie Moore Joe Louis Jersey Joe Walcott Roland LaStarza

Originally Posted by ssss

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Originally Posted by Master

It is too late for Joe to be considered a great, his heart and hands are not up to equalling Louis and Marciano's records, let him make big money with big names fighters who pose less risk like Hopkins and Jones.

Who did Marciano beat that were better than Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins?

Marciano's record is no better than Joe's if you actually know boxing history.

He only defended his title six times for fucks sake. He won it against the 50's equivilant of Frank Bruno, an old guy who won the world title finally in his 4 or 5th attempt only to lose it in his second defense. And he was beating him on all the judges cards before Rocky put him away.

He only actually defended his title against 5 men and one of them was a rematch with Woolcott.

You have a myopic view of boxing history in that you can see weaknesses in a modern boxer's record but not in the past.

Calzaghe has already done as much as Marciano.

Who did Rocky Marciano beat better than those guys ?? Ezzard Charles Archie Moore Joe Louis Jersey Joe Walcott Roland LaStarza

39yo Walcott who Louis beat in much better fasion, 38yo Louis, 41yo Moore (Lightheavy), Ezzard Charles who lost 12 of his next 16 fights.

Dont be silly.

Beat me to it 'Markusdarkus', i have just spent the last 10 minutes surfing the net and writing down the ages of Marciano's victims only to find you beat me to it
For the record Marciano was aged between 29 and 32 while beating those old men.
'ssss' proberbly just like the vast majority of sports fans think Marciano is a boxing God, that is my very point, if Calzaghe finishes his career 50 and 0 breaking every record in the book including wins over Roy Jones jr, Hopkins and Kessler, Calzaghe will become a boxing legend, even if boxing connaisseurs think differently.
Marciano is a good comparison to Calzaghe, Marciano only won the world title against 5 different boxers and they were all old men, Louis and Walcott never boxed again they were so old, Marciano would not have beaten some {most} of his world title victims in their hayday.
If Calzaghe hands are shot, his heart is no longer in it, his reactions are gone fair enough retire, but if he is able to carry on he should try and get to 50 and 0 and take his chance for perceived greatness by the masses {even if the experts think/know different alla Marciano}

Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

Originally Posted by ssss

Originally Posted by Bilbo

Who did Marciano beat that were better than Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins?

Marciano's record is no better than Joe's if you actually know boxing history.

He only defended his title six times for fucks sake. He won it against the 50's equivilant of Frank Bruno, an old guy who won the world title finally in his 4 or 5th attempt only to lose it in his second defense. And he was beating him on all the judges cards before Rocky put him away.

He only actually defended his title against 5 men and one of them was a rematch with Woolcott.

You have a myopic view of boxing history in that you can see weaknesses in a modern boxer's record but not in the past.

Calzaghe has already done as much as Marciano.

Who did Rocky Marciano beat better than those guys ?? Ezzard Charles Archie Moore Joe Louis Jersey Joe Walcott Roland LaStarza

39yo Walcott who Louis beat in much better fasion, 38yo Louis, 41yo Moore (Lightheavy), Ezzard Charles who lost 12 of his next 16 fights.

Dont be silly.

They were the best Heavyweights at that time regardless of age it isn't Rocky Marciano's fault he fought the best at that time and all of those names are more highly regarded than any names you mentioned regardless of age and if your bringing age into it remind me how old Bernard Hopkins was ? and remind me how much weight Chris Eubank had to lose in 1 week ? you can pick apart anyone resume infact you could make an argument most of Calzaghe's best opponents were past there prime but like i said Joe Calzaghe is very good fighter and i won't pick apart his record because like i said you can pick apart anyones resume even the great Sugar Ray Robinson.

Originally Posted by trampie

Beat me to it 'Markusdarkus', i have just spent the last 10 minutes surfing the net and writing down the ages of Marciano's victims only to find you beat me to it
For the record Marciano was aged between 29 and 32 while beating those old men.
'ssss' proberbly just like the vast majority of sports fans think Marciano is a boxing God, that is my very point, if Calzaghe finishes his career 50 and 0 breaking every record in the book including wins over Roy Jones jr, Hopkins and Kessler, Calzaghe will become a boxing legend, even if boxing connaisseurs think differently.
Marciano is a good comparison to Calzaghe, Marciano only won the world title against 5 different boxers and they were all old men, Louis and Walcott never boxed again they were so old, Marciano would not have beaten some {most} of his world title victims in their hayday.
If Calzaghe hands are shot, his heart is no longer in it, his reactions are gone fair enough retire, but if he is able to carry on he should try and get to 50 and 0 and take his chance for perceived greatness by the masses {even if the experts think/know different alla Marciano}

You missed the point i was just pointing out those names are more highly regarded than Kessler Hopkins Eubank look at all time P4P lists and Ezzard Charles Archie Moore Joe Louis are all in top 15 fighters of all time regardless what age they were that is the facts amongst boxing historians and i don't hold Rocky Marciano as a boxing god i think there were atleast 4 Heavyweights better than him Jack Johnson Larry Holmes Muhammad Ali Joe Louis to name a few im not even Rocky Marciano fan i just have seen too much hating on Rocky Marciano on boxing forums when the fact is he beat every Heavyweight that needed beating in his era.

Originally Posted by ssss

Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

Originally Posted by ssss

Who did Rocky Marciano beat better than those guys ?? Ezzard Charles Archie Moore Joe Louis Jersey Joe Walcott Roland LaStarza

39yo Walcott who Louis beat in much better fasion, 38yo Louis, 41yo Moore (Lightheavy), Ezzard Charles who lost 12 of his next 16 fights.

Dont be silly.

They were the best Heavyweights at that time regardless of age it isn't Rocky Marciano's fault he fought the best at that time and all of those names are more highly regarded than any names you mentioned regardless of age and if your bringing age into it remind me how old Bernard Hopkins was ? and remind me how much weight Chris Eubank had to lose in 1 week ? you can pick apart anyone resume infact you could make an argument most of Calzaghe's best opponents were past there prime but like i said Joe Calzaghe is very good fighter and i won't pick apart his record because like i said you can pick apart anyones resume even the great Sugar Ray Robinson.

Its not the Rocks fault im just pointing out that what he done is in no way better than what Joe Calzaghe done at 168.

The Rock had power thats why he is rememberd and maybe because he was white.

Salvador Sanchez did far more than the Rock retired 50 fights undefeated is he spoke about with such affection?