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05-02-2008, 08:13 AM
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Punch Power: 153 | | Emulation. +15 Well....It's a little embarassing....but....ah....I'm trying to emulate RJJ 
Not with the low hands and the reliance on reflexes for defense, but offensively anyway.
I sparred last night and although only one of the 5 guys I sparred was quality I felt it worked for me. I was rising up the right hand and throwing it sraight and I felt great.
I need to increase my speed obviously to use this style.
So I've got a dual question; 1. Is there a fighter that you aspired to be and trained like? 2. What steps did you take to train like him?
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05-04-2008, 03:11 AM
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Punch Power: 29 | | Re: Emulation. aspiring to be as great as rjj is fine, but you've also set your sights pretty damn hhigh, especially considering his natural talent and speed.
i beleive emultion is great. but you also have to keep natural ability in mind. u can't possibly be wayne gretzky if you don't have his (peripheral) vision on the ice. know what i mean?
that said, i try to take things away from different fighters, based on my skills and natural abilities. my strength is mostly downstairs, so anyone with body shots i try to lean somthing from. the ricky hatton change of footing for body shots, the mickey ward over under, etc.
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05-04-2008, 03:55 PM
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Punch Power: 34 | | Re: Emulation. If you're a fan of Roy's style then you might want to look at fighters that had a big influence on him, notably guys like Salvador Sanchez and Jersey Joe Walcott. This may give you insight into his feints, tactics, or even some of his classic "moves."
When studying a really good fighter, try to find the reasons behind what they're doing and what they're trying to accomplish. For instance, consider that their stance/posture might be fundamental to their fight strategy. This may lead to what being better off defensively while limiting and/or influencing their opponent's actions. That means more offensive opportunities, and from that their counters/tactics can be much more effective.
When you watch Roy Jones, try to imagine how it would be to fight him. Take note of his strengths and weaknesses. What kinds of challenges had his opponents presented him, which of it worked, and what you would do differently? It's the same kind of observation that you would use in actual fighting.
One neat thing that Thomas told me before is to try to shadowbox yourself. This is taking the stance/style of one of your opponents and shadowboxing an imagined version of yourself. Not only can this help you understand a particular fighter better, but what's also so essential to great boxing is understanding what your opponent sees when he fights you. It's in this high level of being able to play both sides of the chess board that seperates the bums from the champs.
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05-04-2008, 04:39 PM
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Punch Power: 29 | | Re: Emulation. this gts back to my theory that shadox boxing is wasted on most guys and scrap's saying that you hve to ask yourself WHY you are doing the things you're doing when you shadowbox. so many people just go throguh the motions. even if in front of a mirror, useless. in that case, you're better off to just sut your eyes and slip/parry punches in your head.
imagery is wonderful... almost as good as the real thing.
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05-06-2008, 07:30 AM
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Punch Power: 153 | | Re: Emulation. Von, I hope I'm not coming off as arrogant, but even in my "rigid" upright style, my reflexes allow me to stay out of the way a lot. I'm looking for an additional element to add to my style and this seems to befuddle many opponents. I've tried some and I can work with it.
Chris, I never knew that Roy tooks elements of Jersey Joe's game and adopted them! | 
05-06-2008, 01:18 PM
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Punch Power: 33 | | Re: Emulation. I actually used B-Hops style against Tarver when I fought MMA,I was just to old and out of shape for it,it worked for a bit,but I couldnt hold the submission hold because of a blown rotator cuff,I had it locked in,but I couldnt hold it.
But on the upright part,thats what I was doing,and it was working for longer then it should have
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05-06-2008, 01:21 PM
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Punch Power: 153 | | Re: Emulation. Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey I actually used B-Hops style against Tarver when I fought MMA,I was just to old and out of shape for it,it worked for a bit,but I couldnt hold the submission hold because of a blown rotator cuff,I had it locked in,but I couldnt hold it.
But on the upright part,thats what I was doing,and it was working for longer then it should have | Welcome back TM  | 
05-06-2008, 02:41 PM
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Punch Power: 78 | | Re: Emulation. I've never emulated. I have been guilty of doing the odd Ali shuffle when sparring for laughs and luckily haven't got knocked on my ass as a result.
I imagine it can be a good thing for an experienced boxer. Bringing in some new techniques and working on your style. The bad part about emulating I see is with beginners. So many new people join up and aspire to be the next RJJ or Mayweather and try to act like em. Not only do they look stupid in my eyes, but are robbing themselves of learning the absolute basics of the sport which are essential to start with.
I was lucky when starting in that I had no idea about the sports stars. I also had no idea about throwing punches and therefore no habits. I learned as i was taught and my trainers have told me I got one of the most important things to begin with. A by the books left jab. This has now turned into a decent left hook and other shots, but it started with a basic jab. I am orthodox boxer and only in the last 3 or 4 months have I even really discovered the right and what it can do.
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05-06-2008, 05:36 PM
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Punch Power: 113 | | Re: Emulation. This is really lame and gay and doesn't really have to do with boxing, but I have a note on my door that says, "Coming up like Winky." Anyway it is just to keep me motivated everyday that even though everyone may dislike you, avoid you, or you are in someone elses backyard, that you should keep working hard at what you do best, and that some day you will be recognized as a great. Because if you are willing to defeat people regardless of judges, regardless of the sanctioning bodies, you will become great and they can't contain you.
Then before all of my tests I watch Duran, Mancini, James Toney, and RJJ clips to get me pumped up to be the best and to have confidence.
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05-06-2008, 05:46 PM
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Punch Power: 33 | | Re: Emulation. Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey I actually used B-Hops style against Tarver when I fought MMA,I was just to old and out of shape for it,it worked for a bit,but I couldnt hold the submission hold because of a blown rotator cuff,I had it locked in,but I couldnt hold it.
But on the upright part,thats what I was doing,and it was working for longer then it should have | Welcome back TM  | Why thanks ya
That drop the jab hand down style,worked for a while,and i was able to drill kicks to the legs for a bit.If I had been training,or about 5 years younger it would have torn it up. Agreeing to do it bare knuckles, was just moronic on my part.
Old fighters have a hard time walking away from their ego,and Im no exception | 
05-07-2008, 03:55 AM
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Punch Power: 29 | | Re: Emulation. Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny Von, I hope I'm not coming off as arrogant, but even in my "rigid" upright style, my reflexes allow me to stay out of the way a lot. I'm looking for an additional element to add to my style and this seems to befuddle many opponents. I've tried some and I can work with it.
Chris, I never knew that Roy tooks elements of Jersey Joe's game and adopted them! | No doubt. Hey, I've always believed you can box.  | 
05-07-2008, 07:37 AM
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Punch Power: 153 | | Re: Emulation. Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey I actually used B-Hops style against Tarver when I fought MMA,I was just to old and out of shape for it,it worked for a bit,but I couldnt hold the submission hold because of a blown rotator cuff,I had it locked in,but I couldnt hold it.
But on the upright part,thats what I was doing,and it was working for longer then it should have | Welcome back TM  | Why thanks ya
That drop the jab hand down style,worked for a while,and i was able to drill kicks to the legs for a bit.If I had been training,or about 5 years younger it would have torn it up. Agreeing to do it bare knuckles, was just moronic on my part.
Old fighters have a hard time walking away from their ego,and Im no exception | Understood, while you were away I took on an mma challenge against an expierienced guy.
I actually did fine, and acquited myself bery well, but in hindsight it was dumb.
Busy training? Quote:
Originally Posted by Von Milash Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny Von, I hope I'm not coming off as arrogant, but even in my "rigid" upright style, my reflexes allow me to stay out of the way a lot. I'm looking for an additional element to add to my style and this seems to befuddle many opponents. I've tried some and I can work with it.
Chris, I never knew that Roy tooks elements of Jersey Joe's game and adopted them! | No doubt. Hey, I've always believed you can box.  | Ha, I know you have Von and I appreciate you for it.
Others though (who I will not name) have PM'd demanding I back up what I say and prove it! | 
05-07-2008, 12:43 PM
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Punch Power: 34 | | Re: Emulation. Quote:
Originally Posted by kimbo_slice_fan08
I demand that you back up what you say and prove it!  | You're ok mate. Take care.  | 
05-07-2008, 01:23 PM
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Punch Power: 153 | | Re: Emulation. Quote:
Originally Posted by Chris Nagel Quote:
Originally Posted by kimbo_slice_fan08
I demand that you back up what you say and prove it!  | You're ok mate. Take care.  | Where was this posted?!!!! | 
05-07-2008, 07:48 PM
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Punch Power: 33 | | Re: Emulation. [quote=hitmandonny;512783] Quote:
Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey Quote:
Originally Posted by hitmandonny Welcome back TM  | Why thanks ya
That drop the jab hand down style,worked for a while,and i was able to drill kicks to the legs for a bit.If I had been training,or about 5 years younger it would have torn it up. Agreeing to do it bare knuckles, was just moronic on my part.
Old fighters have a hard time walking away from their ego,and Im no exception | Understood, while you were away I took on an mma challenge against an expierienced guy.
I actually did fine, and acquited myself bery well, but in hindsight it was dumb.
Busy training?
GYm's slow right now,Im kinda digging on it,because I went in to the MMA fight with a torn ligament in my knee and a blown rotator cuff,I came out with a broken rib and nose to boot.
Bare knuckles MMA,sheese Im an idiot. For my next trick I plan to dive off a cliff without a parachute | |
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