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Yea I'm gonna go with Ring and the majority and place Joe 3rd... Mayweather and Pac are stellar and Calzaghe fits perfectly at 3rd mixing with good company
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Old 05-09-2008, 08:39 PM
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Mayweather is #1 PFP for now and the forseeable future. Pacquiao is #2 and deserves to be above Calzaghe, considering how much more impressive his resume is.

Calzaghe is either #3 or #4. I think someone could reasonably leave Marquez at #3, considering that Pac-Marquez II was basically an even fight.
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In my eyes, Calzaghe is #3 behind PBF and Pac. I DO NOT agree with rating Marquez above Calzaghe, expecially considering he is coming off A LOSS (no matter if it was controversial).
Yes, but that is exactly the point. I have Marquez top 3, becuase IN MY EYES he beat Pacquiao. He could have easily gotten the decision, and had he done so, he would probably be most everyone's number 2. What does how the judges saw the fight have to do with where he really stands? Why should it change where I consider him to be among the best, because the judges saw the fight differently than I did?. It's all someone's opinion anyways, I just feel he's a slightly better fighter than Calzaghe. IMO, the worst part about questionable judging these days is not even that it takes place, but that so many people are still willing to accept the judges decision as gospel. I'm not saying Marquez Pac was a bad decision either, but it certainly wasn'ta fight that Pacquiao clearly won, so why is he clearly ahead of Marquez p4p? Why is it out of the question to have Marquez top 3 p4p simply because he lost on paper? Being a p4p fighter isn't like having a belt, because the judges can't take your ability away from you.
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P for P, its got to be Winky playing on a level playing field. Look at his record, unless youre two weight divisions above nobodys interested
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Just been looking at the recent poles and Joe Calzaghe is listed as the number 1 pound for pound fighter out there at the moment after his win over Hopkins, I would rate him in the top 5 but his performance against Hopkins was far from exciting, Mayweather is a 5 weight world champ surely he is still the deserved Number 1 P4P. Calzaghe is a great talent but most of his career has been spent fighting limited opponents, even if he beat RJJ does beating 2 has beens qualify him as the best, I don't think so.

Good post. Welcome and have some rep. Can't disagree with anything you've said there. You feel about Calzaghe as I do. He is the real deal but he's left it too late to ever become number 1 p4p.
Also agree with the person who said the guys at number 1,2 and 3 will ALL need to have some seriously bad results in the near future for Calzaghe to surpass them.
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For me 1-Pretty Boy and 2- Calzaghe,Peace.
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I think if Joe was to defeat Pavlik and Jones Jr he would have a good claim at the top spot, but not now.
Why is that ?
Pavlik doesnt fight in his division and Jones is an old man ?
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I'd rate Calzaghe #3 but certainly no lower than 4th
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i have him at three.
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Just been looking at the recent poles and Joe Calzaghe is listed as the number 1 pound for pound fighter out there at the moment after his win over Hopkins, I would rate him in the top 5 but his performance against Hopkins was far from exciting, Mayweather is a 5 weight world champ surely he is still the deserved Number 1 P4P. Calzaghe is a great talent but most of his career has been spent fighting limited opponents, even if he beat RJJ does beating 2 has beens qualify him as the best, I don't think so.
Mayweather's best wins.

Diego Corrales
Jose Luis Castillo x2
ODLH
Ricky Hatton
Zab Judah
Genaro Hernandez
Carlos Hernandez
Angel Manfredy
Jesus Chavez
Arturo Gatti

Titles at Super Featherweight, Lightweight, Jr Welterweight, Welterweight, Jr Middleweight,

Joe Calzaghe's best wins.

Mikkel Kessler
Bernard Hopkins
Jeff Lacy
Chris Eubank
Robin Reid
Charles Brewer
Sakio Bika
Richie Woodhall
Charles Brewer

Titles at Super Middleweight, Light Heavyweight,

Mayweather is for certain higher than Calzaghe for a few simple reasons, 1 Mayweather is a better fighter P4P, 2 he has more quality wins, 3 he has more achievements.
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