Originally Posted by Dean Duke

I had SRL winning by a round although I wanted Hagler to hurt him bad at the time. After watching that fight a few times over the years SRL was a great boxer who knew how to nick a fight, showy flurries and great footwork made Hagler look slow at times. One thing I still dont understand is Haglers corner the Pettroneli brothers total lack of passion, you could see SRL was nicking rounds and they never told him he had too really put the pressure on and Knock out SRL to win the fight. It also should of been a fifteen round fight.

In negotiations Sugar Ray barged in and demanded "15 rounds, Cleto Reyes Gloves and an 18 x 18 ring."

Hageler reacted angrily "screw you I'm the champ 12 rounds Everlast Gloves and a 21 x 21 ring"

Ray smiled and said ok you're the champ.

Mindgames.

Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Originally Posted by Dean Duke

I had SRL winning by a round although I wanted Hagler to hurt him bad at the time. After watching that fight a few times over the years SRL was a great boxer who knew how to nick a fight, showy flurries and great footwork made Hagler look slow at times. One thing I still dont understand is Haglers corner the Pettroneli brothers total lack of passion, you could see SRL was nicking rounds and they never told him he had too really put the pressure on and Knock out SRL to win the fight. It also should of been a fifteen round fight.

In negotiations Sugar Ray barged in and demanded "15 rounds, Cleto Reyes Gloves and an 18 x 18 ring."

Hageler reacted angrily "screw you I'm the champ 12 rounds Everlast Gloves and a 21 x 21 ring"

Ray smiled and said ok you're the champ.

Mindgames.

, fucking hell is that true?


Then Leaonard deserved to win, he outsmarted Hagler.
Like most said, IMO Hagler blew it, he tried to be clever instead of fighting his fight which would have been more than enough at that stage of their careers.

Originally Posted by Bomp

Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Originally Posted by Dean Duke

I had SRL winning by a round although I wanted Hagler to hurt him bad at the time. After watching that fight a few times over the years SRL was a great boxer who knew how to nick a fight, showy flurries and great footwork made Hagler look slow at times. One thing I still dont understand is Haglers corner the Pettroneli brothers total lack of passion, you could see SRL was nicking rounds and they never told him he had too really put the pressure on and Knock out SRL to win the fight. It also should of been a fifteen round fight.

In negotiations Sugar Ray barged in and demanded "15 rounds, Cleto Reyes Gloves and an 18 x 18 ring."

Hageler reacted angrily "screw you I'm the champ 12 rounds Everlast Gloves and a 21 x 21 ring"

Ray smiled and said ok you're the champ.

Mindgames.

, fucking hell is that true?


Then Leaonard deserved to win, he outsmarted Hagler.
Like most said, IMO Hagler blew it, he tried to be clever instead of fighting his fight which would have been more than enough at that stage of their careers.

It's on the Suns DVD "Best of Boxing" Its an interview with Leonard.

Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Originally Posted by Bomp

Originally Posted by hitmandonny

In negotiations Sugar Ray barged in and demanded "15 rounds, Cleto Reyes Gloves and an 18 x 18 ring."

Hageler reacted angrily "screw you I'm the champ 12 rounds Everlast Gloves and a 21 x 21 ring"

Ray smiled and said ok you're the champ.

Mindgames.

, fucking hell is that true?


Then Leaonard deserved to win, he outsmarted Hagler.
Like most said, IMO Hagler blew it, he tried to be clever instead of fighting his fight which would have been more than enough at that stage of their careers.

It's on the Suns DVD "Best of Boxing" Its an interview with Leonard.

Thanks for that info, bad decision by Hagler IMO I would of gone for 15 rounds and a 18ft ring all day long, knowing that Leonard was coming back after a five year layoff what a Jedi move that was

Originally Posted by Dean Duke

Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Originally Posted by Bomp

, fucking hell is that true?


Then Leaonard deserved to win, he outsmarted Hagler.
Like most said, IMO Hagler blew it, he tried to be clever instead of fighting his fight which would have been more than enough at that stage of their careers.

It's on the Suns DVD "Best of Boxing" Its an interview with Leonard.

Thanks for that info, bad decision by Hagler IMO I would of gone for 15 rounds and a 18ft ring all day long, knowing that Leonard was coming back after a five year layoff what a Jedi move that was

Oh big time!

The everlast gloves favoured Leonard too, although Hagler was accustomed to them himself.

The ring size was hugely in Leonards favour.

That's not true I heard that Ray gave in to all of Haglers concessions as long as it was 12 rounds. Hagler was told that there would be no fight if it was 15 rounds.

Also the 5 year lay off impressed everyone including two of the judges when they should have concentrated on the fight and who was actually landing the damaging punches and working throughout the round. Also that the challenger had to take the title away from the champion.

Originally Posted by Master

That's not true I heard that Ray gave in to all of Haglers concessions as long as it was 12 rounds. Hagler was told that there would be no fight if it was 15 rounds.

Also the 5 year lay off impressed everyone including two of the judges when they should have concentrated on the fight and who was actually landing the damaging punches and working throughout the round. Also that the challenger had to take the title away from the champion.

It wasn't 5 year lay off it was 3 year lay off, remember he fought Kevin Howard in 1984, he was knocked down in that fight, and Hagler was laughing at ringside.

there was only something like 15 punches between as far as punch states go, but most of rays hit haglars gloves and arms, marvin landed the better shot, and like haglar says everytime he had ray going the bell would save him.........ray never shook haglar but haglar shook him a few times, ray did the pita patter thing and stole rounds of idiot judges, i even heard one of the judges say on the lengedary nights show that ray was landing solid shots when he rarely did................it once again comes down to weather a judge likes you or not.

haglar never trusted judges and only roberto duran took him all the way while champ, in that fight he pured it on in the last 3 rounds to make sure of victory, he then lost to ray, i've always felt haglar won, there were moments in the fight which were embaraceing, leonard running away around the ring, hitting gloves and getting the round, disgrace

Originally Posted by Master

That's not true I heard that Ray gave in to all of Haglers concessions as long as it was 12 rounds. Hagler was told that there would be no fight if it was 15 rounds.

Also the 5 year lay off impressed everyone including two of the judges when they should have concentrated on the fight and who was actually landing the damaging punches and working throughout the round. Also that the challenger had to take the title away from the champion.

Not what Ray says.

And the commentators remarked that the size of the ring greatly favoured Ray and they were wearing everlasts.

Ray talks shit, he is trying to make Hagler look a dick an is exaggerating the mind games that he was having.

Ray Leonard won the fight landed more controled the pace and the ring generalship as well. Watch the fight so much not even funny have Ray winning ever time but doesn't matter what i say Ray while alwasy have the win in the record books so i guess that good enough for me.

thanks for the neg rep MR140........YOU SAID...." More to scoring fights then landing harder shots Ray was landing more and had ring gernal ship "........ FACTS ARE HE ONLY LANDED 15 MORE, NO LANDSLIDE, AND HAGLAR WAS PRESSING FORWARD LANDING THE MORE TELLING SHOTS................... I WAS GONER NEG REP BACK BUT I'VE NEVER DONE THAT TO ANYONE, AND RESPECT EVERYONES FREE TO AIR THERE VIEWS ABOUT FIGHTS, BOXERS ETC ETC..................... I DON'T TAKE IT PERSONAL WHEN SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING AGAINST A BOXER I'M A FAN OF...........SEEMS YOU DO........... GOOD DAY TO YA SON

Like I said (and posted my card) I thinl Leonard nicked it (and I massively wanted Hagler to win) but I can't see how anybody would not have it any more than 1 round either way

My opinion is that SRL won based on the fact that he did more of what he wanted to do than Hagler. Who would've guessed that he'd get by with some of the antics he pulled in that fight? Better yet, how many times during it did you say " He's going down, this is it ", only for him to turn around and unleash a hellacious flurry and work his way out of the corner/off the ropes?

SRL fought his fight a little more than Hagler fought his, and because of that, I have to agree with the decision. Now, do I think it's not debatable? Hell no. This is one of the few instances in a situation like this where both sides of the argument have just as much validity.

Originally Posted by NUCLEAR BULL

thanks for the neg rep MR140........YOU SAID...." More to scoring fights then landing harder shots Ray was landing more and had ring gernal ship "........ FACTS ARE HE ONLY LANDED 15 MORE, NO LANDSLIDE, AND HAGLAR WAS PRESSING FORWARD LANDING THE MORE TELLING SHOTS................... I WAS GONER NEG REP BACK BUT I'VE NEVER DONE THAT TO ANYONE, AND RESPECT EVERYONES FREE TO AIR THERE VIEWS ABOUT FIGHTS, BOXERS ETC ETC..................... I DON'T TAKE IT PERSONAL WHEN SOMEONE SAYS SOMETHING AGAINST A BOXER I'M A FAN OF...........SEEMS YOU DO........... GOOD DAY TO YA SON

I've never seen the punchstats for this fight where did you see them ??