It was me and you're talking about a 20 yr old Ali had hadn't even entered his prime yet. But the real question is...was he beaten? No he wasn't.

Shavers was working for entire 3 minutes of the round where as Ali was fighting in spurts, i thought Shavers clearly won there fight by about 2 points. Well its not like Ali was that green when he fought Cooper, Jones, because shortly after these fights he did go on to beat Liston in one of his finest performances.

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He wasn't that far from his prime because he fought both Cooper and Jones in 63, and in just less than a year after his fight with Cooper he beat Liston in one of his finest performances.

The only one who you have seen ?? most of the ring side reporters had Young winning the Ali fight and majority of the boxing fans i know thinks Young won there fight as well. Yes Ali was overweight and he looked like crap, but that still doesn't change the fact that it was indeed a gift. And you can't be serious regarding Norton vs Ali 3 ?? thats one of the most controversial fights in history, and to say Ali won that hands down is just silly Daxx IMO not trying to be rude here by the way, when it is considered by most boxing fans that there 3rd fight is much more controversial than there 2nd meeting.

I had Ali winning all 3 of those...Just my Opp

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Thats interesting Daxx did you have Leonard beating Hagler ?? just out of curiosity i just want to see how you score fights.

ATG?.. No.

I have him behind SRR.

I have him behind, SRR, Armstrong, Pep, and you could make a case for others but guys like Greb etc, i don't really know enough about to make a real strong argument, but some people even say Sam Langford is the greatest P4P fighter of all time.