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Old 05-30-2008, 06:19 AM
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Default Re: Quit Now Ricky!

Bilbo you are dead wrong on a bunch of different levels.

If you really think Gamboa or Khan come close to beating Hatton even in a year's time then you are just crazy, certified nuts because there is no chance. Pacquiao winning would be a tough sell much less Khan or Gamboa.

I don't get why Tszyu was shot. He wasn't prime but he wasn't shot and was coming off one of his most impressive performances as a pro. I personally think Hatton's smothering pressure would have bothered Tszyu at any point in his career. It's just a style that gave Tszyu problems, he needed space to punch and he needed to be moving forward. Doesn't matter what year it was he was always going to have problems with Hatton.

And highlighting every trouble period he's ever had as a pro is just fickle. You could do that with any fighter on the planet, as long as they won the fight the point is moot.

And most importantly, if you think Hatton hasn't at all declined then again, just don't know what to say. Watch any fight, the Tszyu, Maussa fight specifically and then watch him against Collazo. Not the same fire. Not nearly the same bounce in his step, looked sluggish in both his fights in America. Looked better against Floyd but was in the ring with a much better fighter.

Talks of Hatton's demise have been greatly exaggerated. It's going to be a while before he has to come up with an exit strategy. Once guys like Lamont Peterson, Devon Alexander, Victor Ortiz develop more then he'll have a worthy challenger to his 140 lb supremacy. Right now he looks to be a cut above everybody at the weight.

I have no problem with hating a fighter but come on do you really buy what you are saying? That Khan or Gamboa would wreck Hatton? Honestly now...
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Old 05-30-2008, 08:00 AM
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Quit now Ricky! | The Sun |HomePage|Sport|SunSport Columnists

Colin Hart of The sun is calling for Hatton to quit.

The article annoyed the hell out of me.

Thoughts?
We got Reds under the bed
We got lovely's nude and tanned
We got the wife of a mass murderer
And we only paid her ten grand
We got Samantha Fox we got lots of sport
We got scroungers full of greed
"You Scum" is the headline
For you and your kids to read

The Sun says The Sun says
We're gonna look after you
The Sun says The Sun says
So it must be true

We got talk we got Lady Di
We got rapists in the dock
And best of all we got John Blake
Who knows everything about Rock
So if you wanna know what's going on
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It don't cost much for a jolly good read
And lots of pictures too

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He should quit he took loads of punches in that fight he leads with his face basically he used to jab his way in look for openings.Now he just does the old hook hold push them off hook hold push them off his defense is very leaky he looked like he had been in with Sam Peter at the end.He should hang up the gloves before he gets seriously hurt the skills have gone.
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Old 05-30-2008, 01:13 PM
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He should quit he took loads of punches in that fight he leads with his face basically he used to jab his way in look for openings.Now he just does the old hook hold push them off hook hold push them off his defense is very leaky he looked like he had been in with Sam Peter at the end.He should hang up the gloves before he gets seriously hurt the skills have gone.

such an insightful, deep, well thought out peice of work there.

You ever thought about becoming a columnist for ring magazine
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Old 05-30-2008, 01:38 PM
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Didn't see much wrong with TysonBruno's post tbh. I feel the same pretty much.
I find it really hard to agree when Hatton fans consider him an 'exciting' fighter, when I've just watched Wilfredo Gomez vs Lupe Pintor or Floyd Mayweather vs Jesus Chavez.
These guys really showed how inside fighting should be done and it was really entertaining, both going toe to toe on the inside with no holding at all. Short sharp punches. Unlike the really ugly and imo unentertaining garbage we've seen recently from Ricky Hatton. The Lazcano fight most rounds were fought with him tangling up Juans arms as though he were trying to break them! Just doesn't do it for me unfortunately.
Maybe his fans consider him getting hit too much exciting but I like to learn a little from watching boxing as well so yes I think Ricky has come to the end of the road. He has reached a very sudden plateau and just hasn't improved since the Tszyu fight. He's taken backward steps if anything.
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Default Re: Quit Now Ricky!

I personally don't understand why Hatton should quit immediately. IMO, he's never been as good as some people think, but i enjoy watching him fight. I can't see him beating anyone relevant at 147, but if he could beat Paulie, and maybe Bradley, then he might get another huge payday shot at an Oscar, or Pac, or possibly Floyd, which would be a decent way to go out, regardless of the outcome. I don't agree that he's completely shot, and punchdrunk. If anything, he was just not as good as what some people thought.
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Old 05-30-2008, 08:07 PM
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Bilbo you are dead wrong on a bunch of different levels.

If you really think Gamboa or Khan come close to beating Hatton even in a year's time then you are just crazy, certified nuts because there is no chance. Pacquiao winning would be a tough sell much less Khan or Gamboa.

I don't get why Tszyu was shot. He wasn't prime but he wasn't shot and was coming off one of his most impressive performances as a pro. I personally think Hatton's smothering pressure would have bothered Tszyu at any point in his career. It's just a style that gave Tszyu problems, he needed space to punch and he needed to be moving forward. Doesn't matter what year it was he was always going to have problems with Hatton.

And highlighting every trouble period he's ever had as a pro is just fickle. You could do that with any fighter on the planet, as long as they won the fight the point is moot.

And most importantly, if you think Hatton hasn't at all declined then again, just don't know what to say. Watch any fight, the Tszyu, Maussa fight specifically and then watch him against Collazo. Not the same fire. Not nearly the same bounce in his step, looked sluggish in both his fights in America. Looked better against Floyd but was in the ring with a much better fighter.

Talks of Hatton's demise have been greatly exaggerated. It's going to be a while before he has to come up with an exit strategy. Once guys like Lamont Peterson, Devon Alexander, Victor Ortiz develop more then he'll have a worthy challenger to his 140 lb supremacy. Right now he looks to be a cut above everybody at the weight.

I have no problem with hating a fighter but come on do you really buy what you are saying? That Khan or Gamboa would wreck Hatton? Honestly now...
I did that purely to make a point. Experts and guys on here were saying he should call it quits because he had some tough moments on Saturday. I pointed out that 3 or 4 years ago he still had tough moments against lesser opposition. The point is, getting caught a few times on Saturday does not warrant him retiring.

I still fail to see how anybody can see has declined when you consider the fights he struggled in 3/4 or 5 years ago.

I think people are basically using the Tszyu fight as a yard stick to how good he was. He was super-human that night. Just because he hasn't produced a performance on that level since, doesn't mean he should retire.
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Old 05-30-2008, 10:55 PM
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Default Re: Quit Now Ricky!

I just saw the fight at home properly. On Saturday I was in a bar and I downloaded it but right now was the first real good look at it. He's definitely not the fighter that beat Tszyu but he's still got enough for a few more entertaining fights left in him. He was hurt in the eighth but not in the tenth. Good luck to him for the future, but he's on the down slope now.
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