Thread: Top 10 P4P Fighters Skill Wise.

1 Floyd Mayweather Jr
2 Juan Manuel Marquez
3 Ivan Calderon
4 Joan Guzman
5 Rafael Marquez
6 Miguel Cotto
7 Christian Mijares
8 Chad Dawson
9 Jermain Taylor
10 Wladimir Klitschko

Just a quick list to get us started.

1. Floyd Mayweather Jr.

2. Juan Manuel Marquez

3. Joan Guzman

4. Gerry Penalosa

5. Christian Mijares

6. Nonito Donaire

7. Rafael Marquez

8. Vanes Martirosyan (for those who still doesn't know him, check out his fights)

9. Ivan Calderon

10. Juan Manuel Lopez

1. Joan Guzman

2. Cristian Mijares

3. Rafa Marquez

4. Hozumi Hasegawa <= Quickest feet in boxing IMO

5. Juan Manuel Marquez

6. Jorge Linares

7. Ivan Calderon

8. Joel Casamayor

9. Shane Mosley

10. Jermain Taylor

Floyd Mayweather should not be on this list as he is retired.

This should be interesting... Here's my list.


1. JMM
2. Mijares
3. Calderon
4. Guzman
5. BCD
6. Montiel
7. Hasegawa
8. Niida
9. Nonito
10. Linares
11. Molitor
12. Luevano
13. Narvaez
14. Paulie
15. Zahir

Anyone else wan't to add their list?

1 Floyd Mayweather Jr
2 Rafael Marquez
3 Fernando Montiel
4 Joan Guzman
5 Juan Manuel Marquez
6 Miguel Cotto
7 Christian Mijares
8 Koki Kameda
9 Jorge Linares
10 Nonito Donaire

I'll throw in my 2 cents

1. Juan Manuel Marquez
2. Ivan Calderon
3. Joel Cassamayor(One of the savviest fighters to ever grace the sport)
4. Bernard Hopkins (at 43 he still puts guys half his age to shame)
5. Christian Mijares
6. Miguel Cotto (still not a polished fighter but best at what he does)
7. Nonito Doniare (This kid has future All time great written all over him)
8. Joan Guzman (hasn't lost on a single scorecard in over 8yrs)
9. Gerry Penalosa (It is a shame people forget how good this guy really is)
10. Hozumi Hasgawa (If this guy fought in the states he would be a mega star)

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

1 Floyd Mayweather Jr
2 Rafael Marquez
3 Fernando Montiel
4 Joan Guzman
5 Juan Manuel Marquez
6 Miguel Cotto
7 Christian Mijares
8 Koki Kameda
9 Jorge Linares
10 Nonito Donaire

I know you like Koki but really?
#8 in a most skilled list.

No Calderon, No Nietes, No Niida, Higher then Linares & Nonito.
I gotta say I'm really surprised to see him on there.

The second Koki steps it up in class he'll be beat IMO. I think Nonito schools him and TKO's him in the later rounds.

i hate the p4p ranking, i thi it is th most bullshit thing in bxoing right now...

how can any possibly compare say a heavyweigh to say a wekterwight?


right, fuck the fact that he is "retired" Floyd is basicaly everyones "p4p" #1. mine in theory included... BUT how can u say, compare floyd to the likes of pavli, calzaghe, klitchko? how can anyone realisticaly say mayweather can do a job like pavlik can IF he was his size? how can you say floyd can do what calzaghe does at SMW? how can u fucking compare foyd the "p4p #1" toa aheabyweight? sure they are far from the best the devsision has been, but what can possibly fucking predict what mayweather would be like at 6.4 or 6,7?

to me personaly the p4p ratting is worse than all the bullshit belts

1. jmm
2. joel casyamor
3. joan guzman
4. ivan calderon
5. fernado montiel
6. jorge linares
7. miguel cotto
8. lucian bute
9. steve cunningham
10. shi winky wright

Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

1 Floyd Mayweather Jr
2 Rafael Marquez
3 Fernando Montiel
4 Joan Guzman
5 Juan Manuel Marquez
6 Miguel Cotto
7 Christian Mijares
8 Koki Kameda
9 Jorge Linares
10 Nonito Donaire

I know you like Koki but really?
#8 in a most skilled list.

No Calderon, No Nietes, No Niida, Higher then Linares & Nonito.
I gotta say I'm really surprised to see him on there.

The second Koki steps it up in class he'll be beat IMO. I think Nonito schools him and TKO's him in the later rounds.

I made this list on skills set alone. Why you think my boy Casamayor ain't on it. He skills are not what they once were. Kameda still has a lot to prove. But the talent and skills are there. I included him and not Calderon or Niida (who I'm very high on) cuz of the punch power factor. I rate Calderon and Niida both poorly in that department.

No Calzaghe i'm shocked but i'm glad.

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

1 Floyd Mayweather Jr
2 Rafael Marquez
3 Fernando Montiel
4 Joan Guzman
5 Juan Manuel Marquez
6 Miguel Cotto
7 Christian Mijares
8 Koki Kameda
9 Jorge Linares
10 Nonito Donaire

I know you like Koki but really?
#8 in a most skilled list.

No Calderon, No Nietes, No Niida, Higher then Linares & Nonito.
I gotta say I'm really surprised to see him on there.

The second Koki steps it up in class he'll be beat IMO. I think Nonito schools him and TKO's him in the later rounds.

I made this list on skills set alone. Why you think my boy Casamayor ain't on it. He skills are not what they once were. Kameda still has a lot to prove. But the talent and skills are there. I included him and not Calderon or Niida (who I'm very high on) cuz of the punch power factor. I rate Calderon and Niida both poorly in that department.

I actually think Joel has something left and will be back strong for the rest of his career. Just a personal opinion though. Maybe more of a hope. I understand your position though. I wanted to put Winky Wright on my list in the worst way but he has lost his last bout. I think he was flat robbed in the Taylor fight.

I also think like with Cassamayor (If he drops back down to at least 160) he will finish his career on top.

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by CutMeMick

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

1 Floyd Mayweather Jr
2 Rafael Marquez
3 Fernando Montiel
4 Joan Guzman
5 Juan Manuel Marquez
6 Miguel Cotto
7 Christian Mijares
8 Koki Kameda
9 Jorge Linares
10 Nonito Donaire

I know you like Koki but really?
#8 in a most skilled list.

No Calderon, No Nietes, No Niida, Higher then Linares & Nonito.
I gotta say I'm really surprised to see him on there.

The second Koki steps it up in class he'll be beat IMO. I think Nonito schools him and TKO's him in the later rounds.

I made this list on skills set alone. Why you think my boy Casamayor ain't on it. He skills are not what they once were. Kameda still has a lot to prove. But the talent and skills are there. I included him and not Calderon or Niida (who I'm very high on) cuz of the punch power factor. I rate Calderon and Niida both poorly in that department.

To be honest at this point I'm not sold on Koki.
Same thing about his power most of his KO's came early in his career.
Since the 1st Landeta fight he's won all of his major fights by points only stopping Origah (Not sure on the spelling here) who had only 6 fights. Coming into the fight.
But for the sake of the talk here let's say Koki does hit harder then Niida & Calderon what about the skills set. Certainly Ivan & Niida are far more skilled then Koki.

1. Buster Douglas
2. John Ruiz
3. Antonio Tarver
4. Hacine Cherifi
5. Nikolay Valuev
6. Oliver McCall
7. Glen Johnson
8. Hasim Rahman
9. Vonda Ward
10.John Medina