Thread: Landing Hooks and Uppercuts from the outside.

i dont know about a long long left hook. But if you're going to throw it as a lead punch, i found that the hook off the jab works well. The jab determines if they're in range or not, if they are, then pow, twist your hips and nail em.

Originally Posted by ICB

I wouldn't throw uppercuts from the outside watch what happened to Douglas against Holyfield, And watch what happened to Leonard throwing hooks from the outside against Hearns in the rematch. I find it so easy to counter my opponent when they try and throw hooks or uppercuts from the outside, good luck to you Donny if you can do it effectively but its not something i would ever do too risky.

You'll realise yourself that this is not necesarily true as you get more expierience.

Working on the outside, sometimes you need that uppercut in order to stop and opponent hunching his way in.

Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Originally Posted by ICB

I wouldn't throw uppercuts from the outside watch what happened to Douglas against Holyfield, And watch what happened to Leonard throwing hooks from the outside against Hearns in the rematch. I find it so easy to counter my opponent when they try and throw hooks or uppercuts from the outside, good luck to you Donny if you can do it effectively but its not something i would ever do too risky.

You'll realise yourself that this is not necesarily true as you get more expierience.

Working on the outside, sometimes you need that uppercut in order to stop and opponent hunching his way in.

When you guys are talking, your stating 'from the outside' as being (from at a greater distance than at nose to nose fighting).

I read it that way.
No wonder some of my posts are confusing for some if i dont explain what Im thinking in detail:

I often use that same term trying to describe the difference between fighting from or launching a strike from in between someones arms (on the inside) and then from the "outside" as in outside of their guard or over the top of one of their arms.

Is there a correct boxing term to use for this difference?

Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Originally Posted by ICB

I wouldn't throw uppercuts from the outside watch what happened to Douglas against Holyfield, And watch what happened to Leonard throwing hooks from the outside against Hearns in the rematch. I find it so easy to counter my opponent when they try and throw hooks or uppercuts from the outside, good luck to you Donny if you can do it effectively but its not something i would ever do too risky.

You'll realise yourself that this is not necesarily true as you get more expierience.

Working on the outside, sometimes you need that uppercut in order to stop and opponent hunching his way in.

Sorry Donny,I view an outside uppercut as a gift from god,I can walk right in on it,even at my age. Ill be in your jockstrap almost immediately wich is where I want to be anyway. And an outside uppercut, gives me my in.

Originally Posted by Andre

Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Originally Posted by ICB

I wouldn't throw uppercuts from the outside watch what happened to Douglas against Holyfield, And watch what happened to Leonard throwing hooks from the outside against Hearns in the rematch. I find it so easy to counter my opponent when they try and throw hooks or uppercuts from the outside, good luck to you Donny if you can do it effectively but its not something i would ever do too risky.

You'll realise yourself that this is not necesarily true as you get more expierience.

Working on the outside, sometimes you need that uppercut in order to stop and opponent hunching his way in.

When you guys are talking, your stating 'from the outside' as being (from at a greater distance than at nose to nose fighting).

I read it that way.
No wonder some of my posts are confusing for some if i dont explain what Im thinking in detail:

I often use that same term trying to describe the difference between fighting from or launching a strike from in between someones arms (on the inside) and then from the "outside" as in outside of their guard or over the top of one of their arms.

Is there a correct boxing term to use for this difference?

I've learned three distances. Inside fighting, medium distance and long distance.
Long distance and medium distance I treat as "the outside."
I only regard toe to toe pursuits as truely being on the inside.

Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Originally Posted by ICB

I wouldn't throw uppercuts from the outside watch what happened to Douglas against Holyfield, And watch what happened to Leonard throwing hooks from the outside against Hearns in the rematch. I find it so easy to counter my opponent when they try and throw hooks or uppercuts from the outside, good luck to you Donny if you can do it effectively but its not something i would ever do too risky.

You'll realise yourself that this is not necesarily true as you get more expierience.

Working on the outside, sometimes you need that uppercut in order to stop and opponent hunching his way in.

Sorry Donny,I view an outside uppercut as a gift from god,I can walk right in on it,even at my age. Ill be in your jockstrap almost immediately wich is where I want to be anyway. And an outside uppercut, gives me my in.

I've seen them used with percision by Robinson, Ali, Jones and Arguello.
When facing a shorter fighter that tries to come straight forward they feint, draw a reaction and time it. They later feint again and when the reaction occurs, step in uppercut step out.

Its a classy little movement i'm finding difficult to learn.

Donny,one of the first things I tell my fighters when I show them Ali fights is,"Dont do that,your not Ali"

Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Donny,one of the first things I tell my fighters when I show them Ali fights is,"Dont do that,your not Ali"

Ha true enough, but I've developed some speed in my feet so I might attempt a few bits and pieces.

Originally Posted by hitmandonny

I would never train to throw a lunging hook.
I feel that lunging is by no means positive and should actually be discouraged.

Don't knock it till you try it....it's not like I just lept in with no defense and no regard for my chin.


When you feint the right cross you either get your opponent to try and cover up or they don't do anything and wait to time you coming in. After you feint you have your right hand up close to your chin protecting any counter shots and you also shift your weight to put big power on your hook.


This is not something to use all the time but like the right hook it can be used to great effect in certain situations.

I've tried it.

I've found that it not only robs you of your balance and leverage it also steals an opportunity for work from you.

When you lunge you lose the ability to apply full power and precision. You're not grounded, losing you're capacity for power.
However, lunging means you're also going to be moving towards an opponent at a fast rate. Even if you do connect you're bound to be two close to capitalise, smothering your own work and wasting opportunity.

Joe Frazier, Rocky Marciano, and Mike Tyson used it...you follow up with a right uppercut and you've just ran THEM into another power punch.


But fine, you do you....I'm just throwing out some stuff that has worked for me.


I doubt the guys I've hit with my hook have felt that anything was left out of it....I know I couldn't tell I hit any lighter because I don't leave the ground when I throw that combination...I wait until the fighter is in range pump the jab...pause step forward roll the right shoulder and see if they move their arms forward then I drop the bomb....if not I just keep my head moving and work the 1-2 until they buy the feint



But I know the best hook is the quick counter one and not the one loaded up on...I throw those different ways as well. On the quick one I turn my wrist aiming for the point of the chin, on the big one I keep my wrist perpendicular to the ground and I just want to make contact with anything a head, a glove, an arm, the body, anything just to let my opponent know what's coming.

Originally Posted by Lyle

Joe Frazier, Rocky Marciano, and Mike Tyson used it...you follow up with a right uppercut and you've just ran THEM into another power punch.


But fine, you do you....I'm just throwing out some stuff that has worked for me.

ya missed one, the late and great Floyd Patterson. I remember being in awe of his leaping left hook, seeing him lay out Johansson with it was awesome. He often executed it in the same manner you're talking about too, in which he would feint with his right to the body, and that would coil up his legs to unleash that leaping left hook. good stuff.

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Originally Posted by hitmandonny

I've tried it.

I've found that it not only robs you of your balance and leverage it also steals an opportunity for work from you.

When you lunge you lose the ability to apply full power and precision. You're not grounded, losing you're capacity for power.
However, lunging means you're also going to be moving towards an opponent at a fast rate. Even if you do connect you're bound to be two close to capitalise, smothering your own work and wasting opportunity.

Donny i see where Lyle is coming from, but i can also see your POV of the whole idea of 'lunging' also . You see it as a balls out jump at your opponent and swing, which yes, would either stuff your range or leave you off balanced and in no position to launch any other offense.

But i think Lyle means a controlled calculated lunge. As with any other punch thrown in boxing, all the factors have to be considered, such as your range, the timing, the direction your opponent is moving, etc etc. Even moreso with the leaping left hook. If you time it correctly and find the perfect range, that seemingly desperate lunge is nothing more than a method of closing that distance, and if landed, it can put you in a perfect position to throw another punch off of it.

But theres really no argument, because you're correct also. As with any lunging attack, you miscalculate and you can be in a world of shit, with everything you mentioned, stuffed range, no chance of a follow up attack. But it cant be totally ruled out of your arsenal. Just gotta know when to use it and how to set it up.

Its basically,if you get caught lunging with a straight right your screwed. Actually Frazier and Tyson didnt lunge as much as weave in

Feinting the right cross is an easy way to "weave in"...it's like a pitcher throwing fastball after fastball and then dropping a curve that buckles their knees.


I like trying to set up my punches off of other punches because I want a complete game but if something works well then I'll go back to it and that "calculated lunge" is something that has worked very well for me

Originally Posted by Lyle

Feinting the right cross is an easy way to "weave in"...it's like a pitcher throwing fastball after fastball and then dropping a curve that buckles their knees.


I like trying to set up my punches off of other punches because I want a complete game but if something works well then I'll go back to it and that "calculated lunge" is something that has worked very well for me

Obviuolsy you'd adjust, but what happens if yiou get into the habit of lunging and your opponent times you?

I just can't ever see where an outside opening uppercut would not be dangerous to someone's health.

I'm really working on incorporating my uppercut in now to different combinations. Like say jab-straight right-uppercut. Trying to work from head to body, then to uppercut, like say an overhand right-lefthook to body-uppercut. Trying to also get it as part of an inside offensive-defence for those shorter fighters that are good coming in.

I found as mentioned in an earlier thread my opening hook I was having so much fun with and landing at will soon got exposed as a weakness when I ran into a tall fighter. So I rarely ever open with it any more.

Who knows, maybe things will come full circle and I can get back to opening with it...the hook...but for now it is a finishing shot and more effective like that for me.