I want Valero next for PacMan! - Page 2

ICB · #16 (**permalink**) 07-06-2008, 07:43 PM

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Pac and Valero's resume can not be compared, valero is already 27 and his still fighting BUM's pac by 24 already brutally defeated marco. Pac always had the better oppenents since day one of pacs career. They never put anybody in with valero that had a pulse til he couldn't beat the 19 straight 1st round record. They hyped valero up like that but only after he couldn't get the record did they test valero just a little with mosquera. Thats actually valero's only good win and his already going up near 30 years of age. Talk about pampered record man.

Plus Pacquiao started pro boxing at 17 didn't he ??

im not sure but maybe as young as marco when he started pro at age 15.

Thats why his KO percentage isn't higher i was watching a few of his early fights a few days ago and i noticed he had a low KO percentage, but thats because he was still a boy, even Kelly Pavlik said when he was a boy he wasn't a puncher until he become a man.

Julius Rain · #17 (**permalink**) 07-06-2008, 07:56 PM

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Plus Pacquiao started pro boxing at 17 didn't he ??

im not sure but maybe as young as marco when he started pro at age 15.

Thats why his KO percentage isn't higher i was watching a few of his early fights a few days ago and i noticed he had a low KO percentage, but thats because he was still a boy, even Kelly Pavlik said when he was a boy he wasn't a puncher until he become a man.

yea a boy amongst men, but he still held his own against them.

Violent Demise · #18 (**permalink**) 07-06-2008, 08:16 PM

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Julius my friend, regardless of how crappy Valero's opponents are except Mosquera his punching power is undeniable.
Pac also fought BUMS early in his career but he wasnt able to take them out in 1 round, 18 first round consecutive kayos and 100% kayo ratio is Guiness book of world records type stuff.
I agree PAC should box smartly here ala PAC-DIAZ (even more cautiously).

Pac and Valero's resume can not be compared, valero is already 27 and his still fighting BUM's pac by 24 already brutally defeated marco. Pac always had the better oppenents since day one of pacs career. They never put anybody in with valero that had a pulse til he couldn't beat the 19 straight 1st round record. They hyped valero up like that but only after he couldn't get the record did they test valero just a little with mosquera. Thats actually valero's only good win and his already going up near 30 years of age. Talk about pampered record man.

Your talking like a pure hater. You either don't know or choose to ignore the fact that Valero until recently was not allowed to fight in the US. That right there is to blame for his poor opposition. Name a good fighter that would of gone to Japan and fought him? You can't. Cuz nobody would of done it. Valero has faced a lot of bums. But he's done what he's suppose to do with them. He's destroyed them. You can deny Valero's power if you want. But the great Erik Morales himself said Valero can punch. And Erik Morales opinion carries a lot more weight than yours.

Julius Rain · #19 (**permalink**) 07-06-2008, 08:27 PM

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Julius my friend, regardless of how crappy Valero's opponents are except Mosquera his punching power is undeniable.
Pac also fought BUMS early in his career but he wasnt able to take them out in 1 round, 18 first round consecutive kayos and 100% kayo ratio is Guiness book of world records type stuff.
I agree PAC should box smartly here ala PAC-DIAZ (even more cautiously).

Pac and Valero's resume can not be compared, valero is already 27 and his still fighting BUM's pac by 24 already brutally defeated marco. Pac always had the better oppenents since day one of pacs career. They never put anybody in with valero that had a pulse til he couldn't beat the 19 straight 1st round record. They hyped valero up like that but only after he couldn't get the record did they test valero just a little with mosquera. Thats actually valero's only good win and his already going up near 30 years of age. Talk about pampered record man.

Your talking like a pure hater. You either don't know or choose to ignore the fact that Valero until recently was not allowed to fight in the US. That right there is to blame for his poor opposition. Name a good fighter that would of gone to Japan and fought him? You can't. Cuz nobody would of done it. Valero has faced a lot of bums. But he's done what he's suppose to do with them. He's destroyed them. You can deny Valero's power if you want. But the great Erik Morales himself said Valero can punch. And Erik Morales opinion carries a lot more weight than yours.

So your saying just cause a fighter never fights in the US he gonna have poor opposition. What about the U.K fighters? Valero could of done a lot better going places to places like winky did when he wasn't gettting the respect in the u.s. Mexico,Europe,Asia. in fact thats a featherweight champion named chris john in asia. why couldn't valero go up and see him? he went up and saw mosq but im pretty sure adding chris john would of been a lot better then the other 23 bums on his resume.

yea eric said he can punch but thats in sparring. valero is sparring mate to eric and mab for preparation to pac. That should tell you his level compared to pac. a sparing mate, valero is just a sparring mate.

Violent Demise · #20 (**permalink**) 07-06-2008, 08:37 PM

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Pac and Valero's resume can not be compared, valero is already 27 and his still fighting BUM's pac by 24 already brutally defeated marco. Pac always had the better oppenents since day one of pacs career. They never put anybody in with valero that had a pulse til he couldn't beat the 19 straight 1st round record. They hyped valero up like that but only after he couldn't get the record did they test valero just a little with mosquera. Thats actually valero's only good win and his already going up near 30 years of age. Talk about pampered record man.

Your talking like a pure hater. You either don't know or choose to ignore the fact that Valero until recently was not allowed to fight in the US. That right there is to blame for his poor opposition. Name a good fighter that would of gone to Japan and fought him? You can't. Cuz nobody would of done it. Valero has faced a lot of bums. But he's done what he's suppose to do with them. He's destroyed them. You can deny Valero's power if you want. But the great Erik Morales himself said Valero can punch. And Erik Morales opinion carries a lot more weight than yours.

So your saying just cause a fighter never fights in the US he gonna have poor opposition. What about the U.K fighters? Valero could of done a lot better going places to places like winky did when he wasn't gettting the respect in the u.s. Mexico,Europe,Asia. in fact thats a featherweight champion named chris john in asia. why couldn't valero go up and see him? he went up and saw mosq but im pretty sure adding chris john would of been a lot better then the other 23 bums on his resume.

yea eric said he can punch but thats in sparring. valero is sparring mate to eric and mab for preparation to pac. That should tell you his level compared to pac. a sparing mate, valero is just a sparring mate.

Valero has never fought at 126 in his life. Why would he drop down to that weight and travel to Indonesia to fight Chris John. How much sense would that make? Every one saw what happened to Marquez when he went over there. And you can't compare Winky situation to Valero. Winky got no respect in the US cuz of his fighting style. Valero couldn't get licensed in the US. Big difference.

Julius Rain · #21 (**permalink**) 07-06-2008, 09:06 PM

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Your talking like a pure hater. You either don't know or choose to ignore the fact that Valero until recently was not allowed to fight in the US. That right there is to blame for his poor opposition. Name a good fighter that would of gone to Japan and fought him? You can't. Cuz nobody would of done it. Valero has faced a lot of bums. But he's done what he's suppose to do with them. He's destroyed them. You can deny Valero's power if you want. But the great Erik Morales himself said Valero can punch. And Erik Morales opinion carries a lot more weight than yours.

So your saying just cause a fighter never fights in the US he gonna have poor opposition. What about the U.K fighters? Valero could of done a lot better going places to places like winky did when he wasn't gettting the respect in the u.s. Mexico,Europe,Asia. in fact thats a featherweight champion named chris john in asia. why couldn't valero go up and see him? he went up and saw mosq but im pretty sure adding chris john would of been a lot better then the other 23 bums on his resume.

yea eric said he can punch but thats in sparring. valero is sparring mate to eric and mab for preparation to pac. That should tell you his level compared to pac. a sparing mate, valero is just a sparring mate.

Valero has never fought at 126 in his life. Why would he drop down to that weight and travel to Indonesia to fight Chris John. How much sense would that make? Every one saw what happened to Marquez when he went over there. And you can't compare Winky situation to Valero. Winky got no respect in the US cuz of his fighting style. Valero couldn't get licensed in the US. Big difference.

he said he'd drop to 126 before for pac back when pac was still down in that division. And everybody was like valero is going to knock pac out. He could of drop down and knock john out no problem if his hype is that real. unlike jmm valero wouldn't let it go to the decision right?

yea i can't compare winky and valero, winky is a great fighter.

Violent Demise · #22 (**permalink**) 07-06-2008, 09:16 PM

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So your saying just cause a fighter never fights in the US he gonna have poor opposition. What about the U.K fighters? Valero could of done a lot better going places to places like winky did when he wasn't gettting the respect in the u.s. Mexico,Europe,Asia. in fact thats a featherweight champion named chris john in asia. why couldn't valero go up and see him? he went up and saw mosq but im pretty sure adding chris john would of been a lot better then the other 23 bums on his resume.

yea eric said he can punch but thats in sparring. valero is sparring mate to eric and mab for preparation to pac. That should tell you his level compared to pac. a sparing mate, valero is just a sparring mate.

Valero has never fought at 126 in his life. Why would he drop down to that weight and travel to Indonesia to fight Chris John. How much sense would that make? Every one saw what happened to Marquez when he went over there. And you can't compare Winky situation to Valero. Winky got no respect in the US cuz of his fighting style. Valero couldn't get licensed in the US. Big difference.

he said he'd drop to 126 before for pac back when pac was still down in that division. And everybody was like valero is going to knock pac out. He could of drop down and knock john out no problem if his hype is that real. unlike jmm valero wouldn't let it go to the decision right?

yea i can't compare winky and valero, winky is a great fighter.

Asking Valero to drop to 126 to fight Chris John is like asking Pavlik to drop to 154 to fight Cory Spink (if he was still champion). It makes no sense. And it's dumb. People want to see Valero fight. Nobody wants to see John fight. Valero is the bigger name. A big puncher. Big names and big punchers don't drop down in weight to fight runners.

Julius Rain · #23 (**permalink**) 07-06-2008, 09:19 PM

so do you think valero can beat pac?

Violent Demise · #24 (**permalink**) 07-06-2008, 09:23 PM

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so do you think valero can beat pac?

No. I think Pac will win a one-sided fight if he boxes. If he trades with him he gives Valero his only chance of winning. And yes I do think Valero has the power to hurt Pac. But it won't happen. Pac is not a stupid fighter. He won't fight Valero's fight. There is no need too.

Julius Rain · #25 (**permalink**) 07-06-2008, 09:28 PM

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so do you think valero can beat pac?

No. I think Pac will win a one-sided fight if he boxes. If he trades with him he gives Valero his only chance of winning. And yes I do think Valero has the power to hurt Pac. But it won't happen. Pac is not a stupid fighter. He won't fight Valero's fight. There is no need too.

Good boy!

Pavlik · #26 (**permalink**) 07-07-2008, 11:53 AM

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If my sole interest in the sport was to see Pacquiao win fights, I'd want him to fight Valero next to. I think it's a complete mismatch. Valero is to easy to hit, has some questions around his own chin, way to slow to catch Manny with anything he shouldn't see. I do understand if the fight is made though, pretty much everyone else is tied up right now, wouldn't be a bad fight if it was made soon-ish. I think Guzman is the man to beat Pacquiao at LW. Maybe Juan Diaz or Campbell could give him a run as well, I kind of doubt it though. We'll see how Guzman does against NAte.

I agree but i do think it is a reasonable fight until the big boys at Lightweight get finished with there fights, and until Hatton takes care of Paulie. But i haven't ever really been impressed with Valero's power a majority of the time his KO's have come from a barrage of punches by coming out and swarming the opponent. As i've said before i think Valero is the new Daniel Ponce De Leon although not as strong as De Leon but pretty much the same IMO as in there both very limited. I think Valero gets crushed by Pacquiao unless he lands a very lucky punch, his defense is too leaky, he hasn't got good punching technique IMO he just swings for the fences, and he is far too slow and no one can stand toe to toe with Pacquiao at the moment and survive. And as for Joan Guzman i think he is very skilled and would give Pacquiao fits stylistically i think he is the worst fighter for Pacquiao to fight except Juan Manuel Marquez IMO.

Yup, Guzman and Marquez are PAC's kryptonites.

DBestBoxer · #27 (**permalink**) 07-08-2008, 05:45 PM

I feel sorry for Valero already.

Pacman will win this fight.

CountryBoy · #28 (**permalink**) 07-08-2008, 05:53 PM

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gotta disagree, I don't think Valero's power is overrated at all, skill wise He's not as good as Pac but he does have the punch that could take him out. wouldn't be surprised to see an upset in this one

Yep me too, It really depends who gets hit first, Pac is well schooled, But he does get hit and Valero can hit.... But so can Pac, I give the edge to Pac but Valero has a very good chance.