I already Repped you, and this post hits it right on the head 10000% not to mention Lacy dosent complain AT ALL!!!!
Mendoza karate chopped Lacy at least 20X to the back of the head
Mendoza after being rocked and stumbling landed a 3 punch combo to Lacys crouch, Jeff didnt complain
The only time I saw Lacy complain is when he tagged Mendoza and he flew backwards into the ropes and richoched off of Jeff and hit the floor.. The ref called it a slip when the ropes were the only thing holding up Mendoza
Well Miranda was beaten from ringpost to ringpost for 7 rounds. He absorbed huge punishment from a good puncher. Zertuche also absorbed big punches on a consistent basis for even longer. Miranda could take Abraham's shots in the first fight, he could not in the second one. Zertuche was totally shot after Pavlik and could not even be competative against a much lesser opponent than Pavlik after Pavlik dealt with him.
Maybe it is just me, but I would rather have Joe tee off on me for 12 rounds, than have Pavlik tee off on me for 7.
I also agree however, that Joe took something away from Lacy that fight. Lacy had a very rough go of it that fight.
Last edited by Deanrw; 07-24-2008 at 07:14 PM.
You cannot seriously be saying that Miranda took more punishment in the Pavlik fight than Lacy did vs Calzaghe!
Calzaghe has far faster hands far better footwork and doesnt hit as hard so you are getting punched to the brink but not quite done then next round same thing. Pavlik at 160lbs beats you up the its over its not prolonged plus fighter will always feel they have a chance against such a limited plodder so they gain confidence. Lacy was beat every second of every round.
I think Miranda was ruined by Abraham, Pavlik just finished his career off.
Jeff Lacy was never taught to BOX and was never taught how to set up his left hook properly. Had Lacy used more combinations and had faster handspeed or better timing then his career would have been salvaged after the Calzaghe fight. I think he just spent too much time in the amateurs
...it's the same with Hatton and Haye
It goes both ways. You can call Calzaghe a feather fisted pitter patter and say that Pavlik hitting you for 7 rounds is a lot worse then bearing Calzaghe or 12. Lacy was worn down but never really hurt like he was last night against Calzaghe. Miranda was beaten into a slump on the ropes.
Never in here will you find I called Joe featherfisted or a slapper. What I said was I would rather endure Joe in the ring for 12 rounds than pavlik for 7.
Pavlik just seems to really hurt people when he unloads. Joe does not have his type of power. I was just stating the obvious as I see it. Marcus stated earlier that Miranda did not take a beating like Lacy did. I beg to differ on that.
Pavlik whooping Miranda doesn't really compare with Cazlaghe's masterclass shellacking exhibition dished out to Lacy. One was a NON title fight on a Jermain Taylor UNDERCARD, the other was a UNIFICATION fight between the TWO premier supermiddles at the time.
It is all about context.
3-Time SADDO PREDICTION COMP CHAMPION.
Yeah but the mental beating was far worse for Lacy, obvioulsy
(I haven't read all the thread.. or properly, sorry)
3-Time SADDO PREDICTION COMP CHAMPION.
One thing I noticed in his last fight is I didn't see Birmingham in his corner. That kind of made things weird.
But he looked pretty good when he was double jabbing to the right hand. And then he started winging shots. I don't know what happened. First few times he looked good, then after eh got stunned he started winging.
I think the shoulder injury has messed him up though. Did he even really throw a left hook with authority last night?
He still has guts and heart. But he really needs to learn to use his jab more and have confidence in that left hook again
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