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IMO Hopkins should be the favorite here. He, IMO, beat Calzaghe in a close fight because he landed the cleaner more accurate punches, and compubox poorly illustrated the real facts ofhow many punches Calzaghe was landing. Secondly when has Pavlik ever been in there with somebody who has the ability to move around, Sure Pavlik is a good fighter when you are right there to be hit, but nobody looks good against Hopkins, I thought Wright would be able to, to a degree, but he lost a close fight, I thoguht Calzaghe would be able to, but he lost a close fight(IMO). The only two guys p4p in the past 15 years that I would say were clearly better than Hopkins are Mayweather and RJJ. Besides that I have him up there with Whitaker and the rest of them. Hopkins finds ways to win, Calzaghe is as busy if not busier than Pavlik, he's a lot faster, and he is a better boxer. Yet against Hopkins he looked like an amateur who won for the simple fact people don't understand that clean punching wins rounds more than anything else.
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Pavlik will walk Hopkins down and knock him out, But I respect whatcha saying
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Old 07-26-2008, 06:48 AM
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I dont think Hopkins can beat Pavlik now. Pavlik throws too many punches and will most likely outwork Hopkins down the stretch to take a decision. Hopkins is in great shape for his age and did better than I thought he would against Calzaghe. Pavlik would stalk him down and those old legs can't run forever. Hopkins was looking for a way out against Calzaghe towards the end with that phantom low blow.

Hopefully Calzaghe can blow Jones away and Pavlik can impress against BHop (if that is possible??)....then we might have a fight that truly interests me.
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Default Re: Are people honestly counting Hopkins out?

Pavlik will out work B'hop but if Pavlik just throws the jab then a straight right after he will become easy to to work out and Hopking will counter much like he did with Calzaghe and cause Kelly to think alot more.But it wont be enough round to get the win .

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While I agree that there is just no way Pavlik is going to look very good in this fight unless Hopkins becomes shot overnight which is obviously a real possibility, Hopkins can't be the favorite. I do agree that Pavlik will have some problem with a mover, but just don't believe that Bernard has the sustained movement to win enough rounds to win on a scorecard. I really disagree with those who thinks Pavlik wins by stoppage. Even at this age, I just can't picture Hopkins getting KO'd.

That being said, Bernard does have some problems with the jab, I think Pavlik's output won't be great but enough to win enough rounds and I think he takes it on the scorecards.
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I dont think Pavlik creates enough angles to get his shots off before Hopkins wraps him up. I can see Pavlik squeezing a dec but i think the old fox will have him in his pocket.
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I just wish Hopkins would go out and make it a real gut wrenching war and if possible, not go out on his shield.
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This fight won be a blow out, Hopkins cinch punch hold style will make it close.
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Hopkins doesn't throw enough to win against Pavlik. HOw can he be the favorite. He is like 50 and looked shit in his last fight.
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IMO Hopkins should be the favorite here. He, IMO, beat Calzaghe in a close fight because he landed the cleaner more accurate punches, and compubox poorly illustrated the real facts ofhow many punches Calzaghe was landing. Secondly when has Pavlik ever been in there with somebody who has the ability to move around, Sure Pavlik is a good fighter when you are right there to be hit, but nobody looks good against Hopkins, I thought Wright would be able to, to a degree, but he lost a close fight, I thoguht Calzaghe would be able to, but he lost a close fight(IMO). The only two guys p4p in the past 15 years that I would say were clearly better than Hopkins are Mayweather and RJJ. Besides that I have him up there with Whitaker and the rest of them. Hopkins finds ways to win, Calzaghe is as busy if not busier than Pavlik, he's a lot faster, and he is a better boxer. Yet against Hopkins he looked like an amateur who won for the simple fact people don't understand that clean punching wins rounds more than anything else.
Also don't forget the one "Universal" fact nobody looks good against B-Hop
Hopkins aim was to spoil, Joe was the one making the fight and Hopkins pathetic low blow claims and play acting all went againsed him, Joe won an awkward fight. Any judge favouring a cheat and a spoiler in a close fight needs a slap.

I agree with what you said about Pavlik, I don't think he has the experience to adapt to all the spoiling Hopkins is gonna depend on to win.
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While I agree that there is just no way Pavlik is going to look very good in this fight unless Hopkins becomes shot overnight which is obviously a real possibility, Hopkins can't be the favorite. I do agree that Pavlik will have some problem with a mover, but just don't believe that Bernard has the sustained movement to win enough rounds to win on a scorecard. I really disagree with those who thinks Pavlik wins by stoppage. Even at this age, I just can't picture Hopkins getting KO'd.

That being said, Bernard does have some problems with the jab, I think Pavlik's output won't be great but enough to win enough rounds and I think he takes it on the scorecards.
Even if Hopkins gets old overnight, he'll still make it ugly. Pavlik will be able to keep Hopkins at the end of the jab and unlike Calzage, when Hopkins does get hit, he will feel it. Nard will probably make this very close, and there will probably be people who see Hopkins as the winner, but I think the judges will see it for Pavlik.
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I just wish Hopkins would go out and make it a real gut wrenching war and if possible, not go out on his shield.
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IMO Hopkins should be the favorite here. He, IMO, beat Calzaghe in a close fight because he landed the cleaner more accurate punches, and compubox poorly illustrated the real facts ofhow many punches Calzaghe was landing. Secondly when has Pavlik ever been in there with somebody who has the ability to move around, Sure Pavlik is a good fighter when you are right there to be hit, but nobody looks good against Hopkins, I thought Wright would be able to, to a degree, but he lost a close fight, I thoguht Calzaghe would be able to, but he lost a close fight(IMO). The only two guys p4p in the past 15 years that I would say were clearly better than Hopkins are Mayweather and RJJ. Besides that I have him up there with Whitaker and the rest of them. Hopkins finds ways to win, Calzaghe is as busy if not busier than Pavlik, he's a lot faster, and he is a better boxer. Yet against Hopkins he looked like an amateur who won for the simple fact people don't understand that clean punching wins rounds more than anything else.
Also don't forget the one "Universal" fact nobody looks good against B-Hop
Hopkins aim was to spoil, Joe was the one making the fight and Hopkins pathetic low blow claims and play acting all went againsed him, Joe won an awkward fight. Any judge favouring a cheat and a spoiler in a close fight needs a slap.

I agree with what you said about Pavlik, I don't think he has the experience to adapt to all the spoiling Hopkins is gonna depend on to win.
Stop humping Joe's leg, Hopkins made Joe look horrible.

I still don't see everyone argument, people claimed that Calzaghe, Wright, Taylor would all do out work Hopkins, but he stop every one of them from producing an effective offense, Technically Pavlik isn't on any of their levels except Taylor, and I don't how Pavlik will be able to do anything different than these guys, He doesn't bring anything new to the table except punching power, but you can't hurt what you can't hit.
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