Thread: Cotto's first loss loike Tszyus first loss?

I cant help but see the similarities between Miguels loss on the weekend and Kostya's first loss to Vince Phillips.
Both Cotto and Tszyu were better 'boxers' than there opponents but lost due to the unrelenting pressure of the other guy in the ring.
Anyone else see the similarities or is it just me?
Kostya came back to do great things and i think Cotto will as well.

Yeah good point. In both instances too neither guy really gave up - there was just nothing left. Cotto has always fought the best and will continue too so a loss is almost inevitable. He's young and as you say am sure will continue on to bigger and better things.

Many people called that one a fluke,Phillips coming off a loss but Vince had skills also.He had a harsh straight right hand along with sturdy Chin.Man I thought Kostya would exploit cut prone Phillips but it all caught up to him in 10th.That guy had some serious personal problems.I think Margarito has surpassed Phillips even prior to Last night in respected careers and was by no means a faded name ,honestly with Phillips, brought into lose Imo to a rising star.

I do think we will see Cotto regain big league stature but I'm not keen on a rematch for Cotto at the moment.

Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

Many people called that one a fluke,Phillips coming off a loss but Vince had skills also.He had a harsh straight right hand along with sturdy Chin.Man I thought Kostya would exploit cut prone Phillips but it all caught up to him in 10th.That guy had some serious personal problems.I think Margarito has surpassed Phillips even prior to Last night in respected careers and was by no means a faded name ,honestly with Phillips, brought into lose Imo to a rising star.

I do think we will see Cotto regain big league stature but I'm not keen on a rematch for Cotto at the moment.

I agree and there is no doubt Margo is better than Vince ever was. Both had a similiar style tho, sturdy chins and pressure style.
Cotto was on a winning streak like KT was before the Philips fights. Kostya had never really fought a pressure guy before just like Cotto hadnt fought a pressure guy like Margo before. They both got found out.
Cotto just had that same kinda shocked look that Kostya had when he got TKO'd.

That was another great fight, although it stung at the time watching Kostya fall.
I bet Ricky Hatton studied that tape a few times too.

Cotto can come back.
He boxed very well, but quite simply Margarito used his expierience to steal Cotto's stamina, will and heart from him.

Cotto can build on this loss, it was more of a surrender than a stoppage, he can build.

Tszyu was in the worst shape of his whole career for that fight whereas Cotto looked in good shape but tired because of breathing problems. If Tszyu had a rematch with Phillips I would have fancied him to KO him. The guy is one of the best punchers p4p in history and he had one off bad night. I'm not sure Cotto would beat Margo in a rematch but i wouldn't write him off!

Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

Tszyu was in the worst shape of his whole career for that fight whereas Cotto looked in good shape but tired because of breathing problems. If Tszyu had a rematch with Phillips I would have fancied him to KO him. The guy is one of the best punchers p4p in history and he had one off bad night. I'm not sure Cotto would beat Margo in a rematch but i wouldn't write him off!

tbh I thgink Cotto tired because of the amount of movement he had to do alongside the fact that Tony was pounding his ribs at every given opportunity.

Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

Tszyu was in the worst shape of his whole career for that fight whereas Cotto looked in good shape but tired because of breathing problems. If Tszyu had a rematch with Phillips I would have fancied him to KO him. The guy is one of the best punchers p4p in history and he had one off bad night. I'm not sure Cotto would beat Margo in a rematch but i wouldn't write him off!

tbh I thgink Cotto tired because of the amount of movement he had to do alongside the fact that Tony was pounding his ribs at every given opportunity.

Sorry yes course he did. Just read my post again sounds like I'm making excuses for Cotto. It was a mixture of a lot of things, like you say he was using a lot of movement which was sure to catch up with him and that coupled with the fact Toni was banging him with fierce body shots and the fact he will have been struggling to breathe all accumulated to him tiring and being stopped by he better man on the night.

Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

Originally Posted by hitmandonny

Originally Posted by rjj tszyu

Tszyu was in the worst shape of his whole career for that fight whereas Cotto looked in good shape but tired because of breathing problems. If Tszyu had a rematch with Phillips I would have fancied him to KO him. The guy is one of the best punchers p4p in history and he had one off bad night. I'm not sure Cotto would beat Margo in a rematch but i wouldn't write him off!

tbh I thgink Cotto tired because of the amount of movement he had to do alongside the fact that Tony was pounding his ribs at every given opportunity.

Sorry yes course he did. Just read my post again sounds like I'm making excuses for Cotto. It was a mixture of a lot of things, like you say he was using a lot of movement which was sure to catch up with him and that coupled with the fact Toni was banging him with fierce body shots and the fact he will have been struggling to breathe all accumulated to him tiring and being stopped by he better man on the night.

You're right, I understand now what you mean my man.
The nose certainly was an issue.
He did well to do so well with it for what 8-9 rounds?

Margarito was conditioned like a 15 round fighter.

Nothing like the Phillips vs Tszyu fight that was seen more as a one off fluke.

people see 5 defeats and think hmm but the guy lost 3x before he was 18yo so really they mean squat the Santos loss was a cut eye. And he lost to Williams by one round, Margarito will beat Cotto quicker if they fought again Cotto will again lose heart mid fight when Tony is running him down he knows he cant stop him.

The Phillips fight was in no way a fluke. There wasn't many who could do it, but Tszyu just didn't like raw pressure like that provided by Phillips it's just that there were only 2 guys in his career who were able to provide that type of pressure.

It's a good comparision, I see some people talking down on Cotto after this but no one is going to beat Cotto the same way Tony did because there is just no one else like Tony at 147.

Its nothing alike.

Phillips like Rahman did very little before or after.Margarito was already a solid 2x champion and took his 3rd title off Cotto. The difference in levels is vast.

OK but if you look at the style matchup which is actually what determines fights not career accomplishments, Phillips was a nightmare matchup for Tszyu for the reasons I stated much the same way Margarito is a bad match up for Cotto.

Originally Posted by amat

OK but if you look at the style matchup which is actually what determines fights not career accomplishments, Phillips was a nightmare matchup for Tszyu for the reasons I stated much the same way Margarito is a bad match up for Cotto.

Yes but as ive mentioned before Tszyu was in terrible shape going into that fight. He admits he was beggining to feel invincible and was not training like he should and even got out of shape between fights which he never did again even when he was injured for nearly 2 years. It taught him a big lesson which he learned from and then went unbeaten until he was almost 36 when he was certainly a bit over the hill.