Thread: Cotto And Margarito To Rematch Next Summer

Cotto/Margarito Co-Headline in 2009, Rematch in June - Boxing News


I dont know about you guys but I already have the date marked on my calendar.

Now we will hopefully get a chance to see if the stuff people were saying went wrong for Cotto is true or if Tony is just too much of a bad style matchup for Cotto to ever overcome. Props to both wanting to do it again.

Margarito stops him again.

I wonder how Cotto-Clottey would play out?

Originally Posted by CFH

Margarito stops him again.

I wonder how Cotto-Clottey would play out?

Well Antonio Margarito's body shots wore out Joshua Clottey last time i would expect the same against Miguel Cotto and maybe Joshua Clottey would knock him down on a counter shot but i still see Miguel Cotto winning a decision and outworking Joshua Clottey who hasn't got the best stamina.

Man, it is pretty tough to rearrange a game plan against someone who basically had a plan of..."Cover my body and walk forward relentlessly into head shots and throw until I wear you down." It isn't like he knew or suspected Cotto was feather-fisted or anything either. Margos chin is amazing, and I thought Cotto did about all he could. The body wasn't there...the head was...and he hit it, again, and again, and...well, we all know how that ended up.

I respect both fighters, and of course want to see this match up. I root for Cotto, so of course want him to win, but admit I am a lot more skeptical then I initially was. I still think Margo, fighting as he does, even though it produces results..might end up in a diaper with someone wiping the drool from his chin long before he hits old age. A brain can only take so many slams against the cranium before it begins to turn to mush.

The only thing i would like Miguel Cotto to do is try and go to the body but saying that its hard to throw body shots on the back foot as you have to really plant your feet to make the body shots effective and i think Miguel Cotto needs to watch tapes on how Floyd Mayweather successfully stayed off the ropes against Jose Luis Castillo in there 2nd fight.

Originally Posted by ICB

Originally Posted by CFH

Margarito stops him again.

I wonder how Cotto-Clottey would play out?

Well Antonio Margarito's body shots wore out Joshua Clottey last time i would expect the same against Miguel Cotto and maybe Joshua Clottey would knock him down on a counter shot but i still see Miguel Cotto winning a decision and outworking Joshua Clottey who hasn't got the best stamina.

I can't argue with that assessment.

I can't see Cotto winning this unless he really does a runner and steals it. should still be entertaining, but I'd be dissapointed for Tony if all he'll get to do in the next 10 months is go over old ground Cotto/Clottey, not sure how long a guy with his style has left, and he has unfinished business with Williams.

Just can not see a different outcome.More tying up and inside standing ground would leave Cotto in even more of a danger range and just cannot see him boxing off the backfoot any better.I suspect he will dedicate vast majority of offense to Margaritos body but Tony tucks in well and will find Cottos head an even more available target.

Really like both fighters but first reaction is I do not want this rematch Margarito/Clottey 2 I wish.

IMO this is the only way for Cotto to regain his legacy to its former glory, if he can't beat the guys like Margarito then he doesn't deserve to be in the very top echelon. The greatest fighters always managed to figure out ways to over come bad matchups for them, especially against a fighter of Margarito's caliber, who isn't a bad fighter, but also isn't an ATG.

Basically IMO Vernon Forrest destroyed the invicibility of Mosley, and I am suspecting Margarito might do the same to Cotto.

I definitely think Cotto could win if things get changed, but it might be expecting too much from him. I think Cotto really needs to work on his movement, he needs to get elite sparring partners who will push him to the limit.

Hatton puts all kinds of pressure on his opponents so Floyd got both Baldomir and Ndou who would switch off, with Baldomir and Ndou only going 5 rounds at a time for a total of 20 rounds Mayweather was basically fighting a fresh world class opponent for 20 rounds. Cotto needs to do this.

I do want to see this fight because Cotto was very much in it before he got knocked out. With two rounds left... However I rather see Margarito-Williams

Originally Posted by Taeth

IMO this is the only way for Cotto to regain his legacy to its former glory, if he can't beat the guys like Margarito then he doesn't deserve to be in the very top echelon. The greatest fighters always managed to figure out ways to over come bad matchups for them, especially against a fighter of Margarito's caliber, who isn't a bad fighter, but also isn't an ATG.

Basically IMO Vernon Forrest destroyed the invicibility of Mosley, and I am suspecting Margarito might do the same to Cotto.

I definitely think Cotto could win if things get changed, but it might be expecting too much from him. I think Cotto really needs to work on his movement, he needs to get elite sparring partners who will push him to the limit.

Hatton puts all kinds of pressure on his opponents so Floyd got both Baldomir and Ndou who would switch off, with Baldomir and Ndou only going 5 rounds at a time for a total of 20 rounds Mayweather was basically fighting a fresh world class opponent for 20 rounds. Cotto needs to do this.

Gotta tell ya,I think Cotto can do very well in future.Margarito is indeed no ATG,he never pretended to be but stylistically and more so physically....he is too much for Cotto.I just don't see all the top sparring in the world translating to victory in rematch.One thing that stands out more and more to me is not the styles,the punch selections,the footwork......but the sheer Physicality of they're first fight.Cotto was effected in so many subtle and equally obvious ways where as Cotto.....try as he might with great pin point boxing could not stand his ground and/or have a noticeable effect on Tony in the least.The disparity in terms of physical taxing toll was huge. I think the 1st result will be duplicated.

I don't, I think if Cotto could win a rematch with Margarito, that opens up Cotto-Mayweather, Cotto-Williams, Cotto-De La HOya, Cotto-Pacquaio. I am not sure if Paul fights higher if he will be able to get back down, I think he is having a hard time right now, and if he puts on that extra muscle he may never get back down, but I can't see Margarito changing how that fight would go. I can't see him drawing Mayweather or De La Hoya into the ring because he isn't popular enough. I can't see myself wanting to watch Margarito for much longer. THere is nothing I find exciting about him. He doesn't have any flash to him, he just walks through everything and throws a million punches, but those punches are especially sharp. Larry Merchant would say something along the lines of there is no poetry in what Margarito does, only the cold brutality of war.

Originally Posted by Spicoli surfs 'Nawlins

Originally Posted by Taeth

IMO this is the only way for Cotto to regain his legacy to its former glory, if he can't beat the guys like Margarito then he doesn't deserve to be in the very top echelon. The greatest fighters always managed to figure out ways to over come bad matchups for them, especially against a fighter of Margarito's caliber, who isn't a bad fighter, but also isn't an ATG.

Basically IMO Vernon Forrest destroyed the invicibility of Mosley, and I am suspecting Margarito might do the same to Cotto.

I definitely think Cotto could win if things get changed, but it might be expecting too much from him. I think Cotto really needs to work on his movement, he needs to get elite sparring partners who will push him to the limit.

Hatton puts all kinds of pressure on his opponents so Floyd got both Baldomir and Ndou who would switch off, with Baldomir and Ndou only going 5 rounds at a time for a total of 20 rounds Mayweather was basically fighting a fresh world class opponent for 20 rounds. Cotto needs to do this.

Gotta tell ya,I think Cotto can do very well in future.Margarito is indeed no ATG,he never pretended to be but stylistically and more so physically....he is too much for Cotto.I just don't see all the top sparring in the world translating to victory in rematch.One thing that stands out more and more to me is not the styles,the punch selections,the footwork......but the sheer Physicality of they're first fight.Cotto was effected in so many subtle and equally obvious ways where as Cotto.....try as he might with great pin point boxing could not stand his ground and/or have a noticeable effect on Tony in the least.The disparity in terms of physical taxing toll was huge. I think the 1st result will be duplicated.

I disagree, I think that Margarito will probably win the second fight as well, but Cotto gave up. I've seen warriors like Holyfield come into the ring and go at it with much bigger opponents, more powerful opponents, but you have to know how to fight them. Margarito IMO never really hurt Cotto with any one punch it was more like what Cotto did to Judah, but even then Margarito wasn't laying COtto out like Cotto layed Judah out. I think Cotto let Margarito's size play a factor.
Here is a small list of things that drastically change the fight
1. Cotto needs to tie Margarito up more. You saw Holyfield do it effectively against Tyson, you saw Hopkins do it plenty of times, you saw Mayweather use it against Hatton. After Cotto dodges a few punches off the ropes he needs come forward off the ropes and tie Margarito up.
2. Cotto staying focused defensively while he on the ropes, as the fight progressed even before he was getting worn down, Cotto was fighting sloppily off the ropes.
3. Cotto needs to not give up space so freely, You can't just give up space for free, its too tiring. There were quite a few times I saw Margarito backing off when Cotto threw combinations, or at least stopped coming forward. Cotto needed to realize he could have expended less energy by actually throwing more punches in the middle of the ring.
4. Cotto can't back straight up, Cotto was backing straight backwards onto the ropes when Margarito's footspeed is so slow Cotto should have been able to get around him laterally.
5. When Cotto would get off the ropes which he did very well for the first half of the fight, did a lot of you notice he wasn't always going back into the middle of the ring? When you get off the ropes its important to make the opponent force you back onto the ropes again.


I personally don't think footwork is that big of an issue I think the biggest things were that Cotto didn't tie Margarito up enough that is key against Tony, and he gave up space too freely which he did against Mosley as well late in that fight.

I honestly think Cotto got to cocky in there, He was outboxing Margarito so emphatically that he underestimated Tony. I don't think he thought Tony could walk through those punches like he did, and I don't think Cotto had a plan B besides countering effectively.

Tony= machine.

Cotto= not.

The difference.

Wow,thats alot,well thought out there but the bottom line is should Cotto stand in /Tie up and put himself at range even more so......The damage will accumulate faster Imo.He could not,did not deter Margarito in the least although his head shots were great. Margarito.....while not an accurate explosive one punch bomber.....was having a very noticeable effect on Cotto as early as the second round,he cut the ring off and was busting the body hard.This one comes down to imposing physicality all over again for me.Sometimes the reason fighter A will/did not do something is because fighter B did not allow it!And vice versa.

Cotto did not "Give up" on his own volition,he fought his set off.....Margarito had quite abit to do with that decision making process.