Thread: Joel gets stopped - major surprise

Firstly, I thought the stoppage may have been a touch premature does anyone else agree. I know he had taken a lot of shots but I thought he should have been given a count and maybe the chance to get back to his corner (it was close to the end of the round).

In saying that, Casamayor was seriously hurt. We are talking about a guy who's taken the best shots of Freitas, Corrales and Castillo and he gets stopped by Marquez moving up. That came as a major surprise to me.

What a performance.

Pacquaio can't call himself p4p number one until he fights this guy again. You would have to think Marquez victory over Cassa is far more impressive than Pac's against Diaz. Diaz couldn't hold a candle to Casa IMO...

Marquez is an incredible fighter, simple as. Not sure a prime Casamayor could've beaten the man tonight. And Pac being no.1 p4p is now pretty well baseless until he fights MArquez again, agreed there.

Not really suprised i predicted a 9TKO was off 2 rounds. Way to shut Casa's mouth my boy

Waaaaait a minute here. Are we being serious? Because Marquez looked good that makes Pac look bad? Let's be honest, technically, Pacquiao beat Marquez twice. If not for a judge's scoring error in the first match it wouldn't have been ruled a draw. And in the rematch Pac beat him. I'm not saying they shouldn't get it on again, they should, but Marquez's victory tonight should only enhance Pacquiao's resume, not downgrade it. If everybody on Pac's list had been a bum we'd laugh at the thought of putting him up as #1 P4P. So the reverse works. He's fought tough guys who have gone on to beat tough guys. So that moves him up, not down.

I just hope Pac doesn't derail his future by fighting Oscar.

Originally Posted by Greig

Firstly, I thought the stoppage may have been a touch premature does anyone else agree. I know he had taken a lot of shots but I thought he should have been given a count and maybe the chance to get back to his corner (it was close to the end of the round).

In saying that, Casamayor was seriously hurt. We are talking about a guy who's taken the best shots of Freitas, Corrales and Castillo and he gets stopped by Marquez moving up. That came as a major surprise to me.

What a performance.

Pacquaio can't call himself p4p number one until he fights this guy again. You would have to think Marquez victory over Cassa is far more impressive than Pac's against Diaz. Diaz couldn't hold a candle to Casa IMO...

"Diaz couldn't hold a candle to Casa" - this is highly debatable since David Diaz stopped Armando Santa Cruz who in turn was robbed against Casa...

Marquez win only solidified PAC's status as the no. 1 lightweight in the world and at the same time the no. 1 P4P best boxer in the world...

IMO, lightweight rankings should look like this right now:
1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Nate Campbell
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Juan Diaz
5. Edwin Valero
6. Breidis Prescott
7. Michael Katsidis
8. Julio Diaz
9. David Diaz
10. Jesus Chavez

once casamayor started pointing at his chin and motioning that the punch didn't hurt, i knew he was done. i don't know why fighters do that. When they shake their heads or point at their chins and motion that a punch didn't hurt, you know they were hurt bad. So stupid.

Originally Posted by Killface

Waaaaait a minute here. Are we being serious? Because Marquez looked good that makes Pac look bad? Let's be honest, technically, Pacquiao beat Marquez twice. If not for a judge's scoring error in the first match it wouldn't have been ruled a draw. And in the rematch Pac beat him. I'm not saying they shouldn't get it on again, they should, but Marquez's victory tonight should only enhance Pacquiao's resume, not downgrade it. If everybody on Pac's list had been a bum we'd laugh at the thought of putting him up as #1 P4P. So the reverse works. He's fought tough guys who have gone on to beat tough guys. So that moves him up, not down.

I just hope Pac doesn't derail his future by fighting Oscar.

I think Juan Manuel Marquez beat Manny Pacquiao twice and so do alot of people infact majorty of the boxing websites and journalists at ringside thought Marquez won.

Associated Press:114-113 Marquez
- Joe Santoliquito:115-112 Marquez
- Dan Rafael, ESPN.com: 114-113 Marquez
- Darius Ortiz, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Eric Raskin, ESPN.com:114-113 Marquez
- Brian Kenny, Friday Night Fights:115-112 Marquez
- Scott Mallon, Ring Magazine / Boxing News / The Fist / Boxing Digest:114-113 Marquez
- Yahoo Sports:115-112 Marquez
- Fight News.com:115-112 Marquez
- Steve Carp, Las Vegas Review Journal: 114-113 Marquez
- Norm Fraunheim, Arizona Republic:114-113 Marquez
- Rich Marrotta, Top Rank TV:114-113 Marquez
- Kieran Mulvaney, Reuters:114-113 Marquez
- DogHouseBoxing:114-113 Marquez
- Brett Conway, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Rick Reeno, BoxingScene.com:114-113 Marquez
- Gary Randall, MaxBoxing.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bart Barry, 15Rounds.com:115-113 Marquez
- Bruce McTavish, International Judge:115-112 Marquez
- Francis Ochoa, Philippine Daily Inquirer:114-113 Marquez
- Scott Christ, BadLeftHook.com:114-113 Marquez
- William Detloff, The Ring Magazine:115-113 Marquez
- Ron Borges, TheSweetScience.com:114-113 Marquez
- Bert Sugar:Marquez
- Max Kellerman & Bob Papa:Marquez in both fights
- Nonito Donaire:114-113 Marquez
- Filipino Sports Analysts Ronnie Nathanielsz, Recah Trinidad and Ed Picson all picked Marquez.

Originally Posted by p4pking

Marquez is an incredible fighter, simple as. Not sure a prime Casamayor could've beaten the man tonight. And Pac being no.1 p4p is now pretty well baseless until he fights MArquez again, agreed there.

With PBF retired, it's already widely accepted that PAC is no. 1 P4P best boxer in the world and it's not determined without any basis...

Even with Marquez win over Casa, IMO he's still at no. 3 behind PAC and Calzaghe in the P4P rankings...
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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

Originally Posted by Greig

Firstly, I thought the stoppage may have been a touch premature does anyone else agree. I know he had taken a lot of shots but I thought he should have been given a count and maybe the chance to get back to his corner (it was close to the end of the round).

In saying that, Casamayor was seriously hurt. We are talking about a guy who's taken the best shots of Freitas, Corrales and Castillo and he gets stopped by Marquez moving up. That came as a major surprise to me.

What a performance.

Pacquaio can't call himself p4p number one until he fights this guy again. You would have to think Marquez victory over Cassa is far more impressive than Pac's against Diaz. Diaz couldn't hold a candle to Casa IMO...

"Diaz couldn't hold a candle to Casa" - this is highly debatable since David Diaz stopped Armando Santa Cruz who in turn was robbed against Casa...

Marquez win only solidified PAC's status as the no. 1 lightweight in the world and at the same time the no. 1 P4P best boxer in the world...

IMO, lightweight rankings should look like this right now:
1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Nate Campbell
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Juan Diaz
5. Edwin Valero
6. Breidis Prescott
7. Michael Katsidis
8. Julio Diaz
9. David Diaz
10. Jesus Chavez

How is Pacquaio number 1? he moved up and fought David Diaz! Marques moved up and fought Joel Casamayor and stopped him.

I think it would be unfair to comment on 135 supremacy when Nate Campbell, the unified champion, is yet to fight.

Also, im very surprised that Casa lost.
Id only really came to like Casamoyor after the manor in which he beat Katsidis. I admired the ability to do the necessary and conjure a win out of nothing.
I figured that Marquez, a fighter coming up in weight, was a fighter that Casamayor could do the necessary against.

Props to Marquez though. He looked okay at the weight. Im glad for him.
He's well on his way to becoming Mexico's 1st 3-weight world champion.

After pac vs DLH. It should be Pac vs Marquez.

let's not debate about Pac winning over marquez..... What we should be asking is a Trilogy between the two fighters.

Now that would be very very exciting!!!!

Originally Posted by Killface

Waaaaait a minute here. Are we being serious? Because Marquez looked good that makes Pac look bad? Let's be honest, technically, Pacquiao beat Marquez twice. If not for a judge's scoring error in the first match it wouldn't have been ruled a draw. And in the rematch Pac beat him. I'm not saying they shouldn't get it on again, they should, but Marquez's victory tonight should only enhance Pacquiao's resume, not downgrade it. If everybody on Pac's list had been a bum we'd laugh at the thought of putting him up as #1 P4P. So the reverse works. He's fought tough guys who have gone on to beat tough guys. So that moves him up, not down.

I just hope Pac doesn't derail his future by fighting Oscar.

Didn't say it made Pac look bad mate - I just mean that Pac is at the top of a lot of people's p4p lists and while Marquez is out there, he probably shouldn't be. The first fight was a draw. After the first round which was a disaster and the second where he found his feet, Marquez dominated the rest of the fight. The second fight was highly controversial decision.

So, why isn't Marquez regarded on an equal footing with Pac when it comes to p4p? I think knocking out Casamayor in your lightweight debut is a helluva lot more impressive than knocking out David Diaz...

Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

Originally Posted by Greig

Firstly, I thought the stoppage may have been a touch premature does anyone else agree. I know he had taken a lot of shots but I thought he should have been given a count and maybe the chance to get back to his corner (it was close to the end of the round).

In saying that, Casamayor was seriously hurt. We are talking about a guy who's taken the best shots of Freitas, Corrales and Castillo and he gets stopped by Marquez moving up. That came as a major surprise to me.

What a performance.

Pacquaio can't call himself p4p number one until he fights this guy again. You would have to think Marquez victory over Cassa is far more impressive than Pac's against Diaz. Diaz couldn't hold a candle to Casa IMO...

"Diaz couldn't hold a candle to Casa" - this is highly debatable since David Diaz stopped Armando Santa Cruz who in turn was robbed against Casa...

Marquez win only solidified PAC's status as the no. 1 lightweight in the world and at the same time the no. 1 P4P best boxer in the world...

IMO, lightweight rankings should look like this right now:
1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Nate Campbell
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Juan Diaz
5. Edwin Valero
6. Breidis Prescott
7. Michael Katsidis
8. Julio Diaz
9. David Diaz
10. Jesus Chavez

How is Pacquaio number 1? he moved up and fought David Diaz! Marques moved up and fought Joel Casamayor and stopped him.

PAC stopped former champ Diaz inside 9 rounds in total domination... JMM stopped Casa in the 11th with 2 judges having the fight even after 10 rounds...

The no. 1 lightweight spot could be a toss up between Pacquiao and Campbell right now... I considered PAC as the no. 1 lightweight due to his status in other rankings;

- current no. 1 P4P
- considered the no. 1 super featherweight before he jumped to lightweight

Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

Originally Posted by Markusdarkus

Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

"Diaz couldn't hold a candle to Casa" - this is highly debatable since David Diaz stopped Armando Santa Cruz who in turn was robbed against Casa...

Marquez win only solidified PAC's status as the no. 1 lightweight in the world and at the same time the no. 1 P4P best boxer in the world...

IMO, lightweight rankings should look like this right now:
1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Nate Campbell
3. Juan Manuel Marquez
4. Juan Diaz
5. Edwin Valero
6. Breidis Prescott
7. Michael Katsidis
8. Julio Diaz
9. David Diaz
10. Jesus Chavez

How is Pacquaio number 1? he moved up and fought David Diaz! Marques moved up and fought Joel Casamayor and stopped him.

PAC stopped former champ Diaz inside 9 rounds in total domination... JMM stopped Casa in the 11th with 2 judges having the fight even after 10 rounds...

The no. 1 lightweight spot could be a toss up between Pacquiao and Campbell right now... I considered PAC as the no. 1 lightweight due to his status in other rankings;

- current no. 1 P4P
- considered the no. 1 super featherweight before he jumped to lightweight

Think you should rate Pac at lightweight based on what he has done at lightweight. He's KO'd Diaz. Marquez has KO'd Casa. I'd have my lightweight ratings as...

1)Campbell
2)Marquez
3)Pac

In saying that I'd back Marquez and Pac to beat Campbell but as the unified champ, I think at this stage Campbell deserves to be no. 1.

well at least he go beat by a true fighter