Thread: Does Anyone Else Think Kelly Pavlik Looked Stale ?

90% of the reason that Pavlik looked stale is that Hopkins made him look stale. The other 10% is that Pavlik came in heavier than he should have, and I think he took Hopkins a little lightly.

Pavlik couldn't of dealed with Bernard at any weight.

Pavlik's style was just simply tailor made for B-hops.

Originally Posted by The Fightfan

Stale no. In awe no. Pure and simple Kelly Pavlik is not a light heavyweight. What happens to a man who is a puncher who moves up in weight to fight the naturally bigger man. Bob Foster moved up in weight and couldn't do a damn thing in the heavyweight's.The great Sugar Ray Robinson fought a mediocre Joey Maxim and lost he got tired from hitting the bigger man too much and had to quit. Kelly is a dominate middleweight and I totally disagree with what E-man and Lampley said about Abraham doing the same to Kelly. His next big fight should be against him and live on at middleweight until he's about 30 then move to the supermiddle's and lightheavies. Kelly got beat by a man who transformed before eyes in my opinion.Several month's back Bernard looked old and slow against Joe Calzaghe.This time he looked like the best he every has.

What does Sugar Ray Robinson punching himself out in extreme heat against Joey Maxim have to do with with Pavlik not being able to touch Hopkins? Kelly Pavlik definetly is a better middleweight than he is a super or higher at this point I would say... But why on earth is everyone suddenly suggesting he can't punch at 170? How can you put his failure down to his lack of power at the weight when he could hardly lay a glove on Hopkins the entire fight? I think he looked a bit flatter at the weight, but with his style it doesn't matter how hard he freaking hits, he wasn't going to beat Hopkins! For all we know he's very capable of KOing good super middles if he lands flush shots. Maybe he could have knocked Hopkins out with a short right hand. It doesn't matter when he couldn't land anything. He is going to have a whole lot of trouble doing so against slick fighters who can move unless he makes some real changes, if Hopkins were still comfortable making 160 we would have seen the same fight.

Pavlik looked like crap......it happens, he'll be fine. I don't think those middleweight belts are going anywhere anytime soon.

Originally Posted by The Fightfan

Stale no. In awe no. Pure and simple Kelly Pavlik is not a light heavyweight. What happens to a man who is a puncher who moves up in weight to fight the naturally bigger man. Bob Foster moved up in weight and couldn't do a damn thing in the heavyweight's.The great Sugar Ray Robinson fought a mediocre Joey Maxim and lost he got tired from hitting the bigger man too much and had to quit. Kelly is a dominate middleweight and I totally disagree with what E-man and Lampley said about Abraham doing the same to Kelly. His next big fight should be against him and live on at middleweight until he's about 30 then move to the supermiddle's and lightheavies. Kelly got beat by a man who transformed before eyes in my opinion.Several month's back Bernard looked old and slow against Joe Calzaghe.This time he looked like the best he every has.

Excuses excuses.......

Pavlik works off his jab and Bernard never let him work off it because he took it away with great movement. The extra weight might not have helped but if the fight was at 160 he would still have been outsmarted, outboxed and lost in the same way.

If Hopkins decided to trade I think the outcome could have been different, he chose to box a smart fight and for ONCE I really enjoyed watching him do it, I've not enjoyed watching him fight for years. He dictated the pace but was far from boring this time round.

Great performance from Hopkins, I think Calzaghe could beat Pavlic too but not in such a one sided way. It really was a masterclass and I was really surprised with the workrate and movement.

Pavlic will be back at his ideal weight and still make plenty of noise hopefully.

hopkins had way to much speed of movement for pavlik to win. Pavlik was either not punching or swinging at air all night.

If he looked stale that's because Hopkins made him look stale. The weight might have affected him but all in all he has bad footwork and Hopkins took advantage of this by turning him at every opportunity and making him reach on his right hand. If he stays at 160 he'll have a long title reign with plenty of knockout wins. I feel bad for him but even worse for Marco Antonio Rubio who'll likely be his next opponent. I'd hate to be the first guy to face Pavlik after a defeat.