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    Default Re: A show of hands - who knew Lacy was an overrated overhyped rookie before the JC f

    Quote Originally Posted by JT Rock View Post
    I joined right after the fight, I am the biggest lacy fan on this site STILL!! and I thought Jeff would bounce him around the ring like a basketball.. You have to remember before the fight, Joe was sheltered and was rematching guys like Veit, he was oft injured and if memory serves me correct he delayed the Lacy fight once already.. So even if Lacy was half of the hype he still had a great chance against a brittled hand padded champion that was supposedly afraid to fly and was content with fighting mediocre opponents...

    I will say it took me to the Kessler fight to be a fan of Joe's, but even after the Lacy fight everyone thought he would step it up because he didnt have to many great fights left, then he fights Bika and Manfredo.. Most of his loyal fans were groaning over this..

    Everyone who thinks Joe is gonna steamroll over Jones better reconsider.. Roy is the stronger quick handed fighter.. Joe can flurry with pitter patter Jones is a crisp accurate puncher to the likes Joe has never seen before, Roy has also been great about fighting off the ropes of late and firing in good body shots and uppercuts.. Joe dosent have a stellar defense and if Hop can put him on his ass with a right you best believe Jones can do the same.. Joe eats a steady diet of straight rights and Jones will be the chef. Gonna be a close one. We have seen Roy turn human already a few years back and be effective, I hope at 37 Joe dosent slip seeing fighters have been known to get tired in a round











    Agree 100% and i got a funny feeling that Jones could well stop Calzaghe...
    Jones is Dangerous for a good few rounds and no way is this an easy fight at all.
    Jones has more power and Joe can't hurt him at all,both have pretty equal skill too so this is a great matchup for me and it doesn't matter that they are meeting late in their careers as it's the same for both fighter.
    This couls all hinge on Roy's fitness

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    Quote Originally Posted by CGM View Post
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    I can remember about 5 people on this site that thought Calzaghe would win that fight
    Seeing as how the majority thought Lacy would win, and going by the way he was soundly thrashed, I guess that means Lacy was overrated. Although only the people who picked Calzaghe knew that.
    Why does him being soundly thrashed automatically mean he was overrated, can't it just mean the other guy fought an amazing fight?

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    So theres 4 more left
    I flew to manchester from London because i had a sneaky feeling Joe would do him.
    Make no mistake about it...95% of this site though he'd get put on his ass by the "new mini Tyson" most of the press thought this too.
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    Had a pretty good nite awell didn't ya as I remember

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    Default Re: A show of hands - who knew Lacy was an overrated overhyped rookie before the JC f

    I was just getting into boxing then, I don't think I was even a member of this forum yet, so I had no idea who either guy was until well after the fight.

    What's the point of this post? I'm not sure...

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    Do they still have the posts on this forum that date back that far?? My take on that fight is totally irrelevant as I was still getting more into boxing at the time and had never even seen Calzaghe fight, and not much of Lacy. However, what I had seen were his full fights against Sheika and Donnel Wiggins. Anyone who had seen those fights should have been able to expect that Calzaghe(or any good fighter) had at least a decent chance of winning. The simple fact is Lacy wasn't as good as he was being heralded as. Even the biggest Calzaghe fan should be able to see that in hindsight he was flawed and lacked skills. It's not so easy to go against the grain when a guy has a lot of hype around him though, so credit for anyone who actually did fully predict a dominating Calzaghe victory, though I doubt that includes anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by p4pking View Post
    Do they still have the posts on this forum that date back that far?? My take on that fight is totally irrelevant as I was still getting more into boxing at the time and had never even seen Calzaghe fight, and not much of Lacy. However, what I had seen were his full fights against Sheika and Donnel Wiggins. Anyone who had seen those fights should have been able to expect that Calzaghe(or any good fighter) had at least a decent chance of winning. The simple fact is Lacy wasn't as good as he was being heralded as. Even the biggest Calzaghe fan should be able to see that in hindsight he was flawed and lacked skills. It's not so easy to go against the grain when a guy has a lot of hype around him though, so credit for anyone who actually did fully predict a dominating Calzaghe victory, though I doubt that includes anyone.
    The threads were all lost but Trust me very few people on here on anywhere were tipping Calzaghe, but nearly everybody 'knew' after the fight that Lacy was overrated

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    Default Re: A show of hands - who knew Lacy was an overrated overhyped rookie before the JC f

    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H View Post
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    I can remember about 5 people on this site that thought Calzaghe would win that fight
    Seeing as how the majority thought Lacy would win, and going by the way he was soundly thrashed, I guess that means Lacy was overrated. Although only the people who picked Calzaghe knew that.
    Why does him being soundly thrashed automatically mean he was overrated, can't it just mean the other guy fought an amazing fight?
    Valid question I suppose. There are no hard and fast answers, it's all pretty subjective IMO. Still, if Lacy was as good as people thought he was, ( The next Tyson, etc.) he would've put up a bit more of a fight. Lacy was less of a known quantity, Calzaghe had been around long enough that there shouldn't be too many surprises from him.

    Probably it's a little of both. Lacy overrated and Calzaghe exceeds expectations.

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    Default Re: A show of hands - who knew Lacy was an overrated overhyped rookie before the JC f

    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by p4pking View Post
    Do they still have the posts on this forum that date back that far?? My take on that fight is totally irrelevant as I was still getting more into boxing at the time and had never even seen Calzaghe fight, and not much of Lacy. However, what I had seen were his full fights against Sheika and Donnel Wiggins. Anyone who had seen those fights should have been able to expect that Calzaghe(or any good fighter) had at least a decent chance of winning. The simple fact is Lacy wasn't as good as he was being heralded as. Even the biggest Calzaghe fan should be able to see that in hindsight he was flawed and lacked skills. It's not so easy to go against the grain when a guy has a lot of hype around him though, so credit for anyone who actually did fully predict a dominating Calzaghe victory, though I doubt that includes anyone.
    The threads were all lost but Trust me very few people on here on anywhere were tipping Calzaghe, but nearly everybody 'knew' after the fight that Lacy was overrated
    To be fair, sometimes it works that way with exciting young fighters. It's very easy to take fights so selective that there flaws aren't really on display until they have to take the real step up to world class and face a different animal. Just because people didn't know that Lacy was an overhyped rookie who was overrated before Calzaghe dummied him doesn't neccesarily mean they are wrong to believe so afterwards Go back and watch him fight Omar Sheika, or Donell Wiggins(who has been KTFO early by any other live body he's fought).

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    Quote Originally Posted by BIG H View Post
    I can remember about 5 people on this site that thought Calzaghe would win that fight
    I thought he was the real deal. I was wrong
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    Quote Originally Posted by smashup View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by JT Rock View Post
    I joined right after the fight, I am the biggest lacy fan on this site STILL!! and I thought Jeff would bounce him around the ring like a basketball.. You have to remember before the fight, Joe was sheltered and was rematching guys like Veit, he was oft injured and if memory serves me correct he delayed the Lacy fight once already.. So even if Lacy was half of the hype he still had a great chance against a brittled hand padded champion that was supposedly afraid to fly and was content with fighting mediocre opponents...

    I will say it took me to the Kessler fight to be a fan of Joe's, but even after the Lacy fight everyone thought he would step it up because he didnt have to many great fights left, then he fights Bika and Manfredo.. Most of his loyal fans were groaning over this..

    Everyone who thinks Joe is gonna steamroll over Jones better reconsider.. Roy is the stronger quick handed fighter.. Joe can flurry with pitter patter Jones is a crisp accurate puncher to the likes Joe has never seen before, Roy has also been great about fighting off the ropes of late and firing in good body shots and uppercuts.. Joe dosent have a stellar defense and if Hop can put him on his ass with a right you best believe Jones can do the same.. Joe eats a steady diet of straight rights and Jones will be the chef. Gonna be a close one. We have seen Roy turn human already a few years back and be effective, I hope at 37 Joe dosent slip seeing fighters have been known to get tired in a round











    Agree 100% and i got a funny feeling that Jones could well stop Calzaghe...
    Jones is Dangerous for a good few rounds and no way is this an easy fight at all.
    Jones has more power and Joe can't hurt him at all,both have pretty equal skill too so this is a great matchup for me and it doesn't matter that they are meeting late in their careers as it's the same for both fighter.
    This couls all hinge on Roy's fitness

    I do agree with the both of you. I do think that although Joe is at the end of his career he is still at the tail end of his prime where I feel Roy is past it. Although Jones still has tools the bag is much smaller then it used to be. I have, time and time again, doubted Joe and was handily fed my words.

    I believe it will be a Joe win due to sheer activity. This is why I also agree about Roy's fitness. I don't think he's capable of hanging with the much more active Calzaghe. Jones's punches will do more damage but Joe has a hell of a chin as well...

    Will Roy get steam rolled? No. Weill he lose? I believe so

    Calzaghe by Majority...

    Joe, don't make me look like a toolbox, now... I've always gone against you before
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    He may have struggled a bit against Sheika but he was given a pass for that, Vanderpool was a great victory and a victory not many gave to him. The hype started really after the Robin Reid fight where he just looked ridiculous, and then followed up against Pemberton.

    I thought he would win, my favorite fighter and actually in a roundabout way the reason I joined the site. I thought Calzaghe could outbox him, he had the talent to do it but was too knuckleheaded and would eventually square up and trade inside with Lacy's power and that's how Lacy would win over. I still think to this day I was reasoned in why I thought Lacy would win, because in the first round of he fight Calzaghe stepped up and went toe to toe with him. It was a bad matchup stylistically for Joe because he could have got into some trouble but I guess Lacy just wasn't the guy to do it.

    So not me, but I don't think I was disillusioned with who Jeff Lacy really was either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenster View Post
    ICB did.

    I remember people were badly ridiculed for thinking Calzaghe could win.

    I remember this because, even though i believed Calzaghe could win, the show of support for Lacy was so great that it made me think the likely outcome will be a Lacy victory
    Your damn right i knew it was obvious in his fights against Omar Sheika, Syd Vanderpool, he wasn't nowhere near as good as the hype. He only got overrated because of his win over a shot undertrained Robin Reid, and Robin Reid gave Joe Calzaghe his toughest fight, which made armchair fans think Jeff Lacy would destroy Joe Calzahghe because he destroyed Robin Reid.

    Also his Amateur record got him overrated aswell, but funnily enough he didn't do so well in the Olympics. He was stopped in the 3rd round at the Olympics, another reason he got overrated was because of his power. Power punchers do tend to get very overrated.
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    Default Re: A show of hands - who knew Lacy was an overrated overhyped rookie before the JC f

    I bought in to a point, I actually picked Robin Reid to beat him but by the time the Calzaghe fight had come around I decided to go with Lacy. Remember watching the Mitchell fight and thinking Joe was just too wild.

    I remember a Lacy-Hopkins thread where you would have thought it would have just been better to shoot Hopkins rather than let him in the ring with Lacy.

    All this being said, about half of the people on here picked Gatti. Over Floyd.

    Anyway I'm looking forward to the point when this becomes more than a two fighter board again.

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    Default Re: A show of hands - who knew Lacy was an overrated overhyped rookie before the JC f

    Quote Originally Posted by ICB View Post
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    ICB did.

    I remember people were badly ridiculed for thinking Calzaghe could win.

    I remember this because, even though i believed Calzaghe could win, the show of support for Lacy was so great that it made me think the likely outcome will be a Lacy victory
    Your damn right i knew it was obvious in his fights against Omar Sheika, Syd Vanderpool, he wasn't nowhere near as good as the hype. He only got overrated because of his win over a shot undertrained Robin Reid, and Robin Reid gave Joe Calzaghe his toughest fight, which made armchair fans think Jeff Lacy would destroy Joe Calzahghe because he destroyed Robin Reid.

    Also his Amateur record got him overrated aswell, but funnily enough he didn't do so well in the Olympics. He was stopped in the 3rd round at the Olympics, another reason he got overrated was because of his power. Power punchers do tend to get very overrated.
    Were all armchair fans. Even people that box get picks wrong. All the time. Teddy Atlas, hmm.

    Go look at the prediction contest last week, we either got a lot of armchair fans or a lot of Pavlik lovers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OumaFan View Post
    I bought in to a point, I actually picked Robin Reid to beat him but by the time the Calzaghe fight had come around I decided to go with Lacy. Remember watching the Mitchell fight and thinking Joe was just too wild.

    I remember a Lacy-Hopkins thread where you would have thought it would have just been better to shoot Hopkins rather than let him in the ring with Lacy.

    All this being said, about half of the people on here picked Gatti. Over Floyd.

    Anyway I'm looking forward to the point when this becomes more than a two fighter board again.
    Hah no kidding huh. I remember that Hopkins Lacy thread as well, funny to think about now. Hopkins would've beat him like a red headed step child at any point.

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