Thread: What will it take to beat joe calzaghe?

Pretty simple really. What does jones need to do in order to beat calzaghe...what gameplan can he employ?

By far the most effective fighter against calzaghe was hopkins in their recent fight.

Should roy adopt a more negative and dirty style like hopkins in order to try to beat joe?

As of yet, we dont know what it would take to beat calzaghe, just as we dont know what it would take to beat mayweather either, both fighters are undefeated...but the only person who looked like he caused joe all sorts of problems at first was hopkins...

So should roy jones try to adopt a very negative/dirty approach to the fight to stop calzaghe from finding his range and getting his flow going?

The best way to weather calzaghe's storm is to stop him from throwing his large combos and flurries of punches, hopkins did this very well by using clinch tactics and then didnt trade with calzaghe on the inside either, he simply used the counter, although ultimately calzaghe found a way around it and started to boss the fight.

So what tactics can jones employ in order to beat calzaghe?

I would say that for the first 4 rounds jones should be very negative, if he can do what hopkins did, this would ruin calzaghes mindset as well, it would be very demoralising for him.

Then from rounds 4-8, after confusing calzaghe and ruining his flow and confidence he could start trading with him (something hopkins did not do)...this would then give roy the edge because he would be fighting a confused and demoralised calzaghe rather than a fresh one.

Any other suggestions?

I don't know how many times I've said this in a thread but I'll get at it one more time.

I think Jones is going to have the same strategy he had against Tito at the beginning of the fight. He's going to let Joe hit him a bit by sitting on the ropes to see if he can take his punch. Alike with Tito, I think Jones will realize that Calzaghe can't hurt him with his punches and will gain swagger and confidence. From then on he will be pot shotting Joe with the straight right everytime he tries to come in with his Calzaghe flurries.

But according the 24/7 Joe said he can't "slap" Jones and he will be putting some power into his punches. But either way, the straight right will be the key for a Jones' victory.

damn another calzaghe thread. the fukin fight is about a week away and after the fight thers gonna be about 20 more threads after the fight. i really hope jones wins just so i can rub it in peoples face.

Originally Posted by caleoh12

I don't know how many times I've said this in a thread but I'll get at it one more time.

I think Jones is going to have the same strategy he had against Tito at the beginning of the fight. He's going to let Joe hit him a bit by sitting on the ropes to see if he can take his punch. Alike with Tito, I think Jones will realize that Calzaghe can't hurt him with his punches and will gain swagger and confidence. From then on he will be pot shotting Joe with the straight right everytime he tries to come in with his Calzaghe flurries.

But according the 24/7 Joe said he can't "slap" Jones and he will be putting some power into his punches. But either way, the straight right will be the key for a Jones' victory.

yea pretty much the same for me. i dont think joe can hurt roy one bit. those str8 rights should floor joe a few times

Originally Posted by caleoh12

I don't know how many times I've said this in a thread but I'll get at it one more time.

I think Jones is going to have the same strategy he had against Tito at the beginning of the fight. He's going to let Joe hit him a bit by sitting on the ropes to see if he can take his punch. Alike with Tito, I think Jones will realize that Calzaghe can't hurt him with his punches and will gain swagger and confidence. From then on he will be pot shotting Joe with the straight right everytime he tries to come in with his Calzaghe flurries.

But according the 24/7 Joe said he can't "slap" Jones and he will be putting some power into his punches. But either way, the straight right will be the key for a Jones' victory.

Good post, you could be correct.

Calzaghe did look vulnerable to the straight right counter against hopkins in his last fight.

Although i assume that hes learnt from his mistakes against hopkins and wont make the same against roy jones...afterall...if jones can wobble calzaghe with a crisp right hand then he might smell blood and come in for some big hits.

Joe is fortunate to have a v good chin i guess. He might take a few straight right's from roy and then adapt his plan...but having said that, if jones can then change his strategy when calzaghe adapts and then perhaps sit back a bit less it would probably go jones' way.

Rounds 1-4, jones sits back and tries to stop calzaghe find his flow and range, tries the right counter punch and moves well, putting calzaghe off.

Rounds 4-8, calzaghe adapts to jones style and starts to emply new tactics like he did against hopkins, however roy then comes into the centre of the ring to fight on the inside more and try to tie calzaghe up in clinches as well so that he can not find his flow.

Rounds 8-12, jones goes back to counter punch and off the ropes, pot shotting joe.

If roy does this, he could end up stopping joe OR could end up winning by around 9 rounds to 3, a wide margin.

To totally emphasise that he is the greatest supermiddle weight ever.

The only problem and risk with this is the in-fighting in my opinion...there is always a chance (particularly if what you say is true and calzaghe is gonna let his hands loose) that calzaghe will catch joe with a clean hit rather than a flurry if they start to trade and this could put jones on the floor...i think that if jones hits canvas then itll be all over for him...calzaghe will rush in for the ko as soon as he sees jones chin bust.

Will the decissive factor in the fight be who has the stronger chin?

I have to say, i'll be dissapointed if calzaghe doesnt at least try to let his hands loose and go for some proper shots, itll be a big dissapointment as his last fight if we cant see him actually try and bang.

Originally Posted by kingfrnk

damn another calzaghe thread. the fukin fight is about a week away and after the fight thers gonna be about 20 more threads after the fight. i really hope jones wins just so i can rub it in peoples face.

Me too...i hope jones wins so that i can say for sure that jones is the best supermiddle weight ever and we can state that pretty much as fact!

I am fed up with the debates, if jones wins then it will end the debate, any true boxing fan can see that jones was the best and definately better than calzaghe, therefore no more head aches or debates.

If calzaghe wins then it will just lead to more and more threads, a few more people will give joe his props but the haters will still not rate joe, and they will continue to debate.

I want jones to win!

One thing I'm afraid of is if Roy gets gun shy or doesn't stay active and throws a punch here and there, Calzaghe takes this fight easily. His flurries and activity are something judges love to score rounds for.

If Joe does put power on his shots, this may be that much more of an interesting fight. That pitter patter stuff won't hurt Roy.

All in All, this fight isn't about what who is fighting one another but more along the lines of which type of Calzaghe is he going to fight like (pitter patter or throwing more solid shots) and which type of Jones is he going to fight like (safe and defensive or more of an aggressive Roy).

I hope they both come out aggressive

If they both come out aggressive and looking to put the fight to bed, then it will be fireworks in the ring.

Might not last v long lol, but still be an absolute cracker.

The only people to have come close to beating Joe are Robin Reid and Bernard Hopkins, both slowed him down with messy work, both are known as dirty fighters and both still got out worked.

The person to beat Joe would be very quick on their feet and dont get hit at all, anyone who trys to stand in front and avoid punches with body movement like Floyd would still get outworked, Joe would love a static target in front of him, which brings us to Jones.

Roy isnt gonna be able to move alot as his legs are gone, hes never had great upper body movement and he is gun shy, Joe will put him in a shell and Jones will look pitifull.

Like others have said the only way I see Jones having success is with the straight lead right but the only time that has worked for Roy has been against mediocre fighters.

Originally Posted by ross

The only people to have come close to beating Joe are Robin Reid and Bernard Hopkins, both slowed him down with messy work, both are known as dirty fighters and both still got out worked.

The person to beat Joe would be very quick on their feet and dont get hit at all, anyone who trys to stand in front and avoid punches with body movement like Floyd would still get outworked, Joe would love a static target in front of him, which brings us to Jones.

Roy isnt gonna be able to move alot as his legs are gone, hes never had great upper body movement and he is gun shy, Joe will put him in a shell and Jones will look pitifull.

Like others have said the only way I see Jones having success is with the straight lead right but the only time that has worked for Roy has been against mediocre fighters.

But what will roy do to beat calzaghe?

Its gotta be more than just the 'straight right'?

Lets be fair, although most people on this board hate calzaghe, surely hes not that thick to realise that roy's best weapon against him is his right cross on the counter?

If calzaghe falls for that one then he deserves to be put on the floor, he really shouldve learnt after the hopkins fight!

I wouldn't be so certain Calzaghe can't hurt Roy.

Obviously Calzaghe doesn't consistently punch hard anymore, because of his dodgy hands, but he is far from being a powderpuff hitter. In amongst the flurries he lands plenty of solid shots.

Roy hasn't really been hit since the third Tarver fight - when a tap on the chin turned him into a drunk.

Originally Posted by caleoh12

I don't know how many times I've said this in a thread but I'll get at it one more time.

I think Jones is going to have the same strategy he had against Tito at the beginning of the fight. He's going to let Joe hit him a bit by sitting on the ropes to see if he can take his punch. Alike with Tito, I think Jones will realize that Calzaghe can't hurt him with his punches and will gain swagger and confidence. From then on he will be pot shotting Joe with the straight right everytime he tries to come in with his Calzaghe flurries.

But according the 24/7 Joe said he can't "slap" Jones and he will be putting some power into his punches. But either way, the straight right will be the key for a Jones' victory.

Agreed. Roys straight right has always thrown people as he has never really done the orthodox thing of putting a range finding jab in front of it and providing he can take Calzaghes shot (which I think he will) he will give him nightmares with that right.

I also see the half left hook half uppercut that whacked Griffin out make a re-appearance after a few rounds when his confidence starts to get high.

The straight rights and uppercuts Kessler had success with uppercuts also some good fighting inside off the ropes like the combo he hit Hanshaw with in the 11th.

I think constant coutering tactics maybe will be enough to do it, but with the sheer volume of punches he throws, it would be hard to do that.

a one punch wonder, although it would be hard to land, that would do the trick

i think calzaghe has to make sure he has his chin down for starters