Thread: Berto Promises a rematch!

'' DiBella told ESPN.com that Berto likely will defend his title again in the late spring or summer and then has promised Collazo, who also lost a razor-close decision to Ricky Hatton a few years ago, a rematch. He deserves it.''

Ok, thats fine.. we cant get back time but if a rematch happens.. then Luis has a chance to amend this set back..

it also makes for some entertainment in between..

Both had a good showing this past weekend and both could have meaningful and rewarding fights in spring/summer and then take this rematch with potentially alot of momentum coming with both fighters.

just as long as it happens..

And if bertos next opponent is not collazo then i can once again route for him.. untill they meet again..

But lets not do a ricky Mr berto!

I think, if a rematch comes off, that Berto is going to make the necessary adjustments and pull off a UD victory. When he stayed on the outside and boxed, Berto did very well, he just got drawn into infighting (perhaps due to fatigue?). I expect him to recognise this, correct it, and box his way to a UD in the rematch.

Originally Posted by CFH

I think, if a rematch comes off, that Berto is going to make the necessary adjustments and pull off a UD victory. When he stayed on the outside and boxed, Berto did very well, he just got drawn into infighting (perhaps due to fatigue?). I expect him to recognise this, correct it, and box his way to a UD in the rematch.

Berto's infighting suprised me against Collazo, there were many moments where Berto seemed very confused. Granted this is from the skill of Collazo, but Berto will need to make some adjustments or Collazo with extra confidence will take more rounds.

Originally Posted by CFH

I think, if a rematch comes off, that Berto is going to make the necessary adjustments and pull off a UD victory. When he stayed on the outside and boxed, Berto did very well, he just got drawn into infighting (perhaps due to fatigue?). I expect him to recognise this, correct it, and box his way to a UD in the rematch.

i'd say UD or TKO.. Collazo absorbed Berto's big shots, but Berto wasn't hitting him with many combinations in the last half of the fight.. Berto will need to conserve his energy and not fight on the inside and just drop some big shots from the outside.. Eventually Collazo will feel them, and at the very least be effected to the point where Berto will cruise to a UD.

Originally Posted by RP33

Originally Posted by CFH

I think, if a rematch comes off, that Berto is going to make the necessary adjustments and pull off a UD victory. When he stayed on the outside and boxed, Berto did very well, he just got drawn into infighting (perhaps due to fatigue?). I expect him to recognise this, correct it, and box his way to a UD in the rematch.

i'd say UD or TKO.. Collazo absorbed Berto's big shots, but Berto wasn't hitting him with many combinations in the last half of the fight.. Berto will need to conserve his energy and not fight on the inside and just drop some big shots from the outside.. Eventually Collazo will feel them, and at the very least be effected to the point where Berto will cruise to a UD.

Berto closed very strong IMO.

Originally Posted by killersheep

Originally Posted by RP33

Originally Posted by CFH

I think, if a rematch comes off, that Berto is going to make the necessary adjustments and pull off a UD victory. When he stayed on the outside and boxed, Berto did very well, he just got drawn into infighting (perhaps due to fatigue?). I expect him to recognise this, correct it, and box his way to a UD in the rematch.

i'd say UD or TKO.. Collazo absorbed Berto's big shots, but Berto wasn't hitting him with many combinations in the last half of the fight.. Berto will need to conserve his energy and not fight on the inside and just drop some big shots from the outside.. Eventually Collazo will feel them, and at the very least be effected to the point where Berto will cruise to a UD.

Berto closed very strong IMO.

i agree, he had a great 12th round.. he threw more meaningful punches in that round than the 4 rounds before it.. even though he probably won most of those 4 rounds previous, he seemed very sluggish and off balance..

in the other thread about this fight, my first comment was that i felt Collazo won by a point, due to the deduction, and that Berto could have made the fight a WHOLE lot easier than it was if he just stuck to his guns.. I was more disappointed in the showing of Berto, cause i enjoy watching him fight, than anything else.. i'm criticizing him because i know he can fight much better..

Originally Posted by RP33

Originally Posted by killersheep

Originally Posted by RP33

i'd say UD or TKO.. Collazo absorbed Berto's big shots, but Berto wasn't hitting him with many combinations in the last half of the fight.. Berto will need to conserve his energy and not fight on the inside and just drop some big shots from the outside.. Eventually Collazo will feel them, and at the very least be effected to the point where Berto will cruise to a UD.

Berto closed very strong IMO.

i agree, he had a great 12th round.. he threw more meaningful punches in that round than the 4 rounds before it.. even though he probably won most of those 4 rounds previous, he seemed very sluggish and off balance..

in the other thread about this fight, my first comment was that i felt Collazo won by a point, due to the deduction, and that Berto could have made the fight a WHOLE lot easier than it was if he just stuck to his guns.. I was more disappointed in the showing of Berto, cause i enjoy watching him fight, than anything else.. i'm criticizing him because i know he can fight much better..

I wouldn't be too disappointed in Berto. He's a relatively young fighter, not even 25 fights into his career, and Collazo has only definitively been defeated twice. I've never seen the Cassiani fight, but in the Mosley fight he suffered an injury, which I feel is a legitimate excuse for his poor performance; I feel he beat Hatton, barely. It's fights like this, being they close victories or losses, that young fighters often learn from. During the broadcast, Lewis was talking about how he felt his losses made him a better fighter. The same case could be made for Berto in this instance. I fully expect him to win the rematch, in which he will have a chance to demonstrate what he has learned. Berto showed a great desire to win in the 11th and 12th rounds, winning both, hurting Collazo in the process, and claiming the victory. As long as Berto learns from the Collazo fight(s), they could be the best thing for him. If he made the same kind of mistakes against a Cotto or a Margarito, he wouldn't have the chance to recover, come back, and win the fight.

Originally Posted by CFH

Originally Posted by RP33

Originally Posted by killersheep

Berto closed very strong IMO.

i agree, he had a great 12th round.. he threw more meaningful punches in that round than the 4 rounds before it.. even though he probably won most of those 4 rounds previous, he seemed very sluggish and off balance..

in the other thread about this fight, my first comment was that i felt Collazo won by a point, due to the deduction, and that Berto could have made the fight a WHOLE lot easier than it was if he just stuck to his guns.. I was more disappointed in the showing of Berto, cause i enjoy watching him fight, than anything else.. i'm criticizing him because i know he can fight much better..

I wouldn't be too disappointed in Berto. He's a relatively young fighter, not even 25 fights into his career, and Collazo has only definitively been defeated twice. I've never seen the Cassiani fight, but in the Mosley fight he suffered an injury, which I feel is a legitimate excuse for his poor performance; I feel he beat Hatton, barely. It's fights like this, being they close victories or losses, that young fighters often learn from. During the broadcast, Lewis was talking about how he felt his losses made him a better fighter. The same case could be made for Berto in this instance. I fully expect him to win the rematch, in which he will have a chance to demonstrate what he has learned. Berto showed a great desire to win in the 11th and 12th rounds, winning both, hurting Collazo in the process, and claiming the victory. As long as Berto learns from the Collazo fight(s), they could be the best thing for him. If he made the same kind of mistakes against a Cotto or a Margarito, he wouldn't have the chance to recover, come back, and win the fight.

Collazo looked hurt against Cassiani, but I think the stoppage was early.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtnH3ZmkpY0

Luis Collazo was on the verge of going down in the last round, he had nothing left and went to the groud from exhaustion. Andre Berto will win a rematch more comfortably this time, i predicted the scores would be 116-112, 116-113, 115-113.

And i would stick with those scores in a rematch aswell, i still think it will be competitive. But Andre Berto will go to the body more this time, he did hurt Luis Collazo pretty bad in the last round with a body shot. So i think he will go to the body more this time for certain, and also box more from the outside using his speed he had his best success on the outside. And also not square himself up when he's on the inside with Luis Collazo.

I actually wouldn't be suprised if he managed to stop Luis Collazo late on by going to the body more, and we all know Andre Berto can finish a fight very strong. But i would say another UD win for Andre Berto but this time a more convincing win.

Originally Posted by ICB

Luis Collazo was on the verge of going down in the last round, he had nothing left and went to the groud from exhaustion. Andre Berto will win a rematch more comfortably this time, i predicted the scores would be 116-112, 116-113, 115-113.

And i would stick with those scores in a rematch aswell, i still think it will be competitive. But Andre Berto will go to the body more this time, he did hurt Luis Collazo pretty bad in the last round with a body shot. So i think he still outside more and boxing, go to the body more. And not square himself up when he's on the inside.

I actually wouldn't be suprised if he managed to stop Luis Collazo late on by going to the body more, and we all know Andre Berto can finish a fight very strong. But i would say another UD win for Andre Berto but this time a more convincing win.

I think the thing that bothered me about Berto was that he wasn't listening to his corner, They told him to not hold and turn Collazo on the inside, instead he looked completely confused there, held and left his feet stationary. I think if he would have listened to his corner he would have had a clear decision and possibly a late stoppage.

I think Berto is used to being able to tie up the opponent, and usually I am sure thats what his corner would want, but he style is to clinch then figure out where he wants to land punches, I don't think he was expecting not to be able to clinch at all, and meant in the inside fighting was much less containable from a defense perspective because the only option you have is to punch, but he is used to clinching which caused him to be squared up on the inside, and totally out of position, he needs to keep his right left behind him, and have that left shoulder in front where it can block punches, and also have his right hand up by his face. He also throws such wide punches that if you toughen up and decide to throw regardless of what lands on you that he is wide open for the incoming when he is on the inside.

Like ICB said, he should have gone to the body WAY more, its where you can hurt guys who's heads are made of steal. Margarito a lot more vulnerable to the body, and it appears so to is Collazo.

One thing I was impressed about is how Berto delt with the pace, I mean Hatton was worn out at a much slower pace against Collazo, and Hatton is in fatastic shape when he fights, the fact that Berto stayed strong as the fight progressed and always has (watch him against Estrada or Forbes) is an ability that can't hurt.