Thread: So many so called PBF supporters have short memories

it wasn't insured that's why offered a reward for the return...

Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

it wasn't insured that's why offered a reward for the return...

No,its personal property so of course youd offer a reward to have it returned.
And you just contradicted yourself if he was so broke,where did he find the money to even offer a reward for 5 million in jewelery?

Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

Originally Posted by kingfrnk

Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

The older members of the forum will vouch for me on this: I'm one of PBF biggest supporters and vehemently defended him on this forum long before Tony even fought and lost to williams let along shane.

And ive seen all of his fights, it seems those that are blindly watching floyds fights seem to only see his highlights. They don't see, him being wobbled by chop, losing 3 of the first four rounds and being dropped by judah, going the distance with baldomir, beating a ruined mitchell, one dimensional hatton. Floyd hasn't fought an A+ fighter since leaving 135. he doesn't have power at 140 and up. And if he stands in the pocket trying to pick shane off, shane will hit him right in the center repeatedly. Shane would hit him in his arms. shane would be the most powerful fighter floyd has ever faced. Funny how people use the fights that shane lost (vernon and winky) as if they had the blueprint or something. They were bigger longer fighters. vernon and shane clashed heads which caused a concussion.

If castillo, baldomir, chop, mitchell, judah, augustus, de lahoya, even gatti bust floyd's lip. If they can all hit floyd its a foregone conclusion shane will land and land alot. but hopefully hatton will beat pac, to save us the bullshit justification of picking a fight with pacman over shane. if hatton wins floyd has no choice but to fight shane. but he'd still take the pussy way out and fight hatton again.

wrong again. Floyd was the first person to KO hatton who beat Kosta who had good punching power. and you say floyd doesnt have power I dont get it. He doesnt have that one punch ko power but he has enough power to ko some fighters.

Hatton is smaller than floyd, and the ring post did the extra damage for him. and you probably didn't even see nor do you seem to anything about KT. Because he had great punching power but was on his way out of the sport in fact that was his last fight. and had been in wars and like 35 or 36.

I've been watching PBF since he was an amateur, when he was 106lbs. His entire pro career. He is ducking shane. There's no manly justification in fighting oscar over shane, fighting judah over shane, fighting baldomir over shane. Judah ran from shane. And if floyd stays retired so did he. In fact I bet that right now he along with Ellerbe is coming up with a post fight excuse as to why he lost to Shane.

"I wasn't into the fight, my mind wasn't into the sport anymore i just did this for the fans. PBF is a true champion and i fight everybody, but I'm retiring again if i was still into the sport nobody would beat be"

Dude I already owned you in SRL ducking pryor...you might want to do some more research before jumping head first up pbf's ass.

you will never own me you retard. how the hell was floyd ducking shane when floyd was on his way up from 135 and 140 and mosley was fighting at 154 how the fuk is he ducking him when floyd wasnt even even in the same weight class (147) until he fought Mitchell while shane was fighting Vargas twice then floyd went up in weight to fight oscar in 07. you are a dumbass

Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

Originally Posted by RP33

Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

Why shane would beat floyd...Ive been saying it for six years now.

If Floyd stands in front of Mosely and uses the Philly shell to roll as a defense SHANE WILL BREAK HIS FUCKING RIBS or severely damage Floyd's left arm. And IF chop caught and wobbled PBF, the last thing he wants to do is stand and allow Shane to throw. It seems as though people are blind, and have short memories.

Floyd would more than likely wear the pillow gloves to protect his hands which means Shane will walk through is pot shots. And in order to pot shot someone you have to be noticeably quicker/faster. PBF isn't when it comes to Shane. Shane's arms are longer and now that he has his jab back, their jabs will be equal. And Shane is WAAAAAAY stronger and has more power than Floyd at any point of his career. And lastly, where do blind pbf fans get off thinking that Shane is some brawler with out accuracy? Watch his fights and see how accurate the throws head and body shots. Watch the first round of the fight with tony and see the body shot that probably was responsible for people thinking tony was "off". Shane nearly split him in half with the right hand in the first minute of the fight and tony's knees buckled. Floyd is accurate too but not when he throws with power he's reckless. Floyd has to sit and calculate his shots. Shane would have won six years ago, and will still beat Floyd now.

Go to vegas, sneak into the gym and listen to Uncle Roger and Ellerbe tell lil floyd, "Shane is too strong, too quick, and too tough, he aint worth the risk of having a 1 in the "L" column."

What fighter that has fought PBF would you A.) consider accurate and B.) come close to being able to load up on a punch powerful enough to break his ribs?

I think you're exaggerating QUITE a bit. Floyd is accurate as HELL with ALL of his punches.

Shane has a hell of a chin, there is no question about that, but just like many of PBF's opponents, they don't realize how effective he is even though he is not a huge power puncher. If you're connecting flush on a lead right hand with all of your weight behind it, you will feel it. You say Floyd "sits and calculates his shots", as if while he's "sitting" he's hittable. No, Floyd is a PATIENT fighter who throws when he knows he has the highest chance to land a punch. You're implying that he sits lazily or something..

Floyd has fought harder punchers, and they haven't broke his defense nor landed flush often during a fight.. TOUGH, i will give you.. But too strong and too quick?! That just makes you sound like you haven't seen PBF fight.

The older members of the forum will vouch for me on this: I'm one of PBF biggest supporters and vehemently defended him on this forum long before Tony even fought and lost to williams let along shane.

And ive seen all of his fights, it seems those that are blindly watching floyds fights seem to only see his highlights. They don't see, him being wobbled by chop, losing 3 of the first four rounds and being dropped by judah, going the distance with baldomir, beating a ruined mitchell, one dimensional hatton. Floyd hasn't fought an A+ fighter since leaving 135. he doesn't have power at 140 and up. And if he stands in the pocket trying to pick shane off, shane will hit him right in the center repeatedly. Shane would hit him in his arms. shane would be the most powerful fighter floyd has ever faced. Funny how people use the fights that shane lost (vernon and winky) as if they had the blueprint or something. They were bigger longer fighters. vernon and shane clashed heads which caused a concussion.

If castillo, baldomir, chop, mitchell, judah, augustus, de lahoya, even gatti bust floyd's lip. If they can all hit floyd its a foregone conclusion shane will land and land alot. but hopefully hatton will beat pac, to save us the bullshit justification of picking a fight with pacman over shane. if hatton wins floyd has no choice but to fight shane. but he'd still take the pussy way out and fight hatton again.

I really don't see your point about Floyd Mayweather being wobbled, thats the only time he has ever been wobbled and i have seen all of his fights, including quite a few of his Amateur fights.

The only other time he got shook was in a very early fight of his, where he got hit by a huge left hook but he soon recovered. DeMarcus Corley is a pretty decent puncher, i've seen him wobble fighters with one punch.

And he hit Floyd Mayweather with a very unorthodox shot/hard shot, it caught him off balance and Floyd Mayweather never see it coming, but Floyd Mayweather was still calm and he recovered in a matter of 20 seconds. And then he wobbled DeMarcus Corley later in the round.

Your seriously overrating Shane Mosley he is a great fighter and one of my favorites, but he has some serious flaws himself. He has at times got very disheartened/frustrated in fights especially in the Winky Wright fights.

I've never really see Shane Mosley be able to adapt in a fight either, in both the Winky Wright fights he was not able to solve the Winky Wright puzzle. And constantly got caught with the jab one of Shane Mosley's weaknesses.

Also in the Vernon Forrest fights even though he did do better in the very sloppy rematch. Again he couldn't deal with Vernon Forrest's clinching and was again outboxed and lost a decision.

What makes Floyd Mayweather special is that he is able to adapt, in any type of fight especially in his fights against Jose Luis Castillo 1 and 2, Zab Judah, Ricky Hatton, Oscar De La Hoya ETC.

You bring up that he lost 3 rounds against Zab Judah but again, is that the best possible argument you can come up with ? all i think is that fight showed Floyd Mayweather's greatness once again.

That he was able to overcome those first 3 bad rounds, and comeback solve the puzzle and give Zab Judah a beating. And he would of stopped him had it not been for the steet thug move from Zab Judah.

Again im reading your comments and your other argument makes no sense to me either. So he went 12 rounds with Carlos Baldomir and won 12 rounds to 0, i don't see how that prove's anything.

Carlos Baldomir is a very strong guy with a very good chin, he fought Vernon Forrest at Jr Middleweight and ate his shots up like they were nothing.

You also don't have a clue what your on about regarding Ricky Hatton, he isn't one dimensional and if you see his fight with Ben Tackie. When he had to box on the back foot and use his boxing skills, you would know he is far from one dimensional.

I also love how people dismiss Ricky Hatton considering he was one of the top 10 P4P fighters. It just seems to me no matter what Floyd Mayweather does he gets no credit.

Lastly i don't remember Sharmba Mitchell giving Floyd Mayweather any trouble ? i thought he mostly toyed with Sharmba Mitchell. He quite easily beat ODLH so i don't see your argument there at all.

He had a bad shoulder injury against Jose Luis Castillo in there 1st meeting, and in the rematch he quite comfortably beat him. Are you frigging kidding me or something ? when the hell did Carlos Baldomir, Arturo Gatti, hit Floyd Mayweather ?

Let alone alot are you out of your mind ? he dominated those fights with ease. Emanuel Augustus landed one punch that broke Floyd Mayweather's nose, it was a fluke and despite that one moment. He got whooped from pillar to post.

DeMarcus Corley had one decent round against Floyd Mayweather, but he lost the other 11 rounds and was dropped multiple times so again. I don't see that you have any good arguments here at all.

Shane Mosley had awkward/tough fights against Wilfredo Rivera, Phillip Holiday, in his prime. And lets not forget his gift against Oscar De La Hoya in the rematch, again what does this prove ? just like what does your comments prove ?

The only difference is that those fights you mentioned which were 7 fights, were supposedly Floyd Mayweather was hit alot or ETC. He only lost 13 rounds if that combined with all of those 7 fights, where as Shane Mosley lost more than that in those 3 fights i mentioned above.

But again it proves nothing styles make fights, both are great fighters. But i feel Floyd Mayweather is too much of a good all rounder, and is a better all round fighter than Shane Mosley. Shane Mosley's Power/Speed/Jab will make it very competitive. But i see Floyd Mayweather coming out on top with a competitive decision.

Ice,I cant see him fighting again,he has his money,he has his legacy,and he never really seemed that in to it in the first place

Originally Posted by Taeth

I guess people will agree to disagree. Mayweather has faced bigger guys who hit harder like Oscar who haven't broken his shell. Its not easy to break somebodies ribs or especially an arm while wearing a glove. Shane isn't THAT hard of a puncher, and his biggest problem is that he is very robotic and Cotto was able to hit him at will because of his poor movement and in some cases timing. Mayweather has better timing and speed than Cotto. Mosley wasn't able to beat up Estrada very badly, wasn't able to beat up COllazo, he won those fights quite easily especially when Collazo stopped throwing punches, but the fact was that Mosley still was landing hardly anything effective against Collazo who has nowhere near the defensive capabilities that Mayweather does. Also two of Mayweather's better punches the jab and the cross are punches that land very easily on Shane. Mayweather keeps this fight on the outside, and potshots with his cross, and uses his jab to keep Mosley off balance.

I think it would be competitive for sure, Mosley is very fast, does have good skills, but not enough to beat Mayweather IMO. Certainly doesn't have the power or arsenal to land enough punches to stop Mayweather.

I agree on that seeing that is the version of Mosley today...The Mosley in his prime I think beats PBF

Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

it wasn't insured that's why offered a reward for the return...

No,its personal property so of course youd offer a reward to have it returned.
And you just contradicted yourself if he was so broke,where did he find the money to even offer a reward for 5 million in jewelery?

You just know everything don't you? No matter what anyone says you never seem to agree you just always seem to have to tell them like it is

Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Originally Posted by Trainer Monkey

Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

it wasn't insured that's why offered a reward for the return...

No,its personal property so of course youd offer a reward to have it returned.
And you just contradicted yourself if he was so broke,where did he find the money to even offer a reward for 5 million in jewelery?

You just know everything don't you? No matter what anyone says you never seem to agree you just always seem to have to tell them like it is

Actually Daxx, TM is just making fair points here about JonesJrMayweather's claims that PBF is broke.

Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

Why shane would beat floyd...Ive been saying it for six years now.

If Floyd stands in front of Mosely and uses the Philly shell to roll as a defense SHANE WILL BREAK HIS FUCKING RIBS or severely damage Floyd's left arm. And IF chop caught and wobbled PBF, the last thing he wants to do is stand and allow Shane to throw. It seems as though people are blind, and have short memories.

Floyd would more than likely wear the pillow gloves to protect his hands which means Shane will walk through is pot shots. And in order to pot shot someone you have to be noticeably quicker/faster. PBF isn't when it comes to Shane. Shane's arms are longer and now that he has his jab back, their jabs will be equal. And Shane is WAAAAAAY stronger and has more power than Floyd at any point of his career. And lastly, where do blind pbf fans get off thinking that Shane is some brawler with out accuracy? Watch his fights and see how accurate the throws head and body shots. Watch the first round of the fight with tony and see the body shot that probably was responsible for people thinking tony was "off". Shane nearly split him in half with the right hand in the first minute of the fight and tony's knees buckled. Floyd is accurate too but not when he throws with power he's reckless. Floyd has to sit and calculate his shots. Shane would have won six years ago, and will still beat Floyd now.

Go to vegas, sneak into the gym and listen to Uncle Roger and Ellerbe tell lil floyd, "Shane is too strong, too quick, and too tough, he aint worth the risk of having a 1 in the "L" column."

There's no doubt that Shane would have a chance to beat Floyd, but what people truly tend to forget is the fact that there is a reason Floyd Mayweather was the top fighter in the world for so long. He's simply on another level than most world champions. No one, including Floyd, is unbeatable, but the notion that a fighter of his caliber will simply be dismantled is insane. A fighter would have to fight the perfect fight to beat him, and even still, he would most likely just barely beat him. People act as if Corley was the only person in history to lay a glove on Mayweather's head, and thus if anyone can merely connect, they will wobble him. That's just insane. Instead of looking at how many fights a fighter has had, try calculating approximately how many punches have been thrown at him. It's in the tens of thousands. If a guy's only been rocked one or two times out of 50,000 attempts, odds are he won't get caught. And let's not forget that Vargas, Mayorga, and Margarito ain't exactly carbon copies of Floyd Mayweather. I find it hard to believe that a guy who went over 5 years without even scoring a knockout is gonna seriously hurt arguably the greatest defensive fighter of this generation.

Originally Posted by Taeth

I guess people will agree to disagree. Mayweather has faced bigger guys who hit harder like Oscar who haven't broken his shell. Its not easy to break somebodies ribs or especially an arm while wearing a glove. Shane isn't THAT hard of a puncher, and his biggest problem is that he is very robotic and Cotto was able to hit him at will because of his poor movement and in some cases timing. Mayweather has better timing and speed than Cotto. Mosley wasn't able to beat up Estrada very badly, wasn't able to beat up COllazo, he won those fights quite easily especially when Collazo stopped throwing punches, but the fact was that Mosley still was landing hardly anything effective against Collazo who has nowhere near the defensive capabilities that Mayweather does. Also two of Mayweather's better punches the jab and the cross are punches that land very easily on Shane. Mayweather keeps this fight on the outside, and potshots with his cross, and uses his jab to keep Mosley off balance.

I think it would be competitive for sure, Mosley is very fast, does have good skills, but not enough to beat Mayweather IMO. Certainly doesn't have the power or arsenal to land enough punches to stop Mayweather.

The world is coming to an end.. I have agreed with you a few times over the past couple days

People are getting all sentimental over Shanes win over Margarito... Margarito is very slow with probably the world shittiest defense.. Not saying he's not bad ass with his aggression and terminator like pressure and resolve.. Shane is a big Welter who was stronger than Margarito and 10x faster and fearless..

Shane is there to be outboxed, his defeats were against skilled tacticians, Wright-Forrest and Cotto outboxed Mosley down the stretch.. Mayweather is the best boxer in the biz hands down and is technically lightyears ahead of Mosley.. Floyd would frustrate Shane use his footwork and defense to pick up a desicion.

Shane is a hall of famer and a big fight competitor, but Mayweather is a bad matchup for him

Originally Posted by DC Amateur Boxing

Originally Posted by Taeth

I think it would be competitive for sure, Mosley is very fast, does have good skills, but not enough to beat Mayweather IMO. Certainly doesn't have the power or arsenal to land enough punches to stop Mayweather.

PBF wouldn't stand anywhere close to still and let SSM bang him. He would do what he has done his whole career, study Mosely, come up with a solid plan of action and execute it to a tee. SSM doesn't have the footwork that could trap PBF or set up his shots like Margarito who was pretty much right there all night. I'd love to see it, but I don't think that match up could generate the $$$ PBF would demand.

For most of his career, Shane fought one way because that's all his father-trainer knew. Jack Mosley was never great at gameplanning. Shane did what he did, and usually he was talented enough to win.

Just the thought...now that Nazem is training him, it's there a chance that Nazem sits down, studies Mayweather, and creates his own plan?

Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

Originally Posted by Taeth

I guess people will agree to disagree. Mayweather has faced bigger guys who hit harder like Oscar who haven't broken his shell. Its not easy to break somebodies ribs or especially an arm while wearing a glove. Shane isn't THAT hard of a puncher, and his biggest problem is that he is very robotic and Cotto was able to hit him at will because of his poor movement and in some cases timing. Mayweather has better timing and speed than Cotto. Mosley wasn't able to beat up Estrada very badly, wasn't able to beat up COllazo, he won those fights quite easily especially when Collazo stopped throwing punches, but the fact was that Mosley still was landing hardly anything effective against Collazo who has nowhere near the defensive capabilities that Mayweather does. Also two of Mayweather's better punches the jab and the cross are punches that land very easily on Shane. Mayweather keeps this fight on the outside, and potshots with his cross, and uses his jab to keep Mosley off balance.

I think it would be competitive for sure, Mosley is very fast, does have good skills, but not enough to beat Mayweather IMO. Certainly doesn't have the power or arsenal to land enough punches to stop Mayweather.

shane has fought to the level of his comp..and when he feels he's the great underdog he will turn it up...all those point u made can easily be turned against floyd..floyd hasn't fought a prime a+ fighter since he was at 135...

hatton is good but's not a+ and mosely's competition easily trumps pbf. So while i won't be rooting for anything more than a good fight. I think shane wins...and shane beating margo forces pbf to stayed retired..because if comes out and fights anybody but shane, its clear that he doesn't want any part of him....sure he can come out and fight manny if he beats hatton, (which i think he wont) but manny is too small and doesnt have the skill to beat floyd...so im pulling for hatton to force floyd to fight shane...any one else is just stupid..unless he fights cotto, but if cotto fight margo again and wins they will sign a trilogy....so floyd has no choice but to face shane..

Floyd has offered to fight Shane in the past, when he was younger.. Shane said his tooth was loose and didnt want the fight

So your pathetic drivel is just that, Floyd would have happily fought Shane... Shane strated getting Ballsy with Floyd after he beat Oscar, thats why Floyd stuc kit to him and said he wasnt going to fight a sparring partner and a non draw, when he had Hatton in the wings...

People were dogging Shane when he fought Vargas, saying he was slipping and big whoop he stopped him 2x..... So at the time Shane wasnt doing anything blockbuster.. Then people were talking shit that Floyd was calling out and picking on an Old Mosley..

So give me a fing break about Floyd being FORCED to fight Shane, and when he comes out of retirement and beats Shane its retards like you who'll claim Shane was old, although people have been calling Shane old for about 6-7 years now

Shane is one of my all time favorite fighters and I have never picked against him in his career, but no way does he beat Floyd, nor is Floyd afraid of Shane.. Tony was exposed for what he was, a face first iron chinned warrior with good stamina with no plan B... Shane was the guy with the perfect style to stop him.

Originally Posted by RozzySean

Originally Posted by DC Amateur Boxing

Originally Posted by Taeth

I think it would be competitive for sure, Mosley is very fast, does have good skills, but not enough to beat Mayweather IMO. Certainly doesn't have the power or arsenal to land enough punches to stop Mayweather.

PBF wouldn't stand anywhere close to still and let SSM bang him. He would do what he has done his whole career, study Mosely, come up with a solid plan of action and execute it to a tee. SSM doesn't have the footwork that could trap PBF or set up his shots like Margarito who was pretty much right there all night. I'd love to see it, but I don't think that match up could generate the $$$ PBF would demand.

For most of his career, Shane fought one way because that's all his father-trainer knew. Jack Mosley was never great at gameplanning. Shane did what he did, and usually he was talented enough to win.

Just the thought...now that Nazem is training him, it's there a chance that Nazem sits down, studies Mayweather, and creates his own plan?

All the best trainers have tried, Nazeem is smart but is getting alot of publicity for beating 2 1 dimensional fighters with no plan B's.. Albeit 2 tough young champs in their prime.

The 2 things that made a difference in Pavlik/Hopins-Mosley/Margarito was hand speed, footwork... Floyd has all that with the ring intelligence to have a plan A,B,C.. Im not saying its impossible, but Richardson wasnt planning against 2 master skilled ring tacticians

Originally Posted by match

Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

Why shane would beat floyd...Ive been saying it for six years now.

If Floyd stands in front of Mosely and uses the Philly shell to roll as a defense SHANE WILL BREAK HIS FUCKING RIBS or severely damage Floyd's left arm. And IF chop caught and wobbled PBF, the last thing he wants to do is stand and allow Shane to throw. It seems as though people are blind, and have short memories.

Floyd would more than likely wear the pillow gloves to protect his hands which means Shane will walk through is pot shots. And in order to pot shot someone you have to be noticeably quicker/faster. PBF isn't when it comes to Shane. Shane's arms are longer and now that he has his jab back, their jabs will be equal. And Shane is WAAAAAAY stronger and has more power than Floyd at any point of his career. And lastly, where do blind pbf fans get off thinking that Shane is some brawler with out accuracy? Watch his fights and see how accurate the throws head and body shots. Watch the first round of the fight with tony and see the body shot that probably was responsible for people thinking tony was "off". Shane nearly split him in half with the right hand in the first minute of the fight and tony's knees buckled. Floyd is accurate too but not when he throws with power he's reckless. Floyd has to sit and calculate his shots. Shane would have won six years ago, and will still beat Floyd now.

Go to vegas, sneak into the gym and listen to Uncle Roger and Ellerbe tell lil floyd, "Shane is too strong, too quick, and too tough, he aint worth the risk of having a 1 in the "L" column."

There's no doubt that Shane would have a chance to beat Floyd, but what people truly tend to forget is the fact that there is a reason Floyd Mayweather was the top fighter in the world for so long. He's simply on another level than most world champions. No one, including Floyd, is unbeatable, but the notion that a fighter of his caliber will simply be dismantled is insane. A fighter would have to fight the perfect fight to beat him, and even still, he would most likely just barely beat him. People act as if Corley was the only person in history to lay a glove on Mayweather's head, and thus if anyone can merely connect, they will wobble him. That's just insane. Instead of looking at how many fights a fighter has had, try calculating approximately how many punches have been thrown at him. It's in the tens of thousands. If a guy's only been rocked one or two times out of 50,000 attempts, odds are he won't get caught. And let's not forget that Vargas, Mayorga, and Margarito ain't exactly carbon copies of Floyd Mayweather. I find it hard to believe that a guy who went over 5 years without even scoring a knockout is gonna seriously hurt arguably the greatest defensive fighter of this generation.

I agree 1000000000000% and I am still riding the high of Shanes win and as a fan am nostalgic and what have you, but eventually people will sober up soon.. Like I said, people were dogging Floyd before about mentioning Shanes name and that he was past it etc... Now the notion that all of a sudden after beating up Margarito, which in about every Floyd fan knew Mayweather would comprehensivly beat Tony if they ever fought too, Shane all of a sudden is anybetter off tecnically than he was a few years ago is insane

Originally Posted by ICB

Originally Posted by JonesJrMayweather

Originally Posted by RP33

What fighter that has fought PBF would you A.) consider accurate and B.) come close to being able to load up on a punch powerful enough to break his ribs?

I think you're exaggerating QUITE a bit. Floyd is accurate as HELL with ALL of his punches.

Shane has a hell of a chin, there is no question about that, but just like many of PBF's opponents, they don't realize how effective he is even though he is not a huge power puncher. If you're connecting flush on a lead right hand with all of your weight behind it, you will feel it. You say Floyd "sits and calculates his shots", as if while he's "sitting" he's hittable. No, Floyd is a PATIENT fighter who throws when he knows he has the highest chance to land a punch. You're implying that he sits lazily or something..

Floyd has fought harder punchers, and they haven't broke his defense nor landed flush often during a fight.. TOUGH, i will give you.. But too strong and too quick?! That just makes you sound like you haven't seen PBF fight.

The older members of the forum will vouch for me on this: I'm one of PBF biggest supporters and vehemently defended him on this forum long before Tony even fought and lost to williams let along shane.

And ive seen all of his fights, it seems those that are blindly watching floyds fights seem to only see his highlights. They don't see, him being wobbled by chop, losing 3 of the first four rounds and being dropped by judah, going the distance with baldomir, beating a ruined mitchell, one dimensional hatton. Floyd hasn't fought an A+ fighter since leaving 135. he doesn't have power at 140 and up. And if he stands in the pocket trying to pick shane off, shane will hit him right in the center repeatedly. Shane would hit him in his arms. shane would be the most powerful fighter floyd has ever faced. Funny how people use the fights that shane lost (vernon and winky) as if they had the blueprint or something. They were bigger longer fighters. vernon and shane clashed heads which caused a concussion.

If castillo, baldomir, chop, mitchell, judah, augustus, de lahoya, even gatti bust floyd's lip. If they can all hit floyd its a foregone conclusion shane will land and land alot. but hopefully hatton will beat pac, to save us the bullshit justification of picking a fight with pacman over shane. if hatton wins floyd has no choice but to fight shane. but he'd still take the pussy way out and fight hatton again.

I really don't see your point about Floyd Mayweather being wobbled, thats the only time he has ever been wobbled and i have seen all of his fights, including quite a few of his Amateur fights.

The only other time he got shook was in a very early fight of his, where he got hit by a huge left hook but he soon recovered. DeMarcus Corley is a pretty decent puncher, i've seen him wobble fighters with one punch.

And he hit Floyd Mayweather with a very unorthodox shot/hard shot, it caught him off balance and Floyd Mayweather never see it coming, but Floyd Mayweather was still calm and he recovered in a matter of 20 seconds. And then he wobbled DeMarcus Corley later in the round.

Your seriously overrating Shane Mosley he is a great fighter and one of my favorites, but he has some serious flaws himself. He has at times got very disheartened/frustrated in fights especially in the Winky Wright fights.

I've never really see Shane Mosley be able to adapt in a fight either, in both the Winky Wright fights he was not able to solve the Winky Wright puzzle. And constantly got caught with the jab one of Shane Mosley's weaknesses.

Also in the Vernon Forrest fights even though he did do better in the very sloppy rematch. Again he couldn't deal with Vernon Forrest's clinching and was again outboxed and lost a decision.

What makes Floyd Mayweather special is that he is able to adapt, in any type of fight especially in his fights against Jose Luis Castillo 1 and 2, Zab Judah, Ricky Hatton, Oscar De La Hoya ETC.

You bring up that he lost 3 rounds against Zab Judah but again, is that the best possible argument you can come up with ? all i think is that fight showed Floyd Mayweather's greatness once again.

That he was able to overcome those first 3 bad rounds, and comeback solve the puzzle and give Zab Judah a beating. And he would of stopped him had it not been for the steet thug move from Zab Judah.

Again im reading your comments and your other argument makes no sense to me either. So he went 12 rounds with Carlos Baldomir and won 12 rounds to 0, i don't see how that prove's anything.

Carlos Baldomir is a very strong guy with a very good chin, he fought Vernon Forrest at Jr Middleweight and ate his shots up like they were nothing.

You also don't have a clue what your on about regarding Ricky Hatton, he isn't one dimensional and if you see his fight with Ben Tackie. When he had to box on the back foot and use his boxing skills, you would know he is far from one dimensional.

I also love how people dismiss Ricky Hatton considering he was one of the top 10 P4P fighters. It just seems to me no matter what Floyd Mayweather does he gets no credit.

Lastly i don't remember Sharmba Mitchell giving Floyd Mayweather any trouble ? i thought he mostly toyed with Sharmba Mitchell. He quite easily beat ODLH so i don't see your argument there at all.

He had a bad shoulder injury against Jose Luis Castillo in there 1st meeting, and in the rematch he quite comfortably beat him. Are you frigging kidding me or something ? when the hell did Carlos Baldomir, Arturo Gatti, hit Floyd Mayweather ?

Let alone alot are you out of your mind ? he dominated those fights with ease. Emanuel Augustus landed one punch that broke Floyd Mayweather's nose, it was a fluke and despite that one moment. He got whooped from pillar to post.

DeMarcus Corley had one decent round against Floyd Mayweather, but he lost the other 11 rounds and was dropped multiple times so again. I don't see that you have any good arguments here at all.

Shane Mosley had awkward/tough fights against Wilfredo Rivera, Phillip Holiday, in his prime. And lets not forget his gift against Oscar De La Hoya in the rematch, again what does this prove ? just like what does your comments prove ?

The only difference is that those fights you mentioned which were 7 fights, were supposedly Floyd Mayweather was hit alot or ETC. He only lost 13 rounds if that combined with all of those 7 fights, where as Shane Mosley lost more than that in those 3 fights i mentioned above.

But again it proves nothing styles make fights, both are great fighters. But i feel Floyd Mayweather is too much of a good all rounder, and is a better all round fighter than Shane Mosley. Shane Mosley's Power/Speed/Jab will make it very competitive. But i see Floyd Mayweather coming out on top with a competitive decision.

This thread has me all fired up, because of the sheer ignorance of this dude... I only regret I cant Neg rep him 2 x today.. I couldnt have made those points better myself