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Well all i can say to what you and cut say ice is if your going to make a thing for lower weight fighters then yo got to do something for the Heavyweight because when it comes to pound for pound enless you are Ali they get no credit at all Holmes,Lennox,Foreman and Holyfeild when comes to pound for pound get no credit which i think is lame.
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yeah i dont no much about the dude. i first started boxing when i was 14. but i only started watchin boxing from the hatton tyzsu fight onwards.forgive me my saddo brothers. we all got 2 start somewhere rightOriginally Posted by ICB
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One thing that separates Lopez & Mayweather from Calzaghe for me is that when they had a debatable decision or draw (Castillo & Alvarez) they made sure they had a rematch with that opponent & put in a performance that left no room for doubt. Calzaghe can say he doesn't do rematches but then why did he fight Mario Veit twice. I think the fact that he didn't have rematches with Reid & Hopkins weighs against him heavily in this respect
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Calzaghe v Hopkins was just plain ugly....and would you have traded a rematch for the destruction of Pavlik by the executioner. As for Robin Reid, by the time Calzaghe would have considered the rematch, he'd lost a WBU title shot and was fighting for minority tiles and was out of the real world reckoning, fighting on the secondary circuit.
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Reid turned down the rematch.
And there's no way Hopkins would travel to Britain for Calzaghe. Did you read his ignorant comments after their fight?
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It was more Calzaghe's attitude afterwards of why should I give him a rematch that pissed me off, & whilst I enjoyed B-Hop's destruction of Pavlik, I would've liked to see em do it again because I thought Hopkins won the first match & I think it would've been a fitting send-off for the both of em if they were to fight 1 more time. Also I don't think there is an excuse for him not fighting Reid again (I do think he Joe just edged the fight), he still would've been better than some of the jokes the Joe was fighting. Don't get me wrong I think Joe is a great champ, but he's just short of Mayweather & Lopez' level because of that & also because I don't think he is as talented a boxer as either of them technically. Similar to how I wouldn't even class Marciano anywhere near Joe's level.Calzaghe v Hopkins was just plain ugly....and would you have traded a rematch for the destruction of Pavlik by the executioner. As for Robin Reid, by the time Calzaghe would have considered the rematch, he'd lost a WBU title shot and was fighting for minority tiles and was out of the real world reckoning, fighting on the secondary circuit.
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Mick's post here sums it up.
Something that annoys me is when people say he didn't have hall of fame competition which is why his record is not impressive.
The thing is the lower weights especially Straweight is not on the same boat as the rest of the divisions. This is mainly in the lower weights.
Here's what I mean, fighters in the lower weights get title shots sooner/earlier in their careers then they do at the higher weights.
So you'll look at a Straweights record and it'll look like 21-3 and you'll say well what a short career. But when you actually study his record you'll see he fought something like 6 title bouts won 3 lost 3 and beat some top names. That may not look to be hall of fame career compared to Hagler or Duran but again it's because the careers at the lower weights seems to be shorter. Take Petelo for example his career ended at 17-5-2 hardly a monstrous career decorated with longevity but again look closer you'll see he fought Sor Vorapin, Jamili, Rubillar, Zolile & Lopez. He defended his IBF title 5 times before loosing to Lopez. That resume to me is a hall resume again considering the way careers go at the lower weight.
I think the Hall needs to update/revise a lot of things as far as their induction requirements. You can't measure careers when the lower weights are not on the same boat it's unfair to them IMO.
Anyway back to Lopez and his opposition.
I think he fought the best opposition available to him Ohashi, Saman, Kermin, Sanchez, Alvarez, Grisby, Vorapin & Petelo.
IMO all hall material for the small guys. So to me when I read things like he never fought top/hall opposition I just can't help but think that the people want to see opponents who had long careers with titles and all that but it's not the case.
Even today I mean in recent times did Calderon have any hall of fame names? Shit I just remembered he himself fought the same Sanchez, Lopez fought yrs. ago...
He moved up in weight and fought Cazares whos the biggest name on his resume. Yutaka himself, his best win is over Chana other then that he's got top names. I think Yutakas def. hall for a Straweight...
This doesn't really answer my questions (no disrespect Mick).
It highlights that the smaller weight divisions are WEAK in numbers.
Lopez has no great legends on his resume, right?
Lopez has no P4P great wins on his resume, right?
Yet we have people on this thread claiming Lopez is not allowed to be questioned.
What other great fighters are NOT judged by their opposition?
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Without a doubt the greatest undefeated boxer of all time is Mason DixonMick's post here sums it up.
Something that annoys me is when people say he didn't have hall of fame competition which is why his record is not impressive.
The thing is the lower weights especially Straweight is not on the same boat as the rest of the divisions. This is mainly in the lower weights.
Here's what I mean, fighters in the lower weights get title shots sooner/earlier in their careers then they do at the higher weights.
So you'll look at a Straweights record and it'll look like 21-3 and you'll say well what a short career. But when you actually study his record you'll see he fought something like 6 title bouts won 3 lost 3 and beat some top names. That may not look to be hall of fame career compared to Hagler or Duran but again it's because the careers at the lower weights seems to be shorter. Take Petelo for example his career ended at 17-5-2 hardly a monstrous career decorated with longevity but again look closer you'll see he fought Sor Vorapin, Jamili, Rubillar, Zolile & Lopez. He defended his IBF title 5 times before loosing to Lopez. That resume to me is a hall resume again considering the way careers go at the lower weight.
I think the Hall needs to update/revise a lot of things as far as their induction requirements. You can't measure careers when the lower weights are not on the same boat it's unfair to them IMO.
Anyway back to Lopez and his opposition.
I think he fought the best opposition available to him Ohashi, Saman, Kermin, Sanchez, Alvarez, Grisby, Vorapin & Petelo.
IMO all hall material for the small guys. So to me when I read things like he never fought top/hall opposition I just can't help but think that the people want to see opponents who had long careers with titles and all that but it's not the case.
Even today I mean in recent times did Calderon have any hall of fame names? Shit I just remembered he himself fought the same Sanchez, Lopez fought yrs. ago...
He moved up in weight and fought Cazares whos the biggest name on his resume. Yutaka himself, his best win is over Chana other then that he's got top names. I think Yutakas def. hall for a Straweight...
This doesn't really answer my questions (no disrespect Mick).
It highlights that the smaller weight divisions are WEAK in numbers.
Lopez has no great legends on his resume, right?
Lopez has no P4P great wins on his resume, right?
Yet we have people on this thread claiming Lopez is not allowed to be questioned.
What other great fighters are NOT judged by their opposition?
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The offer to Reid was made purposely low to make sure Reid turned it down. And it came a year after there first fight. Reid wanted and deserved a rematch right away. Calzaghe never really wanted Reid again. I'm sure you know it.Reid turned down the rematch.
And there's no way Hopkins would travel to Britain for Calzaghe. Did you read his ignorant comments after their fight?
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The offer to Reid was made purposely low to make sure Reid turned it down. And it came a year after there first fight. Reid wanted and deserved a rematch right away. Calzaghe never really wanted Reid again. I'm sure you know it.Reid turned down the rematch.
And there's no way Hopkins would travel to Britain for Calzaghe. Did you read his ignorant comments after their fight?
Purposely low?
I'll let Robin Reid tell you the story... "We thought bearing in mind how close the first fight was we would get paid a decent amount for a second fight, especially when so many people thought I won the first one. I was told I would get paid what I was worth, I was told it would be an offer I could not refuse, in the end all I was offered was 90k, that was only 15k more than the first time around.
No one could tell me that people would not have been interested in a second fight, all I wanted was to be paid for what I was worth! To be honest I thought I was going to be offered 150k and as I say I was offered 90k, that is why the second fight never came. It was shortly after that I signed for Jess Harding."
Right, now you tell me how much Reid got for fighting NOBODIES after that?
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90k was an insult offer. And didn't he make 100k for fighting Sven Ottke (not sure)?The offer to Reid was made purposely low to make sure Reid turned it down. And it came a year after there first fight. Reid wanted and deserved a rematch right away. Calzaghe never really wanted Reid again. I'm sure you know it.
Purposely low?
I'll let Robin Reid tell you the story... "We thought bearing in mind how close the first fight was we would get paid a decent amount for a second fight, especially when so many people thought I won the first one. I was told I would get paid what I was worth, I was told it would be an offer I could not refuse, in the end all I was offered was 90k, that was only 15k more than the first time around.
No one could tell me that people would not have been interested in a second fight, all I wanted was to be paid for what I was worth! To be honest I thought I was going to be offered 150k and as I say I was offered 90k, that is why the second fight never came. It was shortly after that I signed for Jess Harding."
Right, now you tell me how much Reid got for fighting NOBODIES after that?
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Insult? Do you know what type of money Robin Reid was on? He was fighting in sports centres after that.90k was an insult offer. And didn't he make 100k for fighting Sven Ottke (not sure)?
Purposely low?
I'll let Robin Reid tell you the story... "We thought bearing in mind how close the first fight was we would get paid a decent amount for a second fight, especially when so many people thought I won the first one. I was told I would get paid what I was worth, I was told it would be an offer I could not refuse, in the end all I was offered was 90k, that was only 15k more than the first time around.
No one could tell me that people would not have been interested in a second fight, all I wanted was to be paid for what I was worth! To be honest I thought I was going to be offered 150k and as I say I was offered 90k, that is why the second fight never came. It was shortly after that I signed for Jess Harding."
Right, now you tell me how much Reid got for fighting NOBODIES after that?
What you have there is, Reid turning down a rematch with Calzaghe. That is a fact.
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If I remember correctly Reid had 3 high profile fights after the Calzaghe fight.Insult? Do you know what type of money Robin Reid was on? He was fighting in sports centres after that.90k was an insult offer. And didn't he make 100k for fighting Sven Ottke (not sure)?
Purposely low?
I'll let Robin Reid tell you the story... "We thought bearing in mind how close the first fight was we would get paid a decent amount for a second fight, especially when so many people thought I won the first one. I was told I would get paid what I was worth, I was told it would be an offer I could not refuse, in the end all I was offered was 90k, that was only 15k more than the first time around.
No one could tell me that people would not have been interested in a second fight, all I wanted was to be paid for what I was worth! To be honest I thought I was going to be offered 150k and as I say I was offered 90k, that is why the second fight never came. It was shortly after that I signed for Jess Harding."
Right, now you tell me how much Reid got for fighting NOBODIES after that?
What you have there is, Reid turning down a rematch with Calzaghe. That is a fact.
Simple question for you. Do you think Reid deserved a rematch? A simple yes or no is required.
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