Thread: Haye willing to fight Wlad in Germany

Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Originally Posted by Lyle

Well Vitali has a MANDATORY opponent in Juan Carlos Gomez....Wladimir just tried to make a big time fight with David Haye but apprently Haye doesn't want to fight so I guess Cris Arreola is the next best thing.

Frankenstein Senior was originally claiming the Haye fight was bigger than the belt and he was going to fight Haye regardless of whether the WBC sanctioned it. Then He bottled out of fighting Haye by hiding behind hias mandatory.

Now Junior is bottling out of fighting Haye too by fighting a domestic level American. Haye is offering to go to Germany and effectively fight for free but Junior would rather pay 25% of the promotion to fight a big fat nobody instead. What a sorry pair of so-called "champions."

Oh, give me a break. Both Klitchko's would be happy to shut Haye's mouth for him, but business is business. Haye's demands are ridiculous given his current standing. He is basically unknown in the US, having only one main event fight on either HBO or Showime. Wlad, on the other hand, has been a featured fighter on HBO for years now. Even Haye's domestic appeal in the UK is questionable as his fight with Barrett barely drew 6000, whereas Wlad sells out in Germany regardless of the opponent. He clearly brings more economic muscle to the table, but Haye and his handler's refuse to be realistic businessmen. That is why the fight is having problems, period.

i think david needs to remember that he has no right to face wlad and if he really wants the fight he is going to have to bend over and take what ever wlad wants to give him.

i dont agree with the hole if you beat me you got to fight big brother, but didnt david say thats what he wanted to do.

and please dont go on about david being undisputed cruiserweight so he get to jump the que, heavyweight is to much of a jump, in weight and in class.

Originally Posted by SteamBoat

i think david needs to remember that he has no right to face wlad and if he really wants the fight he is going to have to bend over and take what ever wlad wants to give him.

i dont agree with the hole if you beat me you got to fight big brother, but didnt david say thats what he wanted to do.

and please dont go on about david being undisputed cruiserweight so he get to jump the que, heavyweight is to much of a jump, in weight and in class.

And it's not like comparing David Haye to De la Hoya, Manny Pacquiao, Floyd Mayweather Jr. or even his fellow countryman Ricky Hatton is fair either......David Haye isn't a big money fighter yet and there it's no safe bet that he will become one either.

Wlad can put butts in seats in Germany and in the US as can Vitali....David Haye has trouble getting support in his own country

Originally Posted by ClubberLang

Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Originally Posted by Lyle

Well Vitali has a MANDATORY opponent in Juan Carlos Gomez....Wladimir just tried to make a big time fight with David Haye but apprently Haye doesn't want to fight so I guess Cris Arreola is the next best thing.

Frankenstein Senior was originally claiming the Haye fight was bigger than the belt and he was going to fight Haye regardless of whether the WBC sanctioned it. Then He bottled out of fighting Haye by hiding behind hias mandatory.

Now Junior is bottling out of fighting Haye too by fighting a domestic level American. Haye is offering to go to Germany and effectively fight for free but Junior would rather pay 25% of the promotion to fight a big fat nobody instead. What a sorry pair of so-called "champions."

Oh, give me a break. Both Klitchko's would be happy to shut Haye's mouth for him, but business is business. Haye's demands are ridiculous given his current standing. He is basically unknown in the US, having only one main event fight on either HBO or Showime. Wlad, on the other hand, has been a featured fighter on HBO for years now. Even Haye's domestic appeal in the UK is questionable as his fight with Barrett barely drew 6000, whereas Wlad sells out in Germany regardless of the opponent. He clearly brings more economic muscle to the table, but Haye and his handler's refuse to be realistic businessmen. That is why the fight is having problems, period.

I agree. Busines is business. So why are the Klitschkos giving 25% of their next promotion to another fighter when Haye will fight for effectively free and let them keep 100% of the money?

Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

I agree. Busines is business. So why are the Klitschkos giving 25% of their next promotion to another fighter when Haye will fight for effectively free and let them keep 100% of the money?

That is not what is going on oh insufferable one....Haye is in a position to take a title fight vs the best fighter in the division and he's going to bluff his way out of the fight and then blame Wlad for not accepting his ludicris demands

Originally Posted by Lyle

Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

I agree. Busines is business. So why are the Klitschkos giving 25% of their next promotion to another fighter when Haye will fight for effectively free and let them keep 100% of the money?

That is not what is going on oh insufferable one....Haye is in a position to take a title fight vs the best fighter in the division and he's going to bluff his way out of the fight and then blame Wlad for not accepting his ludicris demands

Haye is offering to fight in germany and not take a penny from the promotion other than British TV rights which would be negligible for a vlad vs. Arreola/similar fight. So he's offering to fight in Vlad's country for effectively nothing, agreed to two options after the fight, etc. The bottler Klitschko is instead negotiating with a fat domestic-level American to give him 20-25% of the same promotion. Fighting Haye would earn him 100% of the promotion, fighting an alternative around 80%. Why is he doing that?

Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Originally Posted by Lyle

Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

I agree. Busines is business. So why are the Klitschkos giving 25% of their next promotion to another fighter when Haye will fight for effectively free and let them keep 100% of the money?

That is not what is going on oh insufferable one....Haye is in a position to take a title fight vs the best fighter in the division and he's going to bluff his way out of the fight and then blame Wlad for not accepting his ludicris demands

Haye is offering to fight in germany and not take a penny from the promotion other than British TV rights which would be negligible for a vlad vs. Arreola/similar fight. So he's offering to fight in Vlad's country for effectively nothing, agreed to two options after the fight, etc. The bottler Klitschko is instead negotiating with a fat domestic-level American to give him 20-25% of the same promotion. Fighting Haye would earn him 100% of the promotion, fighting an alternative around 80%. Why is he doing that?

How do you know all this mate?

Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Originally Posted by ClubberLang

Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Frankenstein Senior was originally claiming the Haye fight was bigger than the belt and he was going to fight Haye regardless of whether the WBC sanctioned it. Then He bottled out of fighting Haye by hiding behind hias mandatory.

Now Junior is bottling out of fighting Haye too by fighting a domestic level American. Haye is offering to go to Germany and effectively fight for free but Junior would rather pay 25% of the promotion to fight a big fat nobody instead. What a sorry pair of so-called "champions."

Oh, give me a break. Both Klitchko's would be happy to shut Haye's mouth for him, but business is business. Haye's demands are ridiculous given his current standing. He is basically unknown in the US, having only one main event fight on either HBO or Showime. Wlad, on the other hand, has been a featured fighter on HBO for years now. Even Haye's domestic appeal in the UK is questionable as his fight with Barrett barely drew 6000, whereas Wlad sells out in Germany regardless of the opponent. He clearly brings more economic muscle to the table, but Haye and his handler's refuse to be realistic businessmen. That is why the fight is having problems, period.

I agree. Busines is business. So why are the Klitschkos giving 25% of their next promotion to another fighter when Haye will fight for effectively free and let them keep 100% of the money?

How gullible are you? When a fighter says "I'll fight him for free" do you actually believe him? Saying and doing are 2 different things. Haye is just spitting nonsense to cover up the fact that he and his team are killing the fight. There is no way he would fight for just the UK TV money. It's hilarious to think that some people actually believe that fabrication of the truth.

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Originally Posted by ClubberLang

Oh, give me a break. Both Klitchko's would be happy to shut Haye's mouth for him, but business is business. Haye's demands are ridiculous given his current standing. He is basically unknown in the US, having only one main event fight on either HBO or Showime. Wlad, on the other hand, has been a featured fighter on HBO for years now. Even Haye's domestic appeal in the UK is questionable as his fight with Barrett barely drew 6000, whereas Wlad sells out in Germany regardless of the opponent. He clearly brings more economic muscle to the table, but Haye and his handler's refuse to be realistic businessmen. That is why the fight is having problems, period.

I agree. Busines is business. So why are the Klitschkos giving 25% of their next promotion to another fighter when Haye will fight for effectively free and let them keep 100% of the money?

How gullible are you? When a fighter says "I'll fight him for free" do you actually believe him? Saying and doing are 2 different things. Haye is just spitting nonsense to cover up the fact that he and his team are killing the fight. There is no way he would fight for just the UK TV money. It's hilarious to think that some people actually believe that fabrication of the truth.

UK TV money is big money. When Hatton fought PBF SKY had something like 2 million PPV's. Obviously that isn't expected of Haye yet but he still has a big enough fan base to make a good amount in britain.

Also he is ultra confident of beating Wlad and if he does he would become a big star overnight in the way Calzaghe did after Lacy. It would be a huge stepping stone!

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Originally Posted by ClubberLang

Oh, give me a break. Both Klitchko's would be happy to shut Haye's mouth for him, but business is business. Haye's demands are ridiculous given his current standing. He is basically unknown in the US, having only one main event fight on either HBO or Showime. Wlad, on the other hand, has been a featured fighter on HBO for years now. Even Haye's domestic appeal in the UK is questionable as his fight with Barrett barely drew 6000, whereas Wlad sells out in Germany regardless of the opponent. He clearly brings more economic muscle to the table, but Haye and his handler's refuse to be realistic businessmen. That is why the fight is having problems, period.

I agree. Busines is business. So why are the Klitschkos giving 25% of their next promotion to another fighter when Haye will fight for effectively free and let them keep 100% of the money?

How gullible are you? When a fighter says "I'll fight him for free" do you actually believe him? Saying and doing are 2 different things. Haye is just spitting nonsense to cover up the fact that he and his team are killing the fight. There is no way he would fight for just the UK TV money. It's hilarious to think that some people actually believe that fabrication of the truth.

UK TV money is big money. When Hatton fought PBF SKY had something like 2 million PPV's. Obviously that isn't expected of Haye yet but he still has a big enough fan base to make a good amount in britain.

Also he is ultra confident of beating Wlad and if he does he would become a big star overnight in the way Calzaghe did after Lacy. It would be a huge stepping stone!

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Originally Posted by ClubberLang

Oh, give me a break. Both Klitchko's would be happy to shut Haye's mouth for him, but business is business. Haye's demands are ridiculous given his current standing. He is basically unknown in the US, having only one main event fight on either HBO or Showime. Wlad, on the other hand, has been a featured fighter on HBO for years now. Even Haye's domestic appeal in the UK is questionable as his fight with Barrett barely drew 6000, whereas Wlad sells out in Germany regardless of the opponent. He clearly brings more economic muscle to the table, but Haye and his handler's refuse to be realistic businessmen. That is why the fight is having problems, period.

I agree. Busines is business. So why are the Klitschkos giving 25% of their next promotion to another fighter when Haye will fight for effectively free and let them keep 100% of the money?

How gullible are you? When a fighter says "I'll fight him for free" do you actually believe him? Saying and doing are 2 different things. Haye is just spitting nonsense to cover up the fact that he and his team are killing the fight. There is no way he would fight for just the UK TV money. It's hilarious to think that some people actually believe that fabrication of the truth.

UK TV money is big money. When Hatton fought PBF SKY had something like 2 million PPV's. Obviously that isn't expected of Haye yet but he still has a big enough fan base to make a good amount in britain.

Also he is ultra confident of beating Wlad and if he does he would become a big star overnight in the way Calzaghe did after Lacy. It would be a huge stepping stone!

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Originally Posted by ClubberLang

Oh, give me a break. Both Klitchko's would be happy to shut Haye's mouth for him, but business is business. Haye's demands are ridiculous given his current standing. He is basically unknown in the US, having only one main event fight on either HBO or Showime. Wlad, on the other hand, has been a featured fighter on HBO for years now. Even Haye's domestic appeal in the UK is questionable as his fight with Barrett barely drew 6000, whereas Wlad sells out in Germany regardless of the opponent. He clearly brings more economic muscle to the table, but Haye and his handler's refuse to be realistic businessmen. That is why the fight is having problems, period.

I agree. Busines is business. So why are the Klitschkos giving 25% of their next promotion to another fighter when Haye will fight for effectively free and let them keep 100% of the money?

How gullible are you? When a fighter says "I'll fight him for free" do you actually believe him? Saying and doing are 2 different things. Haye is just spitting nonsense to cover up the fact that he and his team are killing the fight. There is no way he would fight for just the UK TV money. It's hilarious to think that some people actually believe that fabrication of the truth.

UK TV money is big money. When Hatton fought PBF SKY had something like 2 million PPV's. Obviously that isn't expected of Haye yet but he still has a big enough fan base to make a good amount in britain.

Also he is ultra confident of beating Wlad and if he does he would become a big star overnight in the way Calzaghe did after Lacy. It would be a huge stepping stone!

Originally Posted by Violent Demise

Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Originally Posted by ClubberLang

Oh, give me a break. Both Klitchko's would be happy to shut Haye's mouth for him, but business is business. Haye's demands are ridiculous given his current standing. He is basically unknown in the US, having only one main event fight on either HBO or Showime. Wlad, on the other hand, has been a featured fighter on HBO for years now. Even Haye's domestic appeal in the UK is questionable as his fight with Barrett barely drew 6000, whereas Wlad sells out in Germany regardless of the opponent. He clearly brings more economic muscle to the table, but Haye and his handler's refuse to be realistic businessmen. That is why the fight is having problems, period.

I agree. Busines is business. So why are the Klitschkos giving 25% of their next promotion to another fighter when Haye will fight for effectively free and let them keep 100% of the money?

How gullible are you? When a fighter says "I'll fight him for free" do you actually believe him? Saying and doing are 2 different things. Haye is just spitting nonsense to cover up the fact that he and his team are killing the fight. There is no way he would fight for just the UK TV money. It's hilarious to think that some people actually believe that fabrication of the truth.

He isn't saying that he'll fight him for free. The fight is worth a lot of money to UK satellite broadcasters and it'd easily be Haye's biggest payday.

Haye is offering to go to Germany and earn Junior 20-25% more than he could expect for fighting anybody else. And Junior is bottling the fight.

Good on Haye!!Chase after that big turkey Haye,you'll catch him soon and you'll have him for dinner.No one wants to fight over the UK do there??I dont blame them like,this country does stink"i know that!"

Originally Posted by Kel

Originally Posted by Kirkland Laing

Originally Posted by Lyle

That is not what is going on oh insufferable one....Haye is in a position to take a title fight vs the best fighter in the division and he's going to bluff his way out of the fight and then blame Wlad for not accepting his ludicris demands

Haye is offering to fight in germany and not take a penny from the promotion other than British TV rights which would be negligible for a vlad vs. Arreola/similar fight. So he's offering to fight in Vlad's country for effectively nothing, agreed to two options after the fight, etc. The bottler Klitschko is instead negotiating with a fat domestic-level American to give him 20-25% of the same promotion. Fighting Haye would earn him 100% of the promotion, fighting an alternative around 80%. Why is he doing that?

How do you know all this mate?

Both Haye and Kilitschko's people have said that haye is ofering to fight in Germany for UK TV money only.

Here's haye's version :

Adam Booth exclusive | Setanta

and here's the pretend-Germans' version :

"They said they would just keep all of the English television rights," Boente said. "Why would we do that? If you think you'll keep all the money from English TV, what are you bringing to the table to get so much more than a mandatory challenger? They think they are bringing a superstar to the fight when he's fought [six] rounds in the heavyweight division.

But they also admitted in the same interview :
And also the deal with Haye has to be new because we gave him way more than even a mandatory challenger would get. A mandatory challenger would get 25 or 30 percent [of the money], but he was getting a lot more than that.

http://www.saddoboxing.com/boxingfor...suspended.html


So they'd have to pay the mandatory (Arreola or similar) 25 or 30% of the promotion if they don't fight haye. That promotion would be worth a nominal UK TV number as it doesn't feature a UK fighter. Haye fighting Vlad creates a UK TV market which pays a substantial sum, but that sum is only available to the promotion if Haye gets the fight. So the Klitschkos now face paying 25-30% of the promotion (without any UK TV money) to the challenger when they could have kept 100% of it by fighting Haye. Vlad is turning down at least a quarter of the value of his next fight so that he can avoid fighting Haye and fight somebody else instead.