Thread: Shame Roach didnt fight as well as he talks !

Fed up with listening to his brain drain bollocks on how he and Manny "WE" are gonna do this and that !
I'm especially pissed off with his high profile and how he's being touted as some sort of genius , he owns a big gym in Hollywood thats full everyday and that's it ! As soon as Manny gets beat and he isint flavour of the month he will fall back into obscurity .

Manny Paquio was a world champ before he went to Roach it's not like roach nursed him through the amatuers , he's very good at patting himself on the back whereas I bet there's a guy back in the Philipines that 1st taught Manny to throw a jab training kids in the same shithole for fuckall .

He's the latest Emmanuel steward a broken recod !

Great trainers dont get their face's on telly they work with kids in dingy shtholes and give up their time and often money for no reward , their are many trainers who have bought through numerous chamions but stay in the amatuers and keep their dignity rather than invite the TV into their homes for their latest soundbite and sob story .

All hail Freddie Roach saviour of Amir Khan .

Fuck that, he has always stated that its the fighter no the trainer that makes a fighter special, and he has made PAcquiao so much better than he once was, IMO Pacquiao without Roach would have never made it to the top of the sport, he wouldn't have gained any recognition and he was too poor technically to compete with guys like Barrera, but already by then Roach really changed Pacquiao, now he is not just the best fighter in the world, but can fight a technical fight with Barrera or Marquez and win.

Originally Posted by Big Dick Whittington

Fed up with listening to his brain drain bollocks on how he and Manny "WE" are gonna do this and that !
I'm especially pissed off with his high profile and how he's being touted as some sort of genius , he owns a big gym in Hollywood thats full everyday and that's it ! As soon as Manny gets beat and he isint flavour of the month he will fall back into obscurity .

Manny Paquio was a world champ before he went to Roach it's not like roach nursed him through the amatuers , he's very good at patting himself on the back whereas I bet there's a guy back in the Philipines that 1st taught Manny to throw a jab training kids in the same shithole for fuckall .

He's the latest Emmanuel steward a broken recod !

Great trainers dont get their face's on telly they work with kids in dingy shtholes and give up their time and often money for no reward , their are many trainers who have bought through numerous chamions but stay in the amatuers and keep their dignity rather than invite the TV into their homes for their latest soundbite and sob story .

All hail Freddie Roach saviour of Amir Khan .

Roach sure as hell trains fighters just as well as he talks, Manny isn't the only fighter who's career he has turned around, or have you forgotten what he did for James Toney? Roach revived Toney's career, helping him become Cruiserweight champion of the world by taking on one of the best Cruisers in the last decade in Vassily Jirov, although Toney wasn't as dedicated, Roach still got him to be a decent Heavy given the opposition he took on,
he's not that bad when he's worked with such fighters as

Manny Pacquiao
Bobby Pacquiao
Steve Collins
Virgil Hill
James Toney
Mike Tyson
Bernard Hopkins
Oscar De La Hoya
Michael Moorer
Frankie Liles (beat Michael Nunn)
Roman Karmazin
Wayne McCullough
Peter Manfredo Jr.
Dimitri Kirilov (former IBF Bantamweight champion)
Juan Carlos Gomez
Rey Bautista
Israel Vazquez
Marlon Starling
Brian Viloria
Amir Khan

even Lucia Rijker

I like the fact that Manny and Ricky have enough respect for each other, that they need their trainers to b**** with each other to hype the fight!

yeah there both great guys outside the ring. seem to like each other but when the bell rings its all about wuppin ass.and your right the trainers had to do the braggin for this one.

Just like any sport,there are trainer coach to think of strategies for the players.trainer coach thinks,players implement the plans.

just get to love freeddie doing great in his job.

Roach is one of the most level headed and reasonable trainers around. He's gotten a high profile from the last 2 of Manny's fights, but he's been highly regarded for several years now.

I have never seen him give bad advice in the corner, stop a fight way too soon or way too late. Overall, I really respect Roach.

Originally Posted by luvfightgame

Roach is one of the most level headed and reasonable trainers around. He's gotten a high profile from the last 2 of Manny's fights, but he's been highly regarded for several years now.

I have never seen him give bad advice in the corner, stop a fight way too soon or way too late. Overall, I really respect Roach.

i agree, i think it has a lot to do with the fact that he knows just how bad a fight can hurt someone, and the effects it can leave, there is no doubt that Roach has Parkinsons due to the way he would fight, and the fact that he didn't have someone like himself in his corner who cared enough to save him from himself, and avoid taking permanent damage, the way he stopped the Penalosa fight and the way he went about stopping it shows this clearly, he told Gerry hurt him this round or i'm stopping it the next round, Penalosa didn't come close to hurting him, he stopped it, Roach might talk crap sometimes, but he always gives a fighter his dues

I think Roach is pretty solid,really cannot understand much of his instructions as of late but using his own career and style of fighting as a measuring stick...he now certainly knows what not to do.

You can really say that about Papa Mayweather as well I suppose .Like a mouth full of marbles that one.

Originally Posted by Spicoli

I think Roach is pretty solid,really cannot understand much of his instructions as of late but using his own career and style of fighting as a measuring stick...he now certainly knows what not to do.

You can really say that about Papa Mayweather as well I suppose .Like a mouth full of marbles that one.

now i know where his marbles went..... both could be barely understood although one is caused by a disease and and one is a disease(poems and trash talking and calling yourself greatest of all time) on its own.

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Big Dick Whittington

Fed up with listening to his brain drain bollocks on how he and Manny "WE" are gonna do this and that !
I'm especially pissed off with his high profile and how he's being touted as some sort of genius , he owns a big gym in Hollywood thats full everyday and that's it ! As soon as Manny gets beat and he isint flavour of the month he will fall back into obscurity .

Manny Paquio was a world champ before he went to Roach it's not like roach nursed him through the amatuers , he's very good at patting himself on the back whereas I bet there's a guy back in the Philipines that 1st taught Manny to throw a jab training kids in the same shithole for fuckall .

He's the latest Emmanuel steward a broken recod !

Great trainers dont get their face's on telly they work with kids in dingy shtholes and give up their time and often money for no reward , their are many trainers who have bought through numerous chamions but stay in the amatuers and keep their dignity rather than invite the TV into their homes for their latest soundbite and sob story .

All hail Freddie Roach saviour of Amir Khan .

Roach sure as hell trains fighters just as well as he talks, Manny isn't the only fighter who's career he has turned around, or have you forgotten what he did for James Toney? Roach revived Toney's career, helping him become Cruiserweight champion of the world by taking on one of the best Cruisers in the last decade in Vassily Jirov, although Toney wasn't as dedicated, Roach still got him to be a decent Heavy given the opposition he took on,
he's not that bad when he's worked with such fighters as

Manny Pacquiao
Bobby Pacquiao
Steve Collins
Virgil Hill
James Toney
Mike Tyson
Bernard Hopkins
Oscar De La Hoya
Michael Moorer
Frankie Liles (beat Michael Nunn)
Roman Karmazin
Wayne McCullough
Peter Manfredo Jr.
Dimitri Kirilov (former IBF Bantamweight champion)
Juan Carlos Gomez
Rey Bautista
Israel Vazquez
Marlon Starling
Brian Viloria
Amir Khan

even Lucia Rijker

Roach also played a big part with Donaire's win against Darchinyan and Penalosa's 2nd world title.

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Big Dick Whittington

Fed up with listening to his brain drain bollocks on how he and Manny "WE" are gonna do this and that !
I'm especially pissed off with his high profile and how he's being touted as some sort of genius , he owns a big gym in Hollywood thats full everyday and that's it ! As soon as Manny gets beat and he isint flavour of the month he will fall back into obscurity .

Manny Paquio was a world champ before he went to Roach it's not like roach nursed him through the amatuers , he's very good at patting himself on the back whereas I bet there's a guy back in the Philipines that 1st taught Manny to throw a jab training kids in the same shithole for fuckall .

He's the latest Emmanuel steward a broken recod !

Great trainers dont get their face's on telly they work with kids in dingy shtholes and give up their time and often money for no reward , their are many trainers who have bought through numerous chamions but stay in the amatuers and keep their dignity rather than invite the TV into their homes for their latest soundbite and sob story .

All hail Freddie Roach saviour of Amir Khan .

Roach sure as hell trains fighters just as well as he talks, Manny isn't the only fighter who's career he has turned around, or have you forgotten what he did for James Toney? Roach revived Toney's career, helping him become Cruiserweight champion of the world by taking on one of the best Cruisers in the last decade in Vassily Jirov, although Toney wasn't as dedicated, Roach still got him to be a decent Heavy given the opposition he took on,
he's not that bad when he's worked with such fighters as

Manny Pacquiao
Bobby Pacquiao
Steve Collins
Virgil Hill
James Toney
Mike Tyson
Bernard Hopkins
Oscar De La Hoya
Michael Moorer
Frankie Liles (beat Michael Nunn)
Roman Karmazin
Wayne McCullough
Peter Manfredo Jr.
Dimitri Kirilov (former IBF Bantamweight champion)
Juan Carlos Gomez
Rey Bautista
Israel Vazquez
Marlon Starling
Brian Viloria
Amir Khan

even Lucia Rijker

Key words.

All were established. People can take that anyway they choose. Either he has respect in the game so people seek him out & all it takes is for someone to whisper the right words in someones ear.


why didn't Oscar stay with him?

Originally Posted by Howlin Mad Missy

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

Originally Posted by Big Dick Whittington

Fed up with listening to his brain drain bollocks on how he and Manny "WE" are gonna do this and that !
I'm especially pissed off with his high profile and how he's being touted as some sort of genius , he owns a big gym in Hollywood thats full everyday and that's it ! As soon as Manny gets beat and he isint flavour of the month he will fall back into obscurity .

Manny Paquio was a world champ before he went to Roach it's not like roach nursed him through the amatuers , he's very good at patting himself on the back whereas I bet there's a guy back in the Philipines that 1st taught Manny to throw a jab training kids in the same shithole for fuckall .

He's the latest Emmanuel steward a broken recod !

Great trainers dont get their face's on telly they work with kids in dingy shtholes and give up their time and often money for no reward , their are many trainers who have bought through numerous chamions but stay in the amatuers and keep their dignity rather than invite the TV into their homes for their latest soundbite and sob story .

All hail Freddie Roach saviour of Amir Khan .

Roach sure as hell trains fighters just as well as he talks, Manny isn't the only fighter who's career he has turned around, or have you forgotten what he did for James Toney? Roach revived Toney's career, helping him become Cruiserweight champion of the world by taking on one of the best Cruisers in the last decade in Vassily Jirov, although Toney wasn't as dedicated, Roach still got him to be a decent Heavy given the opposition he took on,
he's not that bad when he's worked with such fighters as

Manny Pacquiao
Bobby Pacquiao
Steve Collins
Virgil Hill
James Toney
Mike Tyson
Bernard Hopkins
Oscar De La Hoya
Michael Moorer
Frankie Liles (beat Michael Nunn)
Roman Karmazin
Wayne McCullough
Peter Manfredo Jr.
Dimitri Kirilov (former IBF Bantamweight champion)
Juan Carlos Gomez
Rey Bautista
Israel Vazquez
Marlon Starling
Brian Viloria
Amir Khan

even Lucia Rijker

Key words.

All were established. People can take that anyway they choose. Either he has respect in the game so people seek him out & all it takes is for someone to whisper the right words in someones ear.


why didn't Oscar stay with him?

who did Oscar go back to? oh right his previous trainer the man who had him since he beat the snot out of Arturo Gatti at welter, Floyd Mayweather Sr., just cause one fighter, who at the point that he hooked up with Roach didn't really matter cause Freddie at that point couldn't really teach him anything new

I have no idea why Freddie Roach (or any trainer) would piss anybody off this much

Manny's improved dramatically over the years, Freddie's got to have played some part.

Originally Posted by OumaFan

I have no idea why Freddie Roach (or any trainer) would piss anybody off this much

Manny's improved dramatically over the years, Freddie's got to have played some part.

exactly, and what he did with James Toney only further proves how good of a trainer he is