Thread: Who among the 147 champs you want PAC to possibly get his 7th division title?

I picked Berto. Would turn into a great fight and I would love to see Pac abuse Andre; though Andre is strong, fast and can box well. Defense is lacking though. Would go to the trenches in that one.

Too bad Paul Williams had to move up; I would of loved to see Pac fight him: David and Goliath

Originally Posted by LEGION

I picked Berto. Would turn into a great fight and I would love to see Pac abuse Andre; though Andre is strong, fast and can box well. Defense is lacking though. Would go to the trenches in that one.

Too bad Paul Williams had to move up; I would of loved to see Pac fight him: David and Goliath

I picked Berto too. Cuz somebody needs to expose his overrated a$s asap.

Well Sugar Ray Leonard was lineal champ in the 147 160 168 divsions could argue he was also in the 154 and 175 as well so guess him saddo.

Originally Posted by miles

Mosley and Cotto are the big two for me, so either of them. But it should be at 147 and no catch weights because that is the proper WW class IMO. If Manny wants to come in lighter then that's his calling.

Reason tells me that he loses to both, but logic seems to have gone out the window regarding Manny. So, I abstain from making any real judgments.

I don't see him asking for any catch weight deal. He already demolished Oscar at ww.

Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

Originally Posted by Fenster

Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

It's up for debate and as what the writer pointed out, the gap between PAC and JMM and the rest at 130 is so noticeable... Guzman? Valero? I think they're a notch below PAC and JMM...

BTW, who are the other boxers with 3 lineal titles aside from PAC?
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Don't know, tell me?

I also don't know... It's possible PAC the only boxer with 3 lineal titles... Yahoooo

Bob Fitsimmons held the lineal middleweight, heavyweight and light heavyweight titles, in that order. He won the middleweight title, moved up and won the heavyweight title and after losing it dropped down to win the light heavyweight title.

Henry Armstrong was featherweight, welterweight and lightweight champ in that order of winning the titles. He held all three at the same time.

There have been others but those are the ones most remember because Bob did it first and Henry was the only one to hold all three at same time.

Originally Posted by LuciferTheGreat

Originally Posted by miles

Mosley and Cotto are the big two for me, so either of them. But it should be at 147 and no catch weights because that is the proper WW class IMO. If Manny wants to come in lighter then that's his calling.

Reason tells me that he loses to both, but logic seems to have gone out the window regarding Manny. So, I abstain from making any real judgments.

I don't see him asking for any catch weight deal. He already demolished Oscar at ww.

PAC said he can fight anywhere from 135 to 147 (remember he's only 138 during the Hatton weigh-in and he didn't even do any dieting)... I reckon he go for 147 if it's Urango or Berto just to have a belt in line and ask for a catch weight if it's Cotto or Mosley... I don't want PAC to face Clottey...

I've also read Cotto is willing to go down to a catchweight in order to face PAC...
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Originally Posted by LuciferTheGreat

Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

Originally Posted by Fenster

Don't know, tell me?

I also don't know... It's possible PAC the only boxer with 3 lineal titles... Yahoooo

Bob Fitsimmons held the lineal middleweight, heavyweight and light heavyweight titles, in that order. He won the middleweight title, moved up and won the heavyweight title and after losing it dropped down to win the light heavyweight title.

Henry Armstrong was featherweight, welterweight and lightweight champ in that order of winning the titles. He held all three at the same time.

There have been others but those are the ones most remember because Bob did it first and Henry was the only one to hold all three at same time.

Thanks for the info... Is there any boxer holding 4 lineal titles?
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Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

Originally Posted by LuciferTheGreat

Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

I also don't know... It's possible PAC the only boxer with 3 lineal titles... Yahoooo

Bob Fitsimmons held the lineal middleweight, heavyweight and light heavyweight titles, in that order. He won the middleweight title, moved up and won the heavyweight title and after losing it dropped down to win the light heavyweight title.

Henry Armstrong was featherweight, welterweight and lightweight champ in that order of winning the titles. He held all three at the same time.

There have been others but those are the ones most remember because Bob did it first and Henry was the only one to hold all three at same time.

Thanks for the info... Is there any boxer holding 4 lineal titles?
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Just Pac.

SaddoBoxer it is a possiblilty that Sugar Ray Leonard did because i know he held the the lin for the 147,160 and also 168 division already. But the only thing i am not sure of but you could argue that he was the lineal champion for both the 154 and the 175 if anyone knows let me know.

Originally Posted by SaddoBoxer

Thanks for the info... Is there any boxer holding 4 lineal titles?
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Yes

Name : Emmanuel Dapidran Pacquiao

1st : 112 Title from Chatchai Sasakul ( KO8 )

2nd : 126 From Marco Antonio Barrera ( TKO11 )

3rd : 130 Against Juan Manuel Marquez ( JMM & PAC are #1 and #2 its also for RING title/WBC SD12 )

4th : 140 Againts Ricky Hatton ( KO2 )

Originally Posted by Mr140

SaddoBoxer it is a possiblilty that Sugar Ray Leonard did because i know he held the the lin for the 147,160 and also 168 division already. But the only thing i am not sure of but you could argue that he was the lineal champion for both the 154 and the 175 if anyone knows let me know.

This is what I got... Hope it answers your question...

The Title Reigns of Sugar Ray Leonard

World Welterweight – TKO15 Wilfred Benitez: Following his debut into national consciousness as a Gold Medal member of the legendary 1976 U.S. Olympic team, Leonard (36-3-1, 25 KO) began a rapid rise through the Welterweight ranks. Turned pro in February 1977, he would ratchet 25 wins without a loss and challenging the undefeated WBC champion Benitez before his career was three years old. Over fifteen fast paced rounds, the two prodigious young talents would take turns making each other miss, Leonard doing a better job in the making his man pay department. A flash third round knockdown off a jab set the tone of the bout, Leonard always just a baby step ahead. In the fifteenth, an arguably debatable stoppage was called as Leonard teed off in the closing seconds, referee Carlos Padilla perhaps caught up in a still growing aura. After one defense against Dave Green, Leonard would split two memorable, for wildly different reasons better discussed elsewhere, fights with Roberto Duran to lose and regain his throne. And, beyond doubt, it was the true throne in the class. The lineage for both of Leonard’s Welterweight crowns was the same as the lineage discussed for Duran earlier in this series (though discussed slightly in error previously; the line traced to Curtis Cokes and not Virgil Akins). In 1982, he would remove any doubt to the strength of his claim by stopping undefeated WBA champion Thomas Hearns in a classic.

Forecast: Clear, Lineal Claim to the World Title


World Junior Middleweight – TKO9 Ayub Kalule: Between regaining and the cementing his second Welterweight claim, Leonard made a brief sojourn up the scale for a showdown with undefeated WBA Jr. Middleweight champion Ayub Kalule, then undefeated in 36 contests. It turned into a tougher fight than many expected with the tough Ugandan-by-way-of Denmark holding his own for awhile. Eventually, fighting often at close quarters, Leonard would prove too much for Kalule, breaking him down in the ninth round to force the stoppage. Again, while only holding a single belt, there was little to dispute about the lineage of the title. Kalule descended in a straight line to the late 1960s undisputed reign of Freddie Little and, when Leonard chose to vacate, the lineage would go hazy until at least late into the run of Terry Norris.

Forecast: Clear, Lineal Claim to the World Title


World Middleweight – SD12 Marvin Hagler: The debates continue, unabated, over twenty years later. Two of the judges at ringside (Lou Filipo and Dave Moretti) scored either way at a reasonable 115-113, or seven rounds to five. The third judge, Jo Jo Guerra, turned in a 118-110 (10-2) score for Leonard so absurd as to remain one of the great black marks in Boxing history. The fight demanded a third rational score; without one, it has been left to the fans to make their own and that’s probably the fun of this legendary fight. No matter which way anyone scored or scores it, the official result stands and no one can argue Marvin Hagler, one of the best Middleweights of all time at the end of over six years as champion, was anything but the one, true Middleweight champion on Earth even if he’d been, by fight time, stripped down to just his WBC belt.

Forecast: Clear, Lineal Claim to the World Title


WBC Super Middleweight/WBC Light Heavyweight – TKO9 Donny Lalonde: This is where the razzle-dazzle comes into play. Three days after Hearns snatched the WBO crown at 168 lbs. to mark his fifth divisional title, Leonard entered this odd affair on November 7, 1988 against WBC Light Heavyweight titlist Lalonde. Somehow, this was also made for the new WBC crown at 168 and given the payday at hand, Lalonde agreed to come in below 170 lbs. for the first time since 1986. After a strong start which included a knockdown, Lalonde faded as Leonard found a series of showstopping shots to down Lalonde in the ninth. Let’s be serious though. The lineage at 168, as previously discussed in looking at Roy Jones, belonged to Chong-Pal Park. One fight later, he would be worked over for a ‘draw’ even Leonard will admit these days was a loss in a unification tilt with Hearns. Furthermore, while not a bad fighter, Lalonde was at least a step down from fellow 175 lb. titlists Charles Williams (IBF) and Virgil Hill (WBA); probably more like two steps to be fair. Leonard won a pair of belts on this night. There is no need to make more it than that.

Forecast: Hazy, real hazy, on both counts


Having never tried, Leonard fell short of being able to claim the four lineal World titles, though Leonard would have to have been favored had he gone after Park rather than picking up a vacant strap versus Lalonde. Favored, of course, is not the same as winning an actual fight and so he falls short of that accomplishment.

The easiest guy on the list is Berto especially considering how many shots he took against the southpaw Collazo

Originally Posted by Majesty

The easiest guy on the list is Berto especially considering how many shots he took against the southpaw Collazo

Correct

Originally Posted by ASIAN SENSATION

Originally Posted by Majesty

The easiest guy on the list is Berto especially considering how many shots he took against the southpaw Collazo

Correct

Berto vs. Urango for WBC 147 title on May 30... I agree, either of these 2 is the easiest fight for PAC to get his record 7th division title and will be the only boxer to do so...

Hope Arum can make this fight, PAC vs. winner of Berto/Urango...

Not to take anything away from the fighters of today because it isn't their rules but you can't compare this era of divisional titles to the old school fighters. Winning a belt in many divisions is nothing nowadays. There used to be only 8 weight classes and only 1 to 3 belts. Now you have more than double that many weight classes and a ridiculous amount of belts in each weight classes. This why you have so many fights not getting made because there are too many divisions and belts. Its easier to avoid and bring the business part of boxing running matchmaking. Most matches that should get made don't get made. It use to be almost a given the match would get made. Another thing about Pac is that the younger you start as a pro the better chance you'll grow into and past other divisions. At 16, he was just a boy and now he is 30 and in a full primed man's body. I only fought as an amateur but when I was 16 I won state Golden Gloves and boxed at 106 and by the time I quit boxing at the age of 30 I had boxed at and won tournaments at 106, 112, 119, 125, 132, 139, and 147. The weight classes are different now in the amateurs but I am not too big on myself winning in many divisions because I know I basically started before I was full grown and I stayed in the amateurs until my body was done developing as a prime man. Its not like I or any other boxers are weighing 10 pounds less than the weight class were are challenging at. Now there are always guys who are a bit bigger and smaller than the norm in each division but there is nothing magical here we fight at these weight classes because we are weighing at or around those weights. I am just pointing out the other side to why it is easy for boxers of this day to win more accolades and of course if you grow up in the pro ranks you'll be even more apt to grow into more divisions.