Thread: Marvin Hagler resume

I wanted to know about Haglers less known opponents (apart from Hearns, Leonard and Duran) and if they were the best around then. Were there more deserving opponents and was it a strong or weak middleweight era he domniated? How does his resume compare to the other 3 kings?

It was alright, I think like the division Hopkins dominated it was underrated, and he cleared out the middleweight division like Hopkins did before facing DUran and Leonard.

Hagler had a workman like resume....it wasn't flashy because 160 wasn't a flashy division until the likes of Hearns, Duran, and Leonard showed up. I think outside of the Hearns win, and destroying Minter the way he did, Hagler's biggest win was vs John Mugabi who was "the next big thing"...Mugabi was supposed to be the Jermain Taylor to Hagler's Bernard Hopkins but turned out to be the Jeff Lacy to Hagler's Joe Calzaghe.....and Marvin just worked him over round after round. Mugabi didn't have any quit in him in that fight, he just got the door slammed on him by a great fighter.

I think he beat Ray Leonard too....I don't have as much respect for Ray as I do Marvin, Ray was all flash and Marvin was all business, that bush league Ali didn't have the balls to FIGHT Marvin, he would run and then flurry at the end of each round....bullshit!

I think his resume was on a similar level, only Leonard's is better in the sense of that he beat all the other 'kings'.

Most importanly he beat guys like Obelmeijas, Roldan & Mugabi who would continue to have good careers even after he would dismantle them, as well as top-class guys like Minter & Antofuermo who were at least similar to the level of the current champs. This is in addition to the wins over Duran & Hearns & the fight with Leonard with probably the most debated decision in boxing history.

Would have been great to have seen him fight Monzon in his prime.

I don't think their records were that similar, Leonard faced Benitez, Hearns both in their prime division, and DUran was still a monster at welterweight. Hearns and him were still amazing moving up, but not quite the same way, they power carried well, but it wasn't as devastating as it was at WW.

Originally Posted by Taeth

It was alright, I think like the division Hopkins dominated it was underrated, and he cleared out the middleweight division like Hopkins did before facing DUran and Leonard.

Hopkins era underrrated? Nah, it was just very poor. Take a look at who he fought at Middleweight it's a horrible list

Hagler's resume includes:

Hamsho
Antufuermo
Mugabi
Hearns
Leonard
Duran
Roldan

That's a good list

The problem with comparing resumes are the not so well known guys early on in the records. Nowadays when a touted talent's career is built the opponents (while steadily increasing in ability) are always expected to lose. Marvin had it real tough on the way up and had many 50/50 fights while still learning his trade. Much more participants in the sport back then, and getting past the tier just below world class was much harder than nowadays.

Bennie Briscoe was past his best, but he was still a pretty good fighter. Vito was decent, two. Most of his defenses were against #1 contenders. It was an era off good, not great, MW's and he handled most of them like an ATG handles fighters of that level - he dominated them.

I just watched Duran against Hagler and found it a wide points win for Hagler. 12-3 rounds. Judges had it a one point fight. Your thoughts?

i'd say that the middleweight division had better opposition when Hagler was champ than when Hopkins was champ, IMO though they're pretty even when it comes to terms of greatness, but to me at least, the last time that the middleweight division seemed pretty stacked was in the late 80's to mid 90's, there were loads of talent

Originally Posted by gest12645

I just watched Duran against Hagler and found it a wide points win for Hagler. 12-3 rounds. Judges had it a one point fight. Your thoughts?

the fact that Duran, a natural lightweight, went 15 rnds with an ATG in Hagler, who was the naturally bigger man, is an accomplishment in itself

i know that, just pointing out that the judges were really off.

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

i'd say that the middleweight division had better opposition when Hagler was champ than when Hopkins was champ, IMO though they're pretty even when it comes to terms of greatness, but to me at least, the last time that the middleweight division seemed pretty stacked was in the late 80's to mid 90's, there were loads of talent

No, it not too far off, at least during Hopkins reign at MW. IMHO, Hopkins has made much of his legacy since losing his MW championship with dominate wins over Tarver and Pavlik, a clear win against Winky, and a debatable loss to Calzaghe. Guys like Obelmejias, Antuefermo, Hamsho, and Mugabi are at least as good as Joppy, Eastman, Vanderpool, and Echols. Prime Eastman and Vanderpool are probably a bit underrated, but so is Hamsho and Fully Obel. I think Hagler's win over Duran is better than Hopkins win over ODLH. I would consider Hagler's win over Hearns and B-Hop's win over Tito to be on a similar level.

Originally Posted by RozzySean

Originally Posted by ElTerribleMorales

i'd say that the middleweight division had better opposition when Hagler was champ than when Hopkins was champ, IMO though they're pretty even when it comes to terms of greatness, but to me at least, the last time that the middleweight division seemed pretty stacked was in the late 80's to mid 90's, there were loads of talent

No, it not too far off, at least during Hopkins reign at MW. IMHO, Hopkins has made much of his legacy since losing his MW championship with dominate wins over Tarver and Pavlik, a clear win against Winky, and a debatable loss to Calzaghe. Guys like Obelmejias, Antuefermo, Hamsho, and Mugabi are at least as good as Joppy, Eastman, Vanderpool, and Echols. Prime Eastman and Vanderpool are probably a bit underrated, but so is Hamsho and Fully Obel. I think Hagler's win over Duran is better than Hopkins win over ODLH. I would consider Hagler's win over Hearns and B-Hop's win over Tito to be on a similar level.

I disagree with your last comment, Thomas Hearns achieved alot above Middleweight. Where as Felix Trinidad didn't and he looked a bit out of his depth at Middleweight aswell IMO. Beating Thomas Hearns is a much better achievement.