Originally Posted by JazMerkin

As a Floyd fan, I obviously rate him very highly, however, the Gatti win is basically his 'David Diaz' & there's no denying that, it was not a great win.

I've always rated Castillo highly, he's one of those Mexicans who decided to straight into the pros & bar the losses that have come as he has fought past his prime, I think he is a HoFer, not a first ballot, but I think he's worthy. His record would also look different if he didn't cut so easy early in his career.

Corrales I think is a great, although Pac, MAB & Morales come close, I don't think there's another fighter who's been in so many exciting fights, & the weight-drained thing was crap, he weighed in like 10lbs more than Floyd on fight night.

Baldomir was a poor titlist, but the fact was he was the Proper Welterweight champion & whilst he's no great, I'm not sure he is a million miles much worse than some of the guys who've been P4P worthy in recent years (well Margarito & Hatton), but still he is no more than a C-level fighter

Agreed on Zab, he never failed to falter when in the super-fights & the Mayweather fight was no exception although I never get the 'Zab was winning the first 6 rounds' stuff I hear, usually from new posters or those with a Floyd-hate-fetish.

His best stuff was always at 130 though, his wins over Hernandez, Chavez & Manfredy are possibly his finest wins for me.

Anyway, like you say, you can do it for any fighter if you have the agenda, although I find it funny that people seem to love doing it with Floyd & Manny who are the 2 finest fighters of this generation. If they're crap, what does that say about boxing as a sport??

With out meaning to, you've probably pointed out something that a lot of people are thinking:

This sport has BIG problems.

Originally Posted by itouchpinoy

Originally Posted by XaduBoxer

PAC's lineal titles and multi-division titles are solid proofs of his great accomplishment in boxing. He is the only boxer who holds 4 lineal titles and the 2nd boxer to get titles in 6 divisions behind Dela Hoya. PAC still has a big chance of getting his 5th lineal title and 7th division title in the welterweight division (147 lbs.) since he is still in his prime. PAC not only defeating the former champions in the division but beating them badly or by knocking them out. For me it's a very impressive accomplishment.

PAC's lineal titles and division titles:

*RING Light Welterweight (140 lbs.) - LINEAL TITLE, KO'ed Ricky Hatton cold in the 2nd.

*WBC Lightweight (135 lbs.) - KO'ed David Diaz in the 9th.

*RING Super Featherweight (130 lbs.) - LINEAL TITLE, Split decision win over Juan Manuel Marquez.

*RING Featherweight (126 lbs.) - LINEAL TITLE, KO'ed Marco Antonio Barrera in the 11th.

*IBF Super Bantamweight (122 lbs.) - KO'ed Lehlohonolo Ledwaba in the 6th.

*WBC Flyweight (112 lbs.) - LINEAL TITLE, KO'ed Chatchai Sasakul in the 8th.

I agree to you... The people who say the Pacquiao is not great is called an "IDIOT" or don't know boxing.

Pacquiao is going for his 7th division title and maybe 5th lineal title. Why? Miguel Cotto just beat Shane Mosley.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAgxZ6yrNq0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1ci655jbcI

He is the greatest what? His career still has time before he can be called the greatest of all time, right now he is the best P4P but that can change with one fight....
I think you are throwing the word "Greatest" around a bit too freely.....

You do realize that you have the trailer park of Sig's?

Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Originally Posted by itouchpinoy

Originally Posted by XaduBoxer

PAC's lineal titles and multi-division titles are solid proofs of his great accomplishment in boxing. He is the only boxer who holds 4 lineal titles and the 2nd boxer to get titles in 6 divisions behind Dela Hoya. PAC still has a big chance of getting his 5th lineal title and 7th division title in the welterweight division (147 lbs.) since he is still in his prime. PAC not only defeating the former champions in the division but beating them badly or by knocking them out. For me it's a very impressive accomplishment.

PAC's lineal titles and division titles:

*RING Light Welterweight (140 lbs.) - LINEAL TITLE, KO'ed Ricky Hatton cold in the 2nd.

*WBC Lightweight (135 lbs.) - KO'ed David Diaz in the 9th.

*RING Super Featherweight (130 lbs.) - LINEAL TITLE, Split decision win over Juan Manuel Marquez.

*RING Featherweight (126 lbs.) - LINEAL TITLE, KO'ed Marco Antonio Barrera in the 11th.

*IBF Super Bantamweight (122 lbs.) - KO'ed Lehlohonolo Ledwaba in the 6th.

*WBC Flyweight (112 lbs.) - LINEAL TITLE, KO'ed Chatchai Sasakul in the 8th.

I agree to you... The people who say the Pacquiao is not great is called an "IDIOT" or don't know boxing.

Pacquiao is going for his 7th division title and maybe 5th lineal title. Why? Miguel Cotto just beat Shane Mosley.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAgxZ6yrNq0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1ci655jbcI

He is the greatest what? His career still has time before he can be called the greatest of all time, right now he is the best P4P but that can change with one fight....
I think you are throwing the word "Greatest" around a bit too freely.....

You do realize that you have the trailer park of Sig's?

He just called him great bro not the greatest.

Originally Posted by ICB

Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Originally Posted by itouchpinoy

I agree to you... The people who say the Pacquiao is not great is called an "IDIOT" or don't know boxing.

Pacquiao is going for his 7th division title and maybe 5th lineal title. Why? Miguel Cotto just beat Shane Mosley.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAgxZ6yrNq0http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1ci655jbcI

He is the greatest what? His career still has time before he can be called the greatest of all time, right now he is the best P4P but that can change with one fight....
I think you are throwing the word "Greatest" around a bit too freely.....

You do realize that you have the trailer park of Sig's?

He just called him great bro not the greatest.

He thinks Pacquiao is the greatest thing since porn on the web....He would eat cereal out of Manny's dirty Jock if allowed almost every post he has ever made is about how great Manny is.....

Don't defend a nut hugger ICB you make yourself look bad rgardless if he said great or greatest

Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Originally Posted by ICB

Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

He is the greatest what? His career still has time before he can be called the greatest of all time, right now he is the best P4P but that can change with one fight....
I think you are throwing the word "Greatest" around a bit too freely.....

You do realize that you have the trailer park of Sig's?

He just called him great bro not the greatest.

He thinks Pacquiao is the greatest thing since porn on the web....He would eat cereal out of Manny's dirty Jock if allowed almost every post he has ever made is about how great Manny is.....

Don't defend a nut hugger ICB you make yourself look bad rgardless if he said great or greatest

LOL. I thought all the while that nut hugging is a good thing.

Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Originally Posted by ICB

Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

He is the greatest what? His career still has time before he can be called the greatest of all time, right now he is the best P4P but that can change with one fight....
I think you are throwing the word "Greatest" around a bit too freely.....

You do realize that you have the trailer park of Sig's?

He just called him great bro not the greatest.

He thinks Pacquiao is the greatest thing since porn on the web....He would eat cereal out of Manny's dirty Jock if allowed almost every post he has ever made is about how great Manny is.....

Don't defend a nut hugger ICB you make yourself look bad rgardless if he said great or greatest

LOL don't know the guy never seen him post, just thought you'd made a genuine mistake no hard feelings mate

Originally Posted by ICB

Originally Posted by DaxxKahn

Originally Posted by ICB

He just called him great bro not the greatest.

He thinks Pacquiao is the greatest thing since porn on the web....He would eat cereal out of Manny's dirty Jock if allowed almost every post he has ever made is about how great Manny is.....

Don't defend a nut hugger ICB you make yourself look bad rgardless if he said great or greatest

LOL don't know the guy never seen him post, just thought you'd made a genuine mistake no hard feelings mate

Hard feelings? no way ICB you know I respect your posting around here....

Actually I did misread the original post but he is still a nuthugger